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Drumdude27
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Babies and electronics
#21451056 - 03/24/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Despite the fact that I am a nerd and that I love technology, I hate it when I see parents give their cell phones or tablets to kids/infants. Instead of parenting, they just distract kids with LEDs and moving pictures on a screen. The younger the child is, the more it bothers me. I feel like it is detrimental to their development. The early years are the most vital when it comes to development; socially, cognitively, etc. What do you guys think? If you think it is unhealthy for the children, what effet do you think that will have on society in the future?
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: Drumdude27] 2
#21451062 - 03/24/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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society is fucked
theres gonna be a breaking point. who knows when tho
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: Bassfreak] 2
#21451112 - 03/24/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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The earlier you get them hooked, the more money you can get out of 'em and the more control you have over the way that they think.
But as long as I don't have to deal with my little brat and I can get my shopping done on-line, that makes it OK, right?
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: Dilsnique]
#21451132 - 03/24/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm with you OP I see them at the home dePot where I work and its like wtf, and whatnot, and then some.
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: leery11] 1
#21451217 - 03/24/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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You are obviously not parents.
Throwing out your shitty opinion on the Internet of how a kid should be raised and actually raising a child are two very different things.
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: leery11] 3
#21451222 - 03/24/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I actually think that tablets can be pretty great for kids in terms of development. Firstly, technology seems to be here to stay. The more intuitive the functionality of technology is to a kid, the more adept they will be in dealing with the modern world where technology is inundated into nearly every aspect of life. From the educational system to the workplace to leisure time. Since when has one skill set been able to apply to so much of life?
Secondly, touch screen features create an interactive environment that can change on the fly. A kid isn't limited to putting a square block into a square hole anymore. They might play a shape game for a time then shift over to making music on a digital keyboard all interactive by touch. Maybe they want to finger paint but now there is no need for paint or clean-up!
I personally learned most all of my early math skills (addition, subtraction, multiplication, prime numbers, etc.) from computer games 20+ years ago. By the time it came up in a classroom setting I was dominating my peers. But now not just early adopters have that advantage. Educational technology is mainstream, easy to find, abundant, and with the flux of money actually has some serious development going behind it.
Of course this isn't to say that horrible uses don't exist as well. A child needs some structuring or guidance with any electronic device. I know many would put the onus on to a corporation to do that work for them and some do like Amazon which has a kid friendly version of their devices or Leapfrog which is only compatible with educational software. But it makes more sense to me to have a parent who can incorporate technology into their parenting style.
For some parents this is a dismissive gesture. Here, take this and get out of my hair. But for others it is an opportunity to engage with the child for skills that are already exceedingly relevant and will be even more so in the near future.
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: grower182]
#21451281 - 03/24/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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grower182 said: You are obviously not parents.
Throwing out your shitty opinion on the Internet of how a kid should be raised and actually raising a child are two very different things.
I've raised 2 kids and they are damned good, God fearing, device addicted, brainwashed citizens that pledge their allegiance to the corporate interests....er,...um.....United Stated of America!
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: grower182] 2
#21451286 - 03/24/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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grower182 said: You are obviously not parents.
Throwing out your shitty opinion on the Internet of how a kid should be raised and actually raising a child are two very different things.
Sounds like someone struck a nerve 
I've been raising kids since I was a kid. Just tossing a smartphone in front of 'em so you can have some "you time" is fucking pathetic.
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I am soooo glad my kids are grown and don't have to put up with this sewage.
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My baby bro got an ipad mini for christmas and he's only 2 years old. He learned how to go on youtube and watch videos and whenever I see him using that thing I just pick him up and take him somewhere else away from it. Who the fuck gives a 2 year old an ipad mini?
If I had a kid, he would have gotten a tower of hanoi set and anyone who gives him a piece of technology is getting hidden or sold. If he wants video games, he's getting a nintendo 64
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: I've been raising kids since I was a kid. Just tossing a smartphone in front of 'em so you can have some "you time" is fucking pathetic.
Why is that "fucking pathetic"?
My kid is like 50 days old, so I haven't reached many points yet in this instance, but I can only imagine how stressful it is dealing with kids.
I don't see the harm in having them play an educational game for 30 minutes while you do dishes or take a phone call or whatever...
It seems to me that one would be the best parent when they're not stressed to the max..and if it takes a small break in time to get your bearings back in order, I don't see the harm.
