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bigjoshman
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want to give psychedelics another chance
#21464356 - 03/27/15 07:07 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I want to give psychedelics another chance but should I? It's been over 3 months since I had a terrible trip on 4 strong tabs of lsd. I probably shouldn't feel that I want to give it another go but I really do. But just 1 or 2 at most. I have been coming to peace with my trip slowly over smoking some weed and listening to songs or cues that bring me back to the bad trip. I wrote about it in a post if anyone was interested in reading what exactly I went through. I may need to trip alone for the first time since my girlfriend probably would be upset with me. Maybe not though I might ease the idea to her. I miss the psychedelic experience just not the manic panic that was that 4 tab trip that honestly was in a terrible set and setting.. I'm thinking about taking 1 tab and chilling in the forest one day perhaps once Spring/summer comes... Should I switch to a different psychedelic like shrooms or stick to what I know to ease back into it? Btw I've missed all of you guys on the shroomery so much
Edited by bigjoshman (03/27/15 07:08 AM)
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21464374 - 03/27/15 07:17 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry to ask, but was that your first trip? If so, you probably just took too much.
Even if it wasn't your first trip, just ease off on how much you take, most psychs IME are pretty mellow especially at lower doses, the higher doses are what take you on what could be an uncontrollable ride.
I'd say try it again at a much lower dose, like one tab and see how it goes, just try not to think about last time when you do it.
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Yea I thought that 2 hits was the perfect dose 3 felt like too much so I'm not sure why I decided to do 4 but live and learn. I was trying to seek some of the crazy things I heard from other people who trip.. but if it's at the risk of that insanity I think I'm good with 1 or 2 tabs =p at least until I can lock myself in my own house someday and remove any dangers around the house
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21464708 - 03/27/15 09:19 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's impossible to say OP. It depends if you are going back merely hoping that this time you will spin the wheel and have a 'good' trip or if you are going back fully prepared to face up to what made you so afraid the last time.
After you've had your first bad trip that experience will be there with you to some extent in all of the trips that follow forever afterwards. I will never again be able to trip in the same fearless and carefree manner as I did when I was younger, and although this is obviously a bummer I am at least now far better equipped to navigate stormy waters and avoid potential breakdowns. I am also far more careful and responsible and know full well the dangers of treating psychedelics and my own mind with nonchalant disrespect.
My advice is to try one of the teacher plants Aya or Anahuasca as these will really teach you how to surrender and 'let go' better than something like LSD which is actually a much more difficult lesson to learn than it seems.
These concoctions are both much better to help you learn this lesson than LSD not simply because of the entities you will encounter but more so I think because Aya or Anahuasca is just not something that could be considered fun or recreational and so every time you consciously choose to take it you must do so accepting beforehand that itโs going to be challenging scary and difficult. This in my opinion is how all psychedelics should be treated.
You're not going to do Anahuasca -an experience that is basically suffering- then without some kind of worthwhile intention and so eventually you should have a much better attitude, reason and respect for using psychedelics. The vast majority of people donโt get far with 'fun' as their main goal and intention and everybody but fearless freaks have something to fear and face up to in their own subconscious and it will all manifest eventually. Either you are willing to face up to this, and take the rough with the smooth or forget psychedelics.
It's only really after your fist truly bad trip that the serious hard work has to begin. It canโt be all fun and games because the traumatic experience and life and death questions that were confronted in the previous trip must again be confronted and worked through if you are to have any hope of continuing to use psychedelics.
I guarantee you can have good trips again. My own worst trip was a psychotic hospitalization so if I can get back to enjoying them anybody can but honestly get serious and get an intention. Might seem like hippy bullshit but trust me itโs not!
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: wolf8312]
#21464802 - 03/27/15 09:44 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was taken to the hospital but I calmed down once I was there.
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21464828 - 03/27/15 09:49 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I've learned that I need to seek happiness by myself not that I don't love my girlfriend more than anything. But I also need to enjoy life regardless and I also have a fear of life being fake from the trip
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21464878 - 03/27/15 10:10 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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dEfinitely go with one to one and a half tab AT MOST.
I think i remember reading your report, but a link to it would be great to read again.
And 3 months is a good break. I would say you are ready for COMMON dose trip.
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21465083 - 03/27/15 11:19 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice to see you're still around man!one of my favorite posters. Here's a link if anyone wants to read up on what happened. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21073396#21073396
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21465090 - 03/27/15 11:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Should I try shrooms for the first time instead? I liked being in control at least in 1-3 hit doses of lsd. But I don't miss that feel like shit day after lsd
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21465095 - 03/27/15 11:23 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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bigjoshman said: I was taken to the hospital but I calmed down once I was there.
Hospitalization?
Don't rush back into it too soon you need to analyze what happened carefully before going back.
4 months is too soon IMO for such a traumatic experience and in all probability you have very little understanding of what went wrong.
