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George Bush In Iraq
    #2143133 - 11/28/03 10:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- President Bush returned to Texas early Friday after making an unannounced visit to Baghdad to spend part of Thanksgiving Day with U.S. troops -- a trip that surprised not only the soldiers but also virtually everyone else in the world.

Bush touched down in Waco, Texas, around 3:45 a.m. (4:45 a.m. EST) Friday en route to his ranch in nearby Crawford. He had arrived at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland several hours earlier.

His visit marked the first time a U.S. president had traveled to Iraq, and concern for Bush's safety kept the trip cloaked in secrecy. Even some members of the Secret Service were kept in the dark about it.

The whirlwind trip came amid persistent insurgent attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq -- and less than a week after a cargo plane was struck by a missile and forced to land at the Baghdad airport.

Air Force One, with its lights turned off for security reasons, touched down at Baghdad International Airport at 5:31 p.m. (9:31 a.m. EST) and taxied to a remote corner of the airport.

Bush then went to a hangar where about 600 members of the 1st Armored Division and the 82nd Airborne Division had gathered.

The U.S. forces had been told that L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. civilian administrator in Iraq, and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of coalition forces, would be attending the dinner.

As Bremer prepared to read a presidential proclamation to the troops, he said, "Let's see if we've got anybody more senior here who can read the president's Thanksgiving speech. Is there anybody back there who's more senior than I?"

Bush then emerged, misty-eyed and wearing a U.S. Army exercise jacket, to a roaring ovation.

The shocked and elated soldiers jumped to their feet, pumped their fists in the air, roared with delight, and grabbed their cameras to snap photographs.

"I was just looking for a warm meal somewhere," Bush joked, and added: "I can't think of a finer group of folks to have dinner with."

Then the commander-in-chief got serious.

"You are defending the American people from danger and we are grateful. You are defeating the terrorists here in Iraq."

The insurgents in the country are "testing our will. They hope we will run," he said.

But, he said, "we did not charge hundreds of miles into the heart of Iraq, pay a bitter cost of casualties, defeat a ruthless dictator and liberate 25 million people only to retreat before a band of thugs and assassins."

That line prompted a standing ovation.

"We will prevail. We will stay until the job is done," he said.

Afterward, Bush mingled with soldiers and temporarily joined the servers on the food line to dish out sweet potatoes and corn.

"It gave us a little extra oomph," Spc. Talitha Williams, an Arkansas native assigned to the 1st Armored Division. "Maybe we can get through this."

"It felt good," said Spc. Juan Deloera, also with the 1st Armored Division. "It really boosted my morale."

"It helps a lot knowing that the commander in chief himself is going to come out here and make some of the same sacrifices away from his family, away from his home, to show that he is devoted and in the same position that we are," said Pvt. Patrick McFarland of the 1st Armored Division.

"That's where your mind is, on home this time of the year, and you think about your loved ones, your friends and things like that, and then you have the leader of our country come here and share dinner with us. It's actually very special," said Sgt. Robert Dunn, a Dallas native with the 1st Armored Division.

The president also went behind closed doors for two separate meetings with U.S. commanders and four members of the Iraq Governing Council. After being on the ground 2.5 hours, the president left Baghdad around 8 p.m. (noon EST).

At the president's ranch in Crawford, Texas, where reporters had been told Bush would be having Thanksgiving dinner, the reaction among the press corps was shock and awe.

Word of the trip was so tightly held that some members of the Secret Service were not told, and the number of senior White House officials who knew about it could be counted on one hand.

Sanchez, the coalition commander, didn't learn of the trip until 72 hours beforehand.

Bush sneaked out of his 1,600-acre Crawford ranch in an unmarked car Wednesday evening, slipping past reporters without notice. (Timeline of Bush's trip)

From there, at 7:25 p.m. (8:25 p.m. EST), he took a flight to Andrews Air Force Base to pick up close aides. They then switched planes for the flight to Baghdad.

As the plane was en route, White House communications director Dan Bartlett told the few reporters who were allowed to travel with Bush: "If this breaks while we're in the air, we're turning around."

The news broke minutes after Bush left Iraq.