That's not to say that one should be raised always on a device, but I don't see it so black and white like these posts suggest
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: Kickle] 2
#21451352 - 03/24/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I actually think that tablets can be pretty great for kids in terms of development. Firstly, technology seems to be here to stay. The more intuitive the functionality of technology is to a kid, the more adept they will be in dealing with the modern world where technology is inundated into nearly every aspect of life. From the educational system to the workplace to leisure time. Since when has one skill set been able to apply to so much of life?
Secondly, touch screen features create an interactive environment that can change on the fly. A kid isn't limited to putting a square block into a square hole anymore. They might play a shape game for a time then shift over to making music on a digital keyboard all interactive by touch. Maybe they want to finger paint but now there is no need for paint or clean-up!
I personally learned most all of my early math skills (addition, subtraction, multiplication, prime numbers, etc.) from computer games 20+ years ago. By the time it came up in a classroom setting I was dominating my peers. But now not just early adopters have that advantage. Educational technology is mainstream, easy to find, abundant, and with the flux of money actually has some serious development going behind it.
Of course this isn't to say that horrible uses don't exist as well. A child needs some structuring or guidance with any electronic device. I know many would put the onus on to a corporation to do that work for them and some do like Amazon which has a kid friendly version of their devices or Leapfrog which is only compatible with educational software. But it makes more sense to me to have a parent who can incorporate technology into their parenting style.
For some parents this is a dismissive gesture. Here, take this and get out of my hair. But for others it is an opportunity to engage with the child for skills that are already exceedingly relevant and will be even more so in the near future.
This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter, just laid out there much more eloquently than I ever could've.
Quality fucking post! 
I have a 5 year old 'very special needs' (read: retarded) niece and she has an Ipad or whatever the big tablet thing is. She has these tailored educational games she uses and uses it to "speak" to my sister... So, I think a lot of these posts are kind of off the mark
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: shLong]
#21451361 - 03/24/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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shLong said:
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: I've been raising kids since I was a kid. Just tossing a smartphone in front of 'em so you can have some "you time" is fucking pathetic.
Why is that "fucking pathetic"?
My kid is like 50 days old, so I haven't reached many points yet in this instance, but I can only imagine how stressful it is dealing with kids.
I don't see the harm in having them play an educational game for 30 minutes while you do dishes or take a phone call or whatever...
It seems to me that one would be the best parent when they're not stressed to the max..and if it takes a small break in time to get your bearings back in order, I don't see the harm.
That's not to say that one should be raised always on a device, but I don't see it so black and white like these posts suggest
You could always, you know, let them use their imagination.
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shLong



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sit there and think you mean?
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shLong



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How is doodling with crayons and doodling with MSpaint (or similar program) any different?
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: shLong] 2
#21451426 - 03/24/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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(sorry, triple post, I'm scatter-brained at the moment )
I'm all about not having your kids parked in front of the TV or computer all day and actually doing hands-on parenting, but dismissing electronics with one broad stroke, I feel, is really off the mark.
Like Kickle alluded to, incorporating it in to their learning and your parenting, if done right, can be extra beneficial to you and them.
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: shLong] 4
#21451428 - 03/24/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well it's an age old story that the old ways are the right ways. Humans tend to romanticize the past.
It may also be that healthy uses of education are less frequently displayed in public. I mean, who teaches their kid using a tablet in a home depot? But someone might try to keep their kid quiet in a home depot by using one. So if a posters only exposure is from seeing that type of usage in a home depot, it will naturally skew their view.
I feel lucky because much of my early experience of technology was helpful in my education. But technology has this way of outpacing us and I think that can be a potential pitfall. A child can quickly know more about a technology than the parent. And then it becomes hard to manage.
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: Kickle]
#21451450 - 03/24/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have zero experience with this topic (yet) besides watching my niece use her tablet, but I can fully see me teaching geography and state capitals (for instance) using Google maps, instead of going out and buying a globe...
Using math programs along side flash cards to really get the most bang for our time together...
If done correctly, I really don't see the harm...quite the contrary, I see many many benefits to it
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: shLong] 2
#21451459 - 03/24/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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shLong said: I have zero experience with this topic (yet) besides watching my niece use her tablet, but I can fully see me teaching geography and state capitals (for instance) using Google maps, instead of going out and buying a globe...
Using math programs along side flash cards to really get the most bang for our time together...
If done correctly, I really don't see the harm...quite the contrary, I see many many benefits to it
Or.. Or...
You can buy a globe so they can experience spinning it
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Re: Babies and electronics [Re: shLong]
#21451461 - 03/24/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never seen a perfect tool for any job. But I can't fathom not using technology in parenting in the modern age.
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