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InvisibleXlea321
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Scott Ritter predicts the future
    #2143725 - 11/29/03 04:01 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Scott Ritter said this on March 7 2000. Wonder how he could be so right and the "intelligence" services so wrong?

Think we're being lied to maybe?

What was Iraq hiding? Documentation primarily - documents that would enable them to reconstitute - at a future date - weapons of mass destruction capability....But all of this is useless...unless Iraq has access to the tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars required to rebuild the industrial infrastructure (necessary) to build these weapons. They didn't have it in 1998. They don't have it today. This paranoia about what Iraq is doing now that there aren't weapons inspectors reflects a lack of understanding of the reality in Iraq.

"Now after seven years of work by UNSCOM inspectors, there was no more (mass destruction) weapons program. It had been eliminated....When I say eliminated I'm talking about facilities destroyed....

"The weapons stock had been, by and large, accounted for - removed, destroyed or rendered harmless. Means of production had been eliminated, in terms of the factories that can produce this...."There were some areas that we didn't have full accounting for. And this is what plagued UNSCOM.

Security Council 687 is an absolute resolution. It requires that Iraq be disarmed 100 percent. It's what they call 'quantitative disarmament.' Iraq will not be found in compliance until it has been disarmed to a 100 percent level. That's the standard set forth by the Security Council and as implementors of the Security Council resolution, the weapons inspectors had no latitude to seek to do anything less than that - 80 percent was not acceptable; 90 percent was not acceptable; only 100 percent was acceptable.

"And this was the Achilles tendon, so to speak, of UNSCOM. Because by the time 1997 came around, Iraq had been qualitatively disarmed. On any meaningful benchmark - in terms of defining Iraq's weapons of mass destruction on capability; in terms of assessing whether or not Iraq posed a threat, not only to its immediate neighbors, but the region and the world as a whole - Iraq had been eliminated as such a threat....



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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2143831 - 11/29/03 07:28 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I know this is slightly off on a tangent, but I had some friends over last week and we were watching an old Bill Hicks video from about 10 years ago. He got to his bit on the first gulf war and one of my friends said "Jesus, it's like nothing fucking changed in 10 years. He might as well be talking about this war." His comments on Bush, and the 'elite' Republican Guard etc... they were so spot-on it was just uncanny.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Edame]
    #2143982 - 11/29/03 11:09 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Tens of millions of dollars to produce WMD's? Hardly. A bioreactor can be purchased for less than 20,000$ today, and that can be used to spawn tons of virulent weapons. Fermentation tanks are used to produce bacteria. I'd say that members of the shroomery, via agar work, would have enough intelligence to produce "WMD's", given a small amount of equipment and a bit of time. I wonder where that link came from, hatebush.com?


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2144546 - 11/29/03 03:58 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Tens of millions of dollars to produce WMD's?

Minimum.

I'd say that members of the shroomery, via agar work, would have enough intelligence to produce "WMD's",

And as usual you'd be talking out of your fanny. An agar dish is not going to cause mass destruction.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2144597 - 11/29/03 04:21 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

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Tens of millions of dollars to produce WMD's?

Minimum.




Bullshit.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2144804 - 11/29/03 06:04 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I'll bet most members of The Shroomery have more chemicals in their backyard sheds than what we found in Iraq.




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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Learyfan]
    #2144888 - 11/29/03 06:39 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Since we may never know how much, if any chemicals are in Iraq, that's just a guess.

And a weak one at that.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2145725 - 11/30/03 03:42 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

You seem too dense to grasp this but it really does bear repeating. A chemical is not a WMD by itself. Running at New York with a beakerful of a chemical is not going to cause mass destruction. You need enormous heavy industry to build long range ballistic missiles.

Incidentally, as the american expert on chemical and biological weapons said in the article I posted several times - the only real WMD are nuclear weapons.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2146034 - 11/30/03 07:17 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I grasp it quite well. Far better than you it seems. Weapons can be delivered in other manners and you know it.