Iraqis meet to discuss transition plan
The current head of the Iraqi Governing Council met Thursday with a top Shiite leader to discuss the cleric's disagreement with the latest plan to transfer sovereignty from the U.S.-led coalition to the Iraqis.

Jalal Talabani met in Najaf with Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who complained about loopholes in the plan, focusing on what he called the lack of grass-roots Iraqi voter participation and the lack of Islamic influence in the constitution.

The transition plan -- announced earlier this month by the coalition-picked Governing Council -- calls for regional caucuses to pick a national assembly by the end of May.

The assembly is to choose a transitional government by the end of June. Sovereignty would be transferred from the coalition to Iraqis in July. The constitution would be written and democratic elections would be held by the end of 2005.

Sistani's views are important since Shiites represent 60 percent of Iraq's population, and his objections could thwart efforts to gain widespread support for transitional plans.

The discussions came as the U.S.-led coalition and the council try to restore stability in the face of daily guerrilla attacks and credibility to the U.S.-led efforts at nation building.

Other developments

? A roadside bomb hit three trucks affiliated with the U.S. military Thursday as they traveled on the western outskirts of Baghdad, Coalition Provisional Authority sources said. There were no injuries. Two contractor trucks and a military truck were engulfed in flames, causing authorities to temporarily the highway.

Troops and their families and employers will soon find out if they will be affected by the Pentagon's latest mobilization of 17,000 reservists for duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. In addition, nearly 8,000 reservists have been alerted for deployment to Iraq and around 700 for deployment to Afghanistan. The announcements affect Army and Air Force National Guard and Reserves as well as Navy and Marine Corps Reserves. (Full story)

? Late Wednesday, a rocket-propelled grenade hit the Italian Embassy in Baghdad, causing minor damage to the building's second floor, according to Italian officials. No one was inside the building at the time of the attack, which happened around 11:30 p.m. (3:30 p.m. EST).

CNN's Jane Arraf, Walter Rodgers, Alphonso Van Marsh, Barbara Starr, and Dana Bash contributed to this report.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/27/sprj.irq.main/index.html

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I thought that was pretty cool that Bush did that.  I totally underestimated his character on this one!  :thumbup: 


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: pattern]
    #2143404 - 11/29/03 01:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #2143717 - 11/29/03 03:50 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #2143835 - 11/29/03 07:39 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone else find it funny how this known deserter likes to don military clothing whenever it suits him?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Edame]
    #2143959 - 11/29/03 10:55 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"known deserter"? I'd like to see a link for that please...

Anyone else find it funny how you can sit behind your computer, safe and secure in cowardland, and hate Bush for starting this war, and the men and women who actually have to risk their lives in it give him a 10 minute standing ovation, and the men actually hug him?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2144026 - 11/29/03 11:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"known deserter"? I'd like to see a link for that please...

This makes a pretty good arguement for it.

Anyone else find it funny how you can sit behind your computer, safe and secure in cowardland, and hate Bush for starting this war, and the men and women who actually have to risk their lives in it give him a 10 minute standing ovation, and the men actually hug him?

I don't see any hate in this thread, perhaps you're just projecting it onto 'us'. I did find your use of the word coward funny though, it seems appropriate given that Bush snuck in like a thief in the night. He addresses 600 men inside the airport and ducks away again after 2 hours. No visits to injured soldiers, no trip through the 'liberated' streets of Baghdad meeting the newly freed Iraqis, no public meetings with the governing council. Just some nice photos of George serving thanksgiving dinner to a select group of soldiers for his re-election campaign. If it's not really that bad over in Iraq and it's just the media being negative, why did he have to shroud his 2 hour photo-op in absolute secrecy, not even telling his own wife until the very last minute? It reminds me of a Bill Hicks quote:

"I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's got God on his side."


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Edame]
    #2144101 - 11/29/03 12:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe, just maybe, it's because it's a fucking war zone? *shrug* I dunno... Do you think that if Saddam flew to the US, he might go a wee bit undercover?

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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2144103 - 11/29/03 12:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

and my god! A politician trying to get votes! That blows my mind!

I'm noticing very little about Mr Hil Clintons trip to Iraq, where she suggested that MORE TROOPS would be needed...