I would wait at least a year you need to get a better understanding of what happened as if your trip was anything like mine the traumatic details will have been repressed. This is no joke if you needed medical intervention as this is indicative that something seriously went wrong. Could be very dangerous if you don't get to the bottom of this before rushing back into it.
You mind if I ask what caused the bad trip?
Was it a psychotic/delusional experience and what was the extent of the trauma?
I would take a guess that you wrongly believed you were going to die right?
Did you blank out and do you find it difficult to remember large parts of the experience?
Did you smoke cannabis?
What is your reason for wanting to return to the experience?
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Edited by wolf8312 (03/27/15 11:34 AM)
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: wolf8312]
#21465121 - 03/27/15 11:33 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah just read that report dude. Yeah I would think again to be honest was a psychotic break that could have killed you, and could quite easily be repeated if you don't understand where it came from.
I would recommend a year or two of self reflection before you even consider taking them again. It's a matter of life and death dude be careful!
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: wolf8312]
#21465158 - 03/27/15 11:47 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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you're probably right, but I feel like I need to trip to be at peace with it. Not anywhere near as strong of a dose though. I've had a strong flashback occur during sex believe it or not after taking some weed mint spray. My girlfriend comforted me. But I followed this up with using weed to help me reflect from my experience and I think that has helped a lot. also I'll probably get benzos or whatever drug it is that brings a trip to a halt
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21465261 - 03/27/15 12:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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why not buy 4 tabs, eat ONE FOURTH OF ONE TAB, and then if that is way too mild you can figure out where you *want* to be, lsd is a great great thing but it all depends on the dose of each hit. my last trip was 2 mild hits, it was nice, not as deep as some of the dxm doses i go on.
and yes why not do some cactus that's a great idea! i hope you practice meditation each day that is one of the keys to psychedelic success.
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21465304 - 03/27/15 12:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just cannot for the life of me but wonder why someone would not only TAKE 4 hits of acid, but then be surprised that they would have a bummer. WTF. What you youth like???
When I took LSD when 15 you never heard of people taking more than one tablet (it was mostly in tablet form then)
I mean what is the POINT of doing that? To me it is some kind of silly macho shit
I admit I dropped two blotters of acid years ago but only because I was on holiday in the amazing place and had assumed the first one was having no effect. But WO---i think I dropped two!
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: leery11]
#21465306 - 03/27/15 12:26 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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leery11 said: why not buy 4 tabs, eat ONE FOURTH OF ONE TAB, and then if that is way too mild you can figure out where you *want* to be, lsd is a great great thing but it all depends on the dose of each hit. my last trip was 2 mild hits, it was nice, not as deep as some of the dxm doses i go on.
and yes why not do some cactus that's a great idea! i hope you practice meditation each day that is one of the keys to psychedelic success.
I agree with this, after thinking about it enough especially with what already happened to you, the best advice I could give is.....for you to decide what's best. I know that sounds very unhelpful but you know you better then any of us can, if you're afraid you can't handle it, it's probably not the best idea. But if you think you can and are sure it was just because it was too much, then you should try on a very light dose, like a 1/4 or half a tab, the chances of something going real wrong on that dose is probably low and could make you feel comfortable with it again.
Think of it like going swimming in a pool, instead of diving head first into the deep end, dip your toes in the water to gauge the temperature.
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: leery11]
#21465504 - 03/27/15 12:55 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't meditate often honestly not sure where to begin I just listened to binaural beats to get me started and got some out of that for sure. I think I may need to trip alone for the first time. This might not make sense given my experience last time but I need time to my thoughts so I can take this on
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: zzripz]
#21465517 - 03/27/15 12:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with you.
When i took my first hit of acid, i couldnt imagine taking anymore. I mean,z the potency, the POWER, the intensity of that one single hit was almost too much for me to handle. Taking any more would be scary as hell for a first timer like me.
I think people just get cocky and think "how bad could it be?".
And to you bigjoshman (OP), shrooms are a good choice too, in the 1-2 Gram range. I think youre always safer with shrooms.
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21465539 - 03/27/15 01:06 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I've gone up 1 tab just about every trip my best trips were at 2 tabs though. 3 was a talk with God that left me drained. 4 was the feeling of true insanity. It's weird but in a strange way I don't regret taking 4 because now I know what insanity feels like. I felt the TRUE power of the drug. I honestly always doubted people when they said these crazy things happened until they happened to me and then it all made sense. Set and setting is EXTREMELY important. Also it always takes me 3-4 hours to hit my peak on drugs whether its weed edibles lsd. Or probably shrooms. I'm interested in trying shrooms chaos. But I've heard bad trips are more likely with shrooms also that you aren't in control? Or is that only high doses.
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21465544 - 03/27/15 01:08 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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4-6 hours sounds much better to me than 12-16 given that it takes so long to digest for my slow metabolism? Though I have lost about 40-50 pounds since the trip happened. Went from a drug lover to an insane workout guy hahaha
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Re: want to give psychedelics another chance [Re: bigjoshman]
#21465547 - 03/27/15 01:08 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edibles still take 4 hours for peak though
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