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Incidentally, as the american expert on chemical and biological weapons said in the article I posted several times - the only real WMD are nuclear weapons.



Well as the links I've posted from your much ballyhooed U.N. have shown, they disagree. Tell then they're wrong and they'll be laughing at you just as hard as many here do.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2146101 - 11/30/03 08:12 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Weapons can be delivered in other manners and you know it.

Of course they can. You could run at me with a beakerful of anthrax if you like. That would still not qualify as a WMD.

Well as the links I've posted from your much ballyhooed U.N. have shown, they disagree

As a recent poster pointed out, it really is time you changed your name to luvdemlies.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2146128 - 11/30/03 08:30 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

There's only one of us that lies Alpo. We both know it's you.

Here's a cut and paste for you from an earlier thread on this very subject.....




Treaties banning the production and stockpiling of other weapons of mass destruction will also be highlighted. Those include the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction (Biological Weapons Convention); and the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on Their Destruction (Chemical Weapons Convention).



From the section titled "Committee Work Programme"





So not only are you a liar, but you're lame enough to try and call others liars who, sadly for you, have the ability to back up what they say.

Truly pathetic.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2146154 - 11/30/03 09:21 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

And in the words of your idol, the alleged pedophile Scott Ritter....

"Let's talk about the weapons. In 1991, did Iraq have a viable weapons of mass destruction capability? You're darn right they did. They had a massive chemical weapons program. They had a giant biological weapons program. They had long-range ballistic missiles and they had a nuclear weapons program that was about six months away from having a viable weapon. "

From your link in this thread Alpo. Funny you didn't think to paste that here as well.

I wonder why?

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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2146215 - 11/30/03 10:41 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

sadly for you, have the ability to back up what they say

Could you point out where that defines a weapon of mass destruction as nothing but a chemical luvdemlies? Are you so dense as to believe a chemical in a test-tube with no means of delivering it constitutes a WMD?

And in the words of your idol, the alleged pedophile Scott Ritter....

No idol of mine. I merely state the fact that he was right and your idol Bush was wrong.

Obviously you are unable to address this fact and have to fall back on personal attacks about Ritter. Nothing ever changes does it luv?  :smile2:

I wonder why?

Because it is now 2003 not 1991. We all know he had chemical weapons in the 80's - he was using them with the full support of Washington remember. 


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2146227 - 11/30/03 10:58 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Sure Alpo, I wouldn't have thought in to be necessary but I guess your even dumber than I thought.





Treaties banning the production and stockpiling of other weapons of mass destruction will also be highlighted. Those include the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological ( Biological ) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction ( Biological Weapons Convention ); and the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on Their Destruction ( Chemical Weapons Convention ).





It can't be any plainer numbnuts, the UN, the group you value so highly, calls weapons besides nukes Weapons Of Mass Destruction.

Even your buddy Ritter calls them that.





"Let's talk about the weapons. In 1991, did Iraq have a viable weapons of mass destruction capability? You're darn right they did. They had a massive chemical weapons program. They had a giant biological weapons program. They had long-range ballistic missiles and they had a nuclear weapons program that was about six months away from having a viable weapon. "





So Alpo, for once be a man and admit you were wrong. It doesn't hurt.


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Are you denying Ritter was wrong in stating Iraqs WMD capabilities were no longer a threat? Your dishonesty is breathtaking.



I've never said they were Alpo. What I have said is the inability to find something is not proof it doesn't exist.

So before accusing someone of being dishonest, try being honest yourself. Sad that it's so difficult for you to do. I'd have nothing to say if you were merely wrong, everyone is occasionally.I can even forget stupidity from you, it's the lies that stand out. And as long as you keep lying, I'll keep pointing out what a worthless ass you are.