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #2144235 - 11/29/03 01:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Thats a good point, although historically, a president of any country doesn't visit the country he is attacking in wartime. 

Ultimately, Bush will never be a great leader, because a true leader leads by example.  :smirk: 


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2144296 - 11/29/03 02:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe, just maybe, it's because it's a fucking war zone? *shrug* I dunno... Do you think that if Saddam flew to the US, he might go a wee bit undercover?


And yet Blair found the time to visit, speak to some troops at 2 different bases and visit a school. I don't even like the guy, but compare his actions with those of Bush.




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And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: pattern]
    #2144348 - 11/29/03 02:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Thats a good point, although historically, a president of any country doesn't visit the country he is attacking in wartime.




Yeah. That picture was really just making a joke about how Bush is always donning war gear, but when he had the chance to actually fight for his country, he ducked out.







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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Edame]
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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: pattern]
    #2148252 - 12/01/03 01:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

publicity stunt


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: barfightlard]
    #2148708 - 12/01/03 08:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No, he's a great guy.





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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #2148868 - 12/01/03 10:53 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

GWB wasn't the greatest of reservists, but he was never AWOL.


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    #2150153 - 12/01/03 07:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I've seen nothing but convincing information regarding
the AWOL claim.

can you point me to anything that directly debunks this?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: afoaf]
    #2150255 - 12/01/03 08:09 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

look, and you will find that nowhere is it stated in any military records that george w. bush was ever considered absent without leave. he was once listed as something like, "not observed at this station" but that's military jargon entirely different than being AWOL... it's a very common listing, and it absolutely doesn't mean that one has gone AWOL. it's not even considered an infraction. going AWOL is a serious offense and doing so automatically precludes one from recieving an honorable discharge. if you look at his military record, you will find that bush was not only never listed as AWOL, but he also received an honorable discharge.

some, who clearly don't like to let the facts get in the way, like to trumpet that bush was AWOL for a year of his military career. this is simply not true. he was absent from active service, but with the approval of his commanding officer (though it was not approved by his commanding officer).

i'll be one to admit that his "service" was far from exemplary... i wouldn't call it something to be proud of.... but the use of the term "AWOL" is intentionally misleading and incorrect.


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: ]
    #2150405 - 12/01/03 09:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

here's an interesting thread with all sorts
of interesting links.

it seems it is not so black and white...

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/12146663.cfm


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: afoaf]
    #2150432 - 12/01/03 09:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So mushmaster had it right when he said....

"i'll be one to admit that his "service" was far from exemplary... i wouldn't call it something to be proud of.... but the use of the term "AWOL" is intentionally misleading and incorrect."

I would have thought the AWOL line had been debunked awhile ago. I guess it's the "conservative" media so many here believe exists. They must really be conservative if they don't print rebuttals to the AWOL story.    :lol:

I can see the editors now......
"Let's run the truth about Bush being AWOL."

"Nah, lets let the rumors persist. This way we can cleverly disguise our conservative leanings."


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2150500 - 12/01/03 09:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

no, not quite.

it's not really that clear cut a case.

read through some of that stuff.



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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: afoaf]
    #2150529 - 12/01/03 09:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I've been reading about it, including that site, since it was brought up years ago.


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2151748 - 12/02/03 02:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I looked at some pictures last week of bush's visit...strange how none of them were outside where you could see that he was in iraq. All those soldiers just look sooooo happy he's there, it just seems a little off to me...

I seriously hope they wouldn't stage such a visit, but if someone finds a pic with him outside of what could be a prop, pls post it....i won't hold my breath.


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2151910 - 12/02/03 03:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

He didn't stage it. He went to Iraq.

He just did it to look good for election time, is all.





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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2152068 - 12/02/03 04:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I looked at some pictures last week of bush's visit...strange how none of them were outside where you could see that he was in iraq. All those soldiers just look sooooo happy he's there, it just seems a little off to me...





Maybe it's because the men who are risking their livesevery day over there see that we are making a difference?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2152115 - 12/02/03 04:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hitler made a difference to.





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    #2152227 - 12/02/03 05:20 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What a nincompoop. Ask the thousands of Iraqi's that are getting humanitarian aide instead of having a dictator keep them starving while he got rich what they think. Pretty stupid picture too, Leary didn't support nations keeping people suffering and starving, did he?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2152395 - 12/02/03 06:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe it's because the men who are risking their livesevery day over there see that we are making a difference?




