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At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities?
    #21444733 - 03/22/15 08:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Hear me out here.

If it's true that we live in a world where evil and insanity are rewarded with wealth and power, eventually it becomes undeniable that we are living in a tyrannical system.

I have always believed that tyranny is the fault of the people for allowing it, as they always have the numbers and real power to remove it should they so choose.

They don't, and usually submit, for the reason that they have been brainwashed and abused into submission, like most of the rest of us.

If you have seen through all this, at what point does it become justifiable to retalitate? At what point does one pick up a gun, and shoot a politician, or a psychiatrist?


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: viktor]
    #21444789 - 03/22/15 09:05 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

First of all, I think that's a stupid way to think, and where do you draw the line between yourself and them?  If you take up arms, how are you any different?  Like you'll be able to institute something better?

Some people are of the opinion that as soon as you resort to violence, you're no better than they are.  You've sunk to their level, they've won and you've lost.  Gandhi and King were two of them.

On top of all that

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At what point does one pick up a gun, and shoot a politician, or a psychiatrist?




they have all the weapons, man.  You wouldn't have a chance, and would wind up in prison.  Big fucking deal.

What kind of nonsense is this, anyway?  I usually like your posts.  I don't think the interim has been constructive for you.


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21444808 - 03/22/15 09:13 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Some people are of the opinion that as soon as you resort to violence, you're no better than they are.




I agree. Please note that I'm not advocating violence here. I'm just asking, at what point does institutional abuse demand that the victims send a message that they're not going to take it any more?


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: viktor]
    #21444827 - 03/22/15 09:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

That is a line that each individual must set for themselves.  I think that its justifiable as long as it gets me what I want and I can live with it.

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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: DieCommie]
    #21444829 - 03/22/15 09:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: viktor] * 1
    #21444835 - 03/22/15 09:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Ah, that makes a lot more sense.  Honestly, I think it would have to vary and be specific to every different situation.  It's an extremely complex question.

However I would say that in most societies in history in which the punishments began to outweigh the rewards, in terms of economics primarily, shit started to fall apart rather swiftly.  I think that's the essence of it, from the perspective of the powerful:  as long as perceived benefits outweigh perceived costs, or punishments, there will be stabilty, generally.  When that's flipped, all bets are off.  Violence has happened over and over.

Honestly though, I can't say at what point it should be prescribed.  I don't know if it's possible really to answer that, without a lot of complex qualifications.


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21444873 - 03/22/15 09:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

this country is founded in over-throwing the authorities.

if your civil liberties are being violated you should maybe start publishing public letters and forming a base.

throw some tea in a harbor...

and then get violent.

i'd skip the aboriginal genocide this time tho.


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: rxb]
    #21449669 - 03/24/15 01:26 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I read posts like this and am overcome with the cynical reaction, "WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT!?".

I'm probably a bit jaded and certainly a bit tipsy but: I'm to the point now where I don't even worry with the logistics and happenings of the bigger world out there... I focus on my immediate environment, make the best of it and encourage others to do the same. Taken far enough, though, this POV has the potential to be destructive... especially if droves and droves of people were to take it on. A world full of people who didn't give a fuck if the Earth burned to shit or not probably wouldn't help matters much.

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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: el8tch]
    #21449728 - 03/24/15 02:10 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov
never seek out violence, it will come readily enough on its own.
HowEver never allow yourself to be oppressed use all available means to protect and defend your liberties. Vote, advocate, run for office and donate to your politican. Hold them accountable through social media and use the system so many have already died to put in place.
What system would rise out of our ashes? No we must change but not through killing. besides who would you kill? Just march on capital hill? Only with a bong and a ballet I say. rather than a bomb and bullet.


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: rxb]
    #21450176 - 03/24/15 08:25 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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this country is founded in over-throwing the authorities.




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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: viktor]
    #21451733 - 03/24/15 03:12 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

"A bong and a ballot rather than a bomb and a bullet"
And that is precisely why things have not changed but for the worse lol.

Seriously though...
"Violence", or more specifically killing, is an integral part of all life on this planet, yet somehow we humans like to imagine we are somehow exempt from all that.  That if we just love hard enough then we are doing our best.  So needless to say the (human) predators are well fed.

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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #21451784 - 03/24/15 03:22 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

If all is one violence is never acceptible and karma is the ultimate judge. I have had some spiritual telepathic experiences and shared dreams with barack Obama, the GOP are america's nazi cabal, he is a good man that will restore a lot of freedoms at a certain point, the propaganda against him is quite childish... however he is a double agent, so he has done things that would appear alarming to some, the universe is very big and he has the protection of benevolent extra-terrestrial factions, this is why the Jimmy Kimmel Area 51 bit with Barack was eastablished, and barack mentioned that "they" don't want us to know about that.... setting the stage.

So really, if you live by the sword you die by it, killing isn't okay... but I did have a dream I created the world with a girl, and I grew very powerful with om namah shivaya, but the tyranny of gangster bankster wall street style capiitalism a blood red kept building towers, and I finally had to direct my people to war against it do away with pure evil. Who knows.

I do not see violence as useful or good.


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: leery11]
    #21451984 - 03/24/15 04:03 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

So if killing is not okay then I guess every animal who eats other animals is doing something "wrong".  Your opinion of the usefulness of violence doesn't matter much if violence is being used against you.

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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: leery11]
    #21451992 - 03/24/15 04:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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If all is one violence is never acceptible and karma is the ultimate judge. I have had some spiritual telepathic experiences and shared dreams with barack Obama, the GOP are america's nazi cabal, he is a good man that will restore a lot of freedoms at a certain point, the propaganda against him is quite childish... however he is a double agent, so he has done things that would appear alarming to some, the universe is very big and he has the protection of benevolent extra-terrestrial factions, this is why the Jimmy Kimmel Area 51 bit with Barack was eastablished, and barack mentioned that "they" don't want us to know about that.... setting the stage.

