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Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use
    #21410533 - 03/15/15 08:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

SHROOM EXPERTS PLEASE READ AND ADVISE---hey people we need help. Daughter who is 23 took Mescaline based XTC Friday night. Yesterday morning she came over and woke us up with psychotic paranoid ramblings. As day went on and drug wore off--the paranoia was eased but hallucinations continued. She woke up this morning and I'm thinking the drug should be out of her system but she is still not making any sense. Severe break from reality.  Not unhappy, she is still smiling and sometimes seems to understand that what she is talking about in her head is not real,,,then she will go back to describing things like they are reality when they clearly are not.  Do we need to take her to the hospital?  Really unclear if this is going to pass or if she is never coming down from this trip.

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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: BR1]
    #21410559 - 03/15/15 09:10 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I really wouldn't be too worried, but I haven't seen her acting in person or know the legitimacy of the ecstasy. I would personally have her drink alot of water and exercise.(mainly to sweat out, burn things stored in fatty cells) Get her some system cleaner shit if you can. Also I'm not saying avoid food, but try and make sure meals are super balanced because some vitamins help prolong the psychedelic experience. Get her system as clean as possible, but you know the experience could have just changed her life in a different way.:shrug: If it continues I doubt it's hppd, but you can never rule it out.(HPPD is a classified disorder for a reason)


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: MrHappyGoats]
    #21411055 - 03/15/15 11:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well it wouldn't worry me so much if she was making any sense at all. But continued babbling about not just visual hallucinations but situations and experiences that clearly did not and are not happening - and sometimes she seems to understand and separate reality from these fantasies (for lack of a better word) but other times she seems insistent that it's real and we just don't understand.  And it has been 36+ hours since she did the drug. She really seems like she is still tripping hard. Don't know what to do.

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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: BR1]
    #21411072 - 03/15/15 11:46 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I appreciate your help by the way. Any other insight from anyone would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: BR1]
    #21411394 - 03/15/15 12:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Dude it's np, but I think you should probably sit down with her and really analyze what shes saying some more. Then you should smoke a joint or two with her, and tell her some jokes, do something that is funny fun and distracting and work her slowly back into reality in a really relaxed and fun way.


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: MrHappyGoats]
    #21411425 - 03/15/15 01:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Just give it a little time.  I'd recommend going out into some calm nature if you have any near by.  Trees always bring me a sense of peace and connectedness. 

the hospital isn't going to fix whatever is going on, and will probably make it worse IMO.
Unless she starts having any kind os physical health issue (what hospitals CAN help), just be there for her, give her support and love, and let her come back gradually.


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21411804 - 03/15/15 02:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Mr.PhilCybin said:
Just give it a little time.  I'd recommend going out into some calm nature if you have any near by.  Trees always bring me a sense of peace and connectedness. 

the hospital isn't going to fix whatever is going on, and will probably make it worse IMO.
Unless she starts having any kind os physical health issue (what hospitals CAN help), just be there for her, give her support and love, and let her come back gradually.



Yea hospitals can be a very scary setting...


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use (moved) [Re: BR1]
    #21418826 - 03/17/15 12:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was moved from Shroomery University.

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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use (moved) [Re: Middleman]
    #21419014 - 03/17/15 02:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Was this Mescaline mixed with MDMA (XTC)? It sounds like you're thinking that MDMA is Mescaline based, which it isn't.

In any case, I'd recommend making sure she eats well -- gets enough protein, water, and exercise.

I was wondering what she's saying that is out of touch with reality?


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use (moved) [Re: endogenous]
    #21419254 - 03/17/15 05:22 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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endogenous said:
It sounds like you're thinking that MDMA is Mescaline based, which it isn't.




That's not what it sounds like to me. MDMA is known for being adulterated with many diferent active chemicals, so he's saying it was MDMA mixed with mesclain. However mescalin is a very respected and expensive chemical and it is certainly not used as an adulterant for that reason (excepted from illegal status by U.S. Government for certain native American groups). 2C chemicals are seen as both mescalin alternatives and MDMA alternatives; moreover the hazardous NBOMEs are a form of the 2Cs. Or it could be anything, as anything advertised as "mescalin-based ecstasy" is highly suspect.

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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: BR1]
    #21419447 - 03/17/15 07:14 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Before I continue, know that me and most people here ARE NOT doctors, most of us can only speak from our own experiences so take everything with a grain of salt.

Has she recreationally taken drugs before?

Unless she is on the verge of physically harming herself or someone else, the hospital is a bad idea, the second you say "because of drug use" they will most likely not give her the same respect they would give their other patients, there is a negative stigma surrounding drug use and even though it shouldn't effect their opinions, it most likely will.

Best thing you can do at this point, make sure she stays off all drugs, weed, shrooms, xtc, mescaline, anything and everything should be off the list for some time, also, keep a mental note on how predominant it is and when, so pay extra special attention to her "ramblings". Are they becoming less frequent the more days that pass? Are they staying about the same, or are they gradually getting worse? All important questions and something you need to pay attention to, if it is gradually going away, you most likely have nothing to worry about, just keep an eye out, make sure she stays off drugs for a while, and most importantly, make sure she gets plenty of sleep, eats healthy, and exersize.

Also, psychedelics (along with other drugs) have the potential to bring out mental disorders in people who are predisposed to them even if they didn't show any signs, based off what you said, I don't think this is the issue, as far as I'm concerned, most crazy people, don't know they're crazy, so the fact you said she's atleast realizing some of the things she's saying she knows aren't real is a very good thing, even if she slips back into rambling.

Psychosis can happen to even the most mentally healthy people, if you reach that "breaking point" sometimes it's hard to come back, from what I've read, she should be good within a few weeks at most (though some cases are longer).