Nope, thats not it...


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #2152403 - 12/02/03 06:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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He didn't stage it. He went to Iraq.

He just did it to look good for election time, is all.






Thats what i thought...but can you see a picture of him with iraq scenery behind him? i didn't...and i looked again today...


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    #2152426 - 12/02/03 06:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Something like this...but with bush in it....you can see the building back there are middle eastern.


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    #2152452 - 12/02/03 06:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yes, that is definitely a middle eastern building.

pffft...

you're keeping reynolds wrap in business with
all this tinfoil hat, conspiracy crap.

this isn't the lunar landing...it's just a publicity
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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: afoaf]
    #2152459 - 12/02/03 06:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i just can't believ that out of all the photos taken there isn't one which shows scenery...not even the smallest bit.

Please show me one, and put all my doubts to rest...

im not saying it was staged, just poiting out my observation of the whole visit. :smile:


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2152494 - 12/02/03 06:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

haven't seen one, but those pictures with the
captions are effing priceless!


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: afoaf]
    #2152501 - 12/02/03 06:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)



I think the big black guy has something to say too, but there must not have been room... :lol:


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2152510 - 12/02/03 06:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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What a nincompoop. Ask the thousands of Iraqi's that are getting humanitarian aide instead of having a dictator keep them starving while he got rich what they think. Pretty stupid picture too, Leary didn't support nations keeping people suffering and starving, did he?




No he didn't. He also wouldn't have supported spending billions apon BILLIONS of dollars(not to mention human life) on trying to free *cough*bullshit*cough* just one of the many countries who have starving and oppressed people. If we invaded a country that didn't happen to have lots of oil you might have some credibiltiy.




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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2152555 - 12/02/03 07:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Here's another one for you. I don't think it's that good though.




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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #2152770 - 12/02/03 08:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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What a nincompoop.  Ask the thousands of Iraqi's that are getting humanitarian aide instead of having a dictator keep them starving while he got rich what they think.  Pretty stupid picture too, Leary didn't support nations keeping people suffering and starving, did he? 




No he didn't. He also wouldn't have supported spending billions apon BILLIONS of dollars(not to mention human life) on trying to free *cough*bullshit*cough* just one of the many countries who have starving and oppressed people. If we invaded a country that didn't happen to have lots of oil you might have some credibiltiy.






If you are saying we need to invade more nations, you wouldn't hear much argument from me :smile:


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2152817 - 12/02/03 09:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm definitely not saying that.

I'm saying that the US government might not care about the Iraqi people quite as much as they say they do. It's a crazy idea, I know, but still.

I have a feeling the government cares for the Iraqi people about as much as the people they imprison for using illegal drugs.





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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2154807 - 12/03/03 01:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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If you are saying we need to invade more nations, you wouldn't hear much argument from me :smile: 




:lol:, you disgust me. :thumbdown:


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2154894 - 12/03/03 01:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That certaintly isn't a flame, is it Azmo old boy? I think that one could argue that we have an obligation to go into nations and liberate their people. I also think that one could argue "To hell with them", and not care about them at all. I personally would be much happier with an isolationist position, but it isn't something we can do overnight. My belief is that, while in the area, why not clean out some other nations?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2155813 - 12/03/03 05:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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That certaintly isn't a flame, is it Azmo old boy?




Unfortunately no.

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enimatpyrt said:I think that one could argue that we have an obligation to go into nations and liberate their people.




Do you now?! Then argue it with me. I say the only ppl eligable to 'liberate' themselves are the people being oppressed, unless the aggression is from a neighboor, in which other bordering countries should play a role.

Never! not once in the history of humanity has an outside power, come in, investing large resources soley for the liberation of oppressed people and out of the goodness in thier hearts.

However!, such pretenses have been used tiime and time again to justify thier occupation and to assimilate the said ppl into a unified area with its 'liberators' benefiting in more ways than one with the mindset of 'recovering' the costs of the inital invasion.....and easing thier conscience as the new exploitation continues.

