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Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness?
    #2145110 - 11/29/03 08:23 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The more heads to count the more minds to enlighten. I think it's highly likely that this shift is occuring because our population has been able to maintain itself with the increase in numbers we are having. I also think one of the main fears that some people have is where it will lead us. Will we be able to come together as an earth society. Or will it all fall back down.

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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Droz]
    #2145115 - 11/29/03 08:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

er.. what shift?


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Droz]
    #2145118 - 11/29/03 08:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Just about anything has pros and cons...

Higher population definitely has it's downsides, but upsides as well...

Higher Collective Consciousness can indeed be a positive side to it.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2145124 - 11/29/03 08:29 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

what does "higher collective consciousness" mean and how do I know it's there?


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2145139 - 11/29/03 08:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It's a concept. I'm not sure what others views about it are. But I think it's when people focus on the same things. When a large group of people, say focus on building a spirituality forum. They come together as one to get something completed. Just one short perspective of it.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Droz]
    #2145144 - 11/29/03 08:37 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

so thats like...say...religion. Wow, sounds like the same thing humans have been doing since the dawn of time.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Positronius]
    #2145147 - 11/29/03 08:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yes.. what's new about this? And why is it "higher"?


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2145149 - 11/29/03 08:40 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Collective Consciousness is a term that someone else related to me when there was a discussion on IRC chat about Hyper Spheres...and he showed me an image of what a hyper-sphere looked like through a link, and in case you don't know, a hypersphere is in relation to the space-time dimension theory and how it folds back in onto itself, thus creating many dimensions, or something along those lines. Dont quote me on it. Anyway I saw the image, and I noticed it looked strikingly similar to a peice of computer-generated art that my gf made through a rendering program, and as well as another piece of art that I've seen from other places. So I mentioned the similarity, and his theory was that it was "collective consciousness". In other words, how could my gf know what a hypersphere looks like if she never even saw one, (which she hadn't, until I talked to her about it and showed her), and his proposed answer was collective consciousness. Mind you, it IS a theory, but one I have no qualms subscribing to, as it can explain quite a few of lifes little "mysteries". Such as seeming to possess knowledge that "Came from nowhere", and so on.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2145154 - 11/29/03 08:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

hmm.. sounds like coincidence to me.

The more people there are on the planet thinking thoughts the more likely a group of people will be thinking the same thought at the same time. Not too mysterious..


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2145168 - 11/29/03 08:48 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, alot of humans across the globe invented swords independantly from one another, is this collective consciousness, and if so, what is its relevance? it seems pretty normal, except you guys are putting a new-age twist on it.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Positronius]
    #2145235 - 11/29/03 09:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i always took the collective consios to be a "place" where all consiosness comes together as one.

someone asked me if I had seem the sid visious video for my way, and i instantly knew what it looked like, it felt as though id pulled this information from somewhere. although it turns out id seen it:)
but it felt as though i was taking this information from someone expierencing the video.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2145239 - 11/29/03 09:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

or who had expierienced it should say


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Droz]
    #2145914 - 11/30/03 05:35 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

A higher population may not lead to a higher consciousness, it could just be that there are more people reacting to the environment: it doesn't seem far fetched that two similar minds would, when posed with a problem, come to the same conclusions.

Look at it this way.  You have a huge room with a vase sitting in the center and one bowling ball rolling around.  It will eventually hit the vase but it may take a long time.  Now if there are thousands of of bowling balls in the room, chances are more than one ball will hit the vase at the same time.  It's not evidence of a higher conciousness, just simply that when multiple subjects are put in a similar (limited) environment, they are bound experience (or create) similar situations.

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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: TheDude]
    #2146044 - 11/30/03 07:22 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It's higher to me and me only, because I am young.. and experiencing it for myself is a bit different then just reading about it. So i like to discuss it. Sorry. What I was trying also to get at is the flood of information we are reading on the internet. I'm thinking either these ideas are coming from the brains of our newborn children or they are coming from the more experienced ones. Whichever way the road travels, it's always a road.



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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Droz]
    #2146536 - 11/30/03 02:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness?




I think the exact opposite is the case.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2146888 - 11/30/03 04:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I definelty see your point. :smile:


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2148402 - 12/01/03 03:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

werd.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Droz]
    #2148517 - 12/01/03 04:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Droz said:
The more heads to count the more minds to enlighten. I think it's highly likely that this shift is occuring because our population has been able to maintain itself with the increase in numbers we are having. I also think one of the main fears that some people have is where it will lead us. Will we be able to come together as an earth society. Or will it all fall back down.

Just some thoughts.
Droz




I think for this to be true, we have to first prove that there's a shift any different from natural evolution. Being that we're concious beings, to say that we've evolved to the last of our renditions is in my opinion, quite ignorant. I think that most of us can agree that the human race will continue for a time to come, provided no mass disaster ensues to wipe out the entire planet, (which I'll admit, is a possibility). Being that we're concious of ourselves and our surroundings, don't you think it somewhat simplistic to think we won't notice change in ourselves? If... no wait... when change occurs, I'm sure people will start to notice, and things may prove beyond anyones imagination... or they may not, but revolution has been witnessed time and time again throughout recorded history, and what it all boils down to is one collective will challenge the collective in powers ideas which will result in conflict, however destructive.
It's all just ideas (which spawn actions) resulting in a new way of dealing with your individual situation.

You can project positive or negative, but it's all just one massive reaction simulator - we're just lucky enough to observe.


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: Positronius]
    #2148526 - 12/01/03 04:29 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, alot of humans across the globe invented swords independantly from one another, is this collective consciousness, and if so, what is its relevance? it seems pretty normal, except you guys are putting a new-age twist on it.




There is a beginning to everything - how popular that beginning is is the variable... If you're pooring something to drink and you realise that you can shut the fridge at the same time you put the water container back, therefor making it more efficient and ultimately giving you more time to concentrate on other things, one might consider this common sense, but a some point someone was the first person to have this thought, and then someone else realised this, then someone else... Is it possible that there's one pool of knowledge stored somewhere universally accessable to all? I would think this pool of knowledge would be the strive to survive... Is it possible we all are able to tap into this ability unknowingly at our own different level based on our intentions?

I dunno.. it's all pretty crazy to me....


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Re: Higher Population leads to Higher Conciousness? [Re: nubious]
    #2148537 - 12/01/03 04:45 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

this pool of knowledge would contradict the human ability to reason. When a person figures out how to pour a drink and close the fridge at the same time, they arent tapping into a mystical pool of knowledge, the are using logic, reasoning and deduction based on their prior experiences.

the bow and arrow.

=how do we kill this animal? well, we could throw a rock at it, but thats too slow, well, lets try throwing a stick at it, but thats to blunt, well, lets sharpen the end of the stick! that works, but its still a little to slow and a little hard to aim....hmmmmmm.

Do you think the human who first came up with the bow and arrow "tapped into the pool of knowledge" or did he analyze the situation and relate it to past experiences?

to me, it seems that information, the mental matter that fuels everything humans do have evolved just as we have, from a single-celled organism into spaceships, breakdancing and porno flicks. As we progress, information progesses....progress comes about organically, not mystically.


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