Also, have you ever taken psychedelic drugs? The reason I ask, is because on these drugs, you can experience things, that seem so fucking real sometimes, you would claim they are truth. When I first did shrooms for example, I came out thinking I had this profound wisdom given to me, and would try to explain what it was like to my friends, and I could tell by the looks on their faces, that they thought I was batshit insane. I wasn't claiming these things as real, was almost just rambling on how amazing/scary/intense/insane what happened was, yet when I came to this website, some, if not most, of the things I experienced turned out to be pretty common, and if you've ever have done psychs, it's very hard and practically impossible to put the experience into words so it usually comes out as wierd rambling.

She probably needs time to "integrate" her experience into her real reality, the integration process is a very real thing, even without the psychosis attached to it, if she's unfamiliar with drugs, her crazy rambling might be nothing more then her trying to explain something that happened during the experience that is unexplainable.

The fact that you said she at least occasionally realizes some of the things she is saying is off the wall, is a very good sign IMO, the best thing you can do at this point, is what I said earlier, keep an eye on how frequent these negative things you notice are happening on a day to day basis, is it worse today then it was yesterday? not good. Is it becoming less frequent with each day that passes? Very good.

As long as she doesn't seem to be a threat to herself or anyone else, I wouldn't recommend hospitals or settings that are similar in nature as they can be terrifying and sometimes can worsen a condition that would of got better on it's own, in the end, it's your call whether or not to take her, and use your best judgment to decide if it's needed. They'll most likely just give her drugs, to try and help with what drugs did.

I hope everything works out which at the moment sounds like it most likely will, you have to realize that you yourself are probably overreacting/overthinking this situation because it is someone near and dear to you, just comfort them, keep and eye on them, let them know you're there for them if need be, and it will almost definitely go away.

Very last question too, has anyone on either size of her family had a history of schizophrenia or any other type of mental disorder that isn't depression or anxiety? Not asking to concern you, but I'd rather make sure that every basis is covered so we can rule out worst case scenarios.

It really must be frightening if it is your daughter, and I know me, along with this community, wish the best for your family, please report back if you read this or if you have any other concerns as this community tends to be very friendly, especially in serious matters like this one.

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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21419597 - 03/17/15 08:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

My prayers to you OP...I have kids and can imagine the stress. Has she slept at all? Honestly, it sounds like there was some N-bome or other long lasting RC...maybe D O C that was added to her MDMA. If she continues ....a hospital would most likely administer some sort of sedative to slow her down and help her sleep...then evaluate her. If you have a valium or xanax around, I wouldn,t hesitate to give her one (only if she hasn't taken any herself)...let her sleep, then see how things turn.

In any case, I see it's been a day since you first posted...please let us know how things turned out.

I wish you both the best.


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21424321 - 03/17/15 09:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MrHappyGoats said:
Dude it's np, but I think you should probably sit down with her and really analyze what shes saying some more. Then you should smoke a joint or two with her, and tell her some jokes, do something that is funny fun and distracting and work her slowly back into reality in a really relaxed and fun way.




Quote:

Mr.PhilCybin said:
Just give it a little time.  I'd recommend going out into some calm nature if you have any near by.  Trees always bring me a sense of peace and connectedness. 

the hospital isn't going to fix whatever is going on, and will probably make it worse IMO.
Unless she starts having any kind os physical health issue (what hospitals CAN help), just be there for her, give her support and love, and let her come back gradually.





Smoke weed, avoid hospital: Great advice guys, great advice...

Honestly, OP, seek professional help. Medication is likely to be beneficial in the short term.

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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: BR1]
    #21424721 - 03/17/15 10:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

She will be fine as long as she stops all drug use. If she gets worse or doesn't get better after days/weeks, then she needs to go to seek psychiatric help. Possibly medications will be needed.

Good luck.


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21425050 - 03/18/15 12:54 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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She will be fine as long as she stops all drug use. If she gets worse or doesn't get better after days/weeks, then she needs to go to seek psychiatric help. Possibly medications will be needed.

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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: healing]
    #21430291 - 03/19/15 09:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

How is your daughter doing???


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: JadedMycology]
    #21430385 - 03/19/15 09:59 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah OP, let us know, I hope everything turned out well


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: Achillita]
    #21431332 - 03/19/15 01:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

My guess is she took a DOx chrm


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Re: Need Help psychotic Break continuing after mesc use [Re: 1314697]
    #21432281 - 03/19/15 05:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I've never heard of mescaline based E's, I know some people sell or are selling 2c's and DOx as mescaline due to the similarity of compounds pharmacologically and in terms of how long the trip can last (mescaline lasts atleast 12 hours but have heard of 24hour mescaline trips on huge doses). Personally OP if you are worried about your daughter you should get her to a psychiatrist/psychologist, a lot of people here won't agree with me but it is really for the best of he isn't getting better after a few weeks. atleast doctors in mental health have more of an idea of what could be done to help her bette then a bunch of drug users on a forum.

Also I listed a few drugs it could have been but keep in mind there are so many different designer drugs now that she could of taken a dozen of the various chemical that are in circulation, unfortunately drug dealers aren't always honest about what there selling. Be prepared that she may be permanently like this, I have one cousin who has residual drug damage also but has come along way since then. He is very slow in talking and anxious most of the time, but with the meds he is on he is pretty much normal (apart from having to think for awhile before being able to answer questions and talk).

I'm so sorry to hear that this has happened to your daughter, no doubt you love her very much and this ha come as a massive shock to you. Do what you can for her as she will be in a very fragile place and will need someone to be her support, I couldn't think of a better person to be her support then her father. I'll keep you and her in my prayers, please let us know how she goes and if there is any improvement


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