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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2155841 - 12/03/03 05:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What... about.. um.. WWII? The war in Europe? How was Nazi Germany our enemy, and what "alterior motives" did we have? Oh I know! Oil, right? Or Semmel-Knodel? Horstwessel? Beiderhosen? what prescious commodity did we rig up the holocaust for to loot Germany of?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2155944 - 12/03/03 06:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

:shake:


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2155995 - 12/03/03 06:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The brilliance of non-worded reply that doesn't address any points, as from it's master, Azmo. congradulations again on wasting a post.


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2156031 - 12/03/03 06:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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What... about.. um.. WWII? The war in Europe? How was Nazi Germany our enemy, and what "alterior motives" did we have? Oh I know! Oil, right? Or Semmel-Knodel? Horstwessel? Beiderhosen? what prescious commodity did we rig up the holocaust for to loot Germany of? 




The Axis attacked Pearl Harbour.  In conclusion, America blows the shit out of the Nazis.  I don't think it was purely a humanitarian cause.  I mean, Canadians were there long before Americans ever thought about it. :rolleyes: 


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: pattern]
    #2156043 - 12/03/03 06:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Overthrowing the warlords in Africa to protect Red Cross shipments ;-) Maybe we wanted to steal thins from the rich, prosperous land of Africa. Tell me why we went to Somalia, following your premise that we've never done anything for "humanitarian" reasons. And Learyboy, isn't this proof that we aren't after just oil?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2156082 - 12/03/03 07:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What... about.. um.. WWII? The war in Europe? How was Nazi Germany our enemy, and what "alterior motives" did we have? Oh I know! Oil, right? Or Semmel-Knodel? Horstwessel? Beiderhosen? what prescious commodity did we rig up the holocaust for to loot Germany of?

um. we didn't know about the holocaust until after the war so there goes that argument.

Tell me why we went to Somalia, following your premise that we've never done anything for "humanitarian" reasons. And Learyboy, isn't this proof that we aren't after just oil?

is Somalia really the best example? we cut and ran pretty fast there so apparently, the cost of a humanitarian intervention was too steep for us... but I'm sure we would have had more "resolve" had there been massive oil reserves in Somalia.


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2156095 - 12/03/03 07:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

so did anyone ever find an outside picture?


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    #2156101 - 12/03/03 07:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

huh?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2158082 - 12/04/03 02:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

of bush in iraq...has anyone seen a photo, that could not be a set...or where it shows even part of the scenery of iraq?


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2158200 - 12/04/03 03:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Azmodeus, you're a great guy, but you're going to make us conspiracy theorists look bad with that "Bush may not have gone to Iraq" idea of yours. I don't think it was faked. The reason you don't see him outside is because he's too chickenshit to be outside where he's sent our brave young men to die.

He's a moving target guy.





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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #2158215 - 12/04/03 03:21 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What about when he got off the plane? I dunno, it seems shady from the pics i saw.

If he was a target, i doubt he'd go....it doesn't matter either way though.

Edit: i don[t beileve what i hear from america anymore without proof....it used to be reversed.


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    #2158263 - 12/04/03 03:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I thought consipiracy theorists already looked bad...


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: afoaf]
    #2158433 - 12/04/03 04:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Most do.


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2158514 - 12/04/03 04:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Your heart is in the right place. Being against Bush is being for the human race.





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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
    #2158666 - 12/04/03 05:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

mmm, so no picture then...okay.
I still think its bullshit. They lie about everything else, why not this?! I think it would be quit dangerous with little practicality for him to go there for rating, but staging it and spoonfeeding it is easy compared to all the other shit they pulled.
...but if you find a picture....
They all seem to have disapeared already...
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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2159013 - 12/04/03 08:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Overthrowing the warlords in Africa to protect Red Cross shipments ;-) Maybe we wanted to steal thins from the rich, prosperous land of Africa. Tell me why we went to Somalia, following your premise that we've never done anything for "humanitarian" reasons. And Learyboy, isn't this proof that we aren't after just oil?




I'm interested in a reply to this, learyfan...


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2159118 - 12/04/03 08:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

someone addressed that point earlier...


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Re: George Bush In Iraq [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2159120 - 12/04/03 08:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You could add Kosovo to that list.

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