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Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate
    #21429931 - 03/19/15 07:19 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys,

So I'm trying to maximize the effects of some ecuadorian shrooms I have. Will take em on empty stomach, lemon tek etc., and thought of adding the MAOI element to it. I understand that Dark Chocolate is an MAOI but the question is how strong of one is it? i mean when I use the shrooms calculator for example, a level 1 would be at .75 grams, and with an MAOI it would be .3 grams, is eating say half a bar of 70% dark chocolate to achieve that push sufficient or is it too little or too much?

please only reply if you KNOW and have used dark chocolate as an MAOI before because we really don't want to get fucked on some uncertain advice :smile:

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: Apollop]
    #21429976 - 03/19/15 07:36 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

30 grams of dark chocolate contains about 200 micrograms of beta-carbolines.[1] By comparison, Jonathan Ott determined the minimum amt. of the beta-carboline, harmine needed for activation of DMT to be 120 milligrams.[2]


1. Herraiz, Tomas. 2000. "Tetrahydro-β-carbolines, Potential Neuroactive Alkaloids, in Chocolate and Cocoa", Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry., 48 (10), pp 4900–4904. 

See this post for the download link for this article as well as more info on chocolate's unique chemcials: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20839702#20839702


2. For experiment 12, I increased the quantity of harmine hydrochloride to 141 mg (=120 mg base; 1.5 mg/kg), and ingested this along with 35 mg DMT free-base (0.44 mg/kg). By 45 minutes after ingestion, it was obvious the dose was psychoptic, and I experienced a distinct DMT effect building to a peak at 1:05 after ingestion and maintaining a plateau until 1:50, with the effects largely dissipated by 3 hours after ingestion. This experience was of comparable intensity to experiment 6 involving ingestion of a similar amount of DMT (30 mg; 0.38 mg/kg) with extract of 4 g of harmel seeds, and we may conclude that 120 mg of harmine (1.5 mg/kg) will effect sufficient in vivo MAO-inhibition to render DMT active orally with a longer duration and about half the potency of inhaled DMT vapor. To confirm these results, I decided to make another experiment with the harmine/DMT combinations, slightly increasing the amounts of both compounds. Accordingly, I prepared a capsule containing 188 mg harmine hydrochloride (=160 mg harmine base; 2.0 mg/kg) and 40 mg DMT base (0.5 mg/kg).

This capsule was ingested in experiment 13 and indeed provoked a proportionally stronger dmt effect with the first effects felt in 20 minutes, building to a peak by 1:30 after ingestion with a plateau until 2:40, and clearly diminishing effects at 3:00 after ingestion. By 4:00 after ingestion there were no effects, nor after-effects. All in all, the experience was quite pleasant and similar to experiment 3 in Ecuador with about 50 leaves of DMT-containing Psychotria viridis per dose, ’though somewhat less potent.

Pharmacotheon: Entheogenic Drugs, Their Plant Sources and History. Chapter 4: Beta-carbolines and Ayahuasca Potions. Jonathan Ott. Natural Products Company. 1993. p. 250  DOWNLOAD

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: s240779]
    #21429993 - 03/19/15 07:40 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

thanks!

so basically taking 20 grams of 70% dark chocolate should potentiate the effects?

Normally when someone takes a pharmaceutical MAOI, how many milligrams are advised when doing shrooms? got an idea?

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: Apollop]
    #21429997 - 03/19/15 07:42 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

No.

200 micrograms (chocolate) vs. 120 milligrams (harmine).

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: s240779]
    #21430040 - 03/19/15 07:59 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

He's pretty much saying you'd need to eat a shitload of chocolate for it to work,


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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: Achillita]
    #21430106 - 03/19/15 08:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

oh ok. so its useless to have like a bar or so.
cool, thanks!

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: Apollop]
    #21430284 - 03/19/15 09:33 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

You would need a lot of chocolate... More than you want to take

Buy an ounce of Syrian rue for a couple of dollars if you want a good MAOI

Perfectly legal...

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: HarryL]
    #21430956 - 03/19/15 12:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

and take how much of it?

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: Apollop]
    #21431189 - 03/19/15 01:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

What about using Organic Cacoa Powder, non-dutched????


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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: JadedMycology]
    #21431192 - 03/19/15 01:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Do the math using the info in my above post. 1000 mcg is a milligram.

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: s240779] * 1
    #21431577 - 03/19/15 02:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It comes out to about 18,000g, which is about 250 72% cacao chocolate bars.


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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: healing]
    #21431605 - 03/19/15 02:46 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

healing said:
It comes out to about 18,000g, which is about 250 72% cacao chocolate bars.





haha i wonder who started this false claim and why!

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Re: Inhibiting MAO with Dark Chocolate [Re: Apollop]
    #21432967 - 03/19/15 07:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well the aztecs would obstain from eating except for the cacao drink with the mushrooms. Honestly dark chocolate and mushrooms taste pretty great together, so even though it won't potentiate, it helps tremendously with the taste.


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