A person is only as good as he is truthful. Sadly, that leaves you in the shitter.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2146231 - 11/30/03 11:00 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

Nothing ever changes does it luv?



Sure it does Alpo, after all your post changed without it being marked as edited.

And I made no attacks, hence the word "alleged".


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2146234 - 11/30/03 11:04 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Don't cave in that quick luv, I was just getting interested  :lol:

It can't be any plainer numbnuts

Lets hope a mod calls you on this blatant flaming.

It can't be any plainer numbnuts, the UN, the group you value so highly, calls weapons besides nukes Weapons Of Mass Destruction.

Nope, it refers to "weapons" not "a chemical in a test tube with no means of delivery". Are you really too dense to understand the difference?

I repeat, please point out where that paragraph you posted states a WMD consists of nothing but a chemical in a test-tube.

Even your buddy Ritter calls them that

Nope, learn to read. He refers to "WEAPONS" not "a chemical in a test tube with no means of delivery".

Odd you missed this on your trawl through the archives too...

Brian Jones, the MoD's former assistant director, intelligence, with responsibility for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, gave possibly the most significant evidence to date on the dossier.

The very title of it, Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction, was for the first time called into question. Dr Jones said although the phrase applied to nuclear bombs, many biological and chemical weapons would "struggle to fit in that category". He said many biological weapons were designed to incapacitate rather than kill; they were lethal mainly in enclosed spaces, such as in the nerve gas attack on the Tokyo underground in 1995. Chemical weapons were even more difficult because they would need to be produced in large quantities to have any effect in battle, Dr Jones said.

Given that the phrase "weapons of mass destruction" came fully into the public consciousness last autumn as a result of the dossier, his evidence was startling. Mr Blair, Alastair Campbell and most ministers, frequently used the term, and its WMD initials, as a shorthand for what they saw as an unwieldy "nuclear, chemical and biological weapons". It also conjured up the spectre of horrifying attacks launched by Saddam Hussein. Yet here was the Government's most senior official dealing with such issues saying the term was inaccurate. Asked whether he felt there was a difference between missiles and artillery shells with chemical warheads, Dr Jones replied: "I think I would struggle to describe either as a true weapon of mass destruction." 

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post1879809


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2146243 - 11/30/03 11:13 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I saw it oh dishonest one, it doesn't change the fact that all are considered WMD's by the many. It doesn't change the fact that most definitions I have seen decribe them like this.....

weapon of mass destruction
Noun 1. weapon of mass destruction - a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel (nuclear and chemical and biological weapons)
W.M.D., WMD
bioarm, biological weapon, bioweapon - any weapon usable in biological warfare; "they feared use of the smallpox virus as a bioweapon"
chemical weapon - chemical substances that can be delivered using munitions and dispersal devices to cause death or severe harm to people and animals and plants
nuclear weapon - a weapon of mass destruction whose explosive power derives from a nuclear reaction
weapon, weapon system, arm - any instrument or instrumentality used in fighting or hunting; "he was licensed to carry a weapon"
armed forces, armed services, military, military machine, war machine - the military forces of a nation; "their military is the largest in the region"; "the military machine is the same one we faced in 1991 but now it is weaker"
high explosive - a powerful chemical explosive that produces gas at a very high rate

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Or the dozens on this page...
Definitions of WMD



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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2146249 - 11/30/03 11:17 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

But as I keep pointing out, those all refer to WEAPONS.

A chemical warhead in a long range ballistic missile (although most experts would disagree with this) could at a stretch be considered a WMD. There is however no way a chemical in a test tube with no means of delivery can be considered a WMD.

Do you understand the difference or will I need to repeat this again?


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: Xlea321]
    #2146255 - 11/30/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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There is however no way a chemical in a test tube with no means of delivery can be considered a WMD.



Point out where I said a test tube of chemicals is one.


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Re: Scott Ritter predicts the future [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2146360 - 11/30/03 12:39 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

So what exactly are you arguing about?


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