So really, if you live by the sword you die by it, killing isn't okay... but I did have a dream I created the world with a girl, and I grew very powerful with om namah shivaya, but the tyranny of gangster bankster wall street style capiitalism a blood red kept building towers, and I finally had to direct my people to war against it do away with pure evil. Who knows.

I do not see violence as useful or good.




:mindblown:

Uhhhhhhhhh... I'm really trying to follow this but..........

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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: el8tch]
    #21452738 - 03/24/15 07:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

if its a choice between oppression and violence i choose violence.


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: viktor]
    #21454186 - 03/25/15 03:39 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Hear me out here.

If it's true that we live in a world where evil and insanity are rewarded with wealth and power, eventually it becomes undeniable that we are living in a tyrannical system.

I have always believed that tyranny is the fault of the people for allowing it, as they always have the numbers and real power to remove it should they so choose.

They don't, and usually submit, for the reason that they have been brainwashed and abused into submission, like most of the rest of us.

If you have seen through all this, at what point does it become justifiable to retalitate? At what point does one pick up a gun, and shoot a politician, or a psychiatrist?





Great question! Last week I eat 10 magic mushrooms and watched a film called Stonewall (will embed it below. Try and watch it, preferably with a micro--or whatever you wanna call it--dose of psychedelic). Was all about the riots that happened in NYC in the 60s between the authorities and the LGBT community, though of course they didn't use that abbreviation then). You see how they were constantly sadistically humiliated, beaten up, by the police, jailed etc, and just had to lead miserable lives, and then ONE DAY they retaliated, and then things did change. They weren't gonna take no shit no more. ALSO being gay was classed by the shrinks as being a 'mental illness'. So it is VERY clear how the 'mental health movement', police, and the whole legal system, and media, work hand in hand

So I see it that when we fight back because of injustice this is NOT the same as organized war. The latter is devised BY the authorities. They cause it via various means like divide and control, false flags, debt, etc etc. But to fight back against the authorities is different. But you have to know who the real enemy is to do it in a radical way

it happened in Iceland. There was no killing but the people stood together and protested the corruption of the bankers and WON


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: rxb]
    #21454277 - 03/25/15 04:45 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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if its a choice between oppression and violence i choose violence.



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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: Hobozen]
    #21454475 - 03/25/15 06:40 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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rxb said:
if its a choice between oppression and violence i choose violence.







Why do I want to put on Village People Macho Man when I read that?

Oh yeah, because it's BULLSHIT?

The whole system is oppression.  Inflation that drives up stocks and houses with taxes on "capital gains" when really it was merely a weaker dollar made by The Fed whose job it supposedly was to control inflation.  Yeah they control it, at our expense.  What's the solution to that oppression?  Violence?


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21454586 - 03/25/15 07:34 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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blankk said:
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rxb said:
if its a choice between oppression and violence i choose violence.







Why do I want to put on Village People Macho Man when I read that?

Oh yeah, because it's BULLSHIT?

The whole system is oppression.  Inflation that drives up stocks and houses with taxes on "capital gains" when really it was merely a weaker dollar made by The Fed whose job it supposedly was to control inflation.  Yeah they control it, at our expense.  What's the solution to that oppression?  Violence?




so hostile.... im really not being hostile. the violence in furgison has caused change. the violence in the mid 1700s caused change. and im not out there firing shoulder launched missles aimlessly...

but the authorities are armed to the teeth and using violence. and its creeping your way. there comes a point when you have to choose to lie down and get chained or push back, ... metaphorically or litterally.

everything is good in moderation.

if this government continues to be oppressive... it must change.

"uh, we view each other uh, with uh, a great love and a great understanding
and that we
try to expand this to the general, uh, black population and also people,
oppressed people all over the world, and, i think that uh, we differ from
uhmm... uh, some other groups simply because we understand the system better
than uh, most uh, groups understand the system, and uh, with this
realization, uh, we attempt to form a strong political base based in the
community with the only strength that we have and that's the strength of uh,
a potentially destructive force if we don't get freedom." - huey p newton


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Re: At what point does it become justifiable to start killing the authorities? [Re: rxb]
    #21454713 - 03/25/15 08:27 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I started reading this article once and was pissed off I cannot find it again. it was saying what I kinda know but it is good when you hear others articulate what you feel. it was saying that the authorities have been busy accumulating LOTS of oppressive shit to further threaten people

In most peoples lifetimes they know that police now have the power to electrocute people. I have seen videos where they have done this with people who were no threat, including people classed 'mentally ill', women, a young man who was jogging nude (ohh BIG crime). I started collecting videos of this crime BY the cops. They also got those fukin trucks that have audio that hurts peoples ears, and also microwave weapons to disperse any protest of the injustice of this evil system> They spray people with that toxic shit like idiots spray inescts.
Most people here will have either been in protests or seen videos of what they do now. it is like Judge Dread. So they are strutting about with all this accumulated weaponry, AND using CCTV all over to watch our moves, but freak if THEY get filmed.

I aint seen this video yet, but tyhe other day I saw a recelty uploaded video, the title was that they are now soon gonna be using 'smart CCTV' which can 'predict when violence will occur'!!!--meaning the possibility they will 'pre-arrest' you...? they already do with this with many people of colour. Stopping, harrasing them AND killing them AND getting away with murder

And these cops protect a globalizing oppressive culture which is exploiting MILLIONS, all species and the whole natural earth all life depends on including the generations to come. So yeah, things are quite fukin serious!

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