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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21425028 - 03/18/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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A combination of several thing... bias free.




Hmm, you make a compelling argument, here.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: mycopathy]
    #21425140 - 03/18/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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It's obvious you are a scientist.

...seeing how disingenuous many scientists are behaving... I opted out of that career.



So are you saying it's obvious mycopathy is a scientist because he is disingenuous???  :shrug:

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I couldn't bear to be associated with people who had clearly put an agenda before objective scientific investigation.



What is a climate scientist's "agenda" if not to study climate science?  It's the media that disagree with climate science, not climate scientists.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21425430 - 03/18/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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It's obvious you are a scientist.

...seeing how disingenuous many scientists are behaving... I opted out of that career.



So are you saying it's obvious mycopathy is a scientist because he is disingenuous???  :shrug:




LOL. I really did laugh at that one. I'm mycopathy by the way... Nevertheless, I was able to decipher the meaning of your grotesque misquotation. It was a good one. Top of the class for you.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: mycopathy]
    #21427615 - 03/18/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

> It's obvious you are a scientist.

Studied engineering, but we were required to learn a lot of pure science.

> Please tell me, how do you cope with the seeing how the good name of science is being perverted by these charlatans?

The cool thing about science is that you get to test an idea and have others validate that idea.  There are always a few bad apples in any field of study.  With science, the bad apples will eventually be outed.  Unfortunately, with global warming, politics has taken center stage and uses "science" to validate some political position.  Science will eventually prevail, but it may be a painful path.

> I wanted to go into science but seeing how disingenuous many scientists are behaving regarding the manmade global warming con,

I don't know that man made global warming is a con or not; there simply isn't enough unbiased data for me to decide one way or another.  As long as the topic remains political, it will be difficult, if not impossible, to know who or what to trust.  However, there are many fields of science and research that have not been politicized.  It would be a shame to rule out something that you love or are passionate about just because of the corruption within a small niche.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Seuss]
    #21430027 - 03/19/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Unfortunately, with global warming, politics has taken center stage and uses "science" to validate some political position.  Science will eventually prevail, but it may be a painful path.





Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Global warming proponents sound more like religious fundamentalists these days.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: setb] * 2
    #21430039 - 03/19/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I would say the people who deny climate science on the basis of believing the earth is only 6000 years old are the fundamentalists.

People who fervently advocate the acceptance of science, so that we may literally save the world, are rightfully fervent. Being passionate doesn't make you a fundamentalist, especially if you're right.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: setb]
    #21431937 - 03/19/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Unfortunately, with global warming, politics has taken center stage and uses "science" to validate some political position.  Science will eventually prevail, but it may be a painful path.





Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Global warming proponents sound more like religious fundamentalists these days.



"Science" is not going to prevail.  "Science" is already corrupted and irrelevant.  Reality will prevail because there is no fucking way we will stop using fossil fuels.  And then we'll see if these dingbats are right or full of shit.

I am still unconvinced that warming is bad.  It's a damn good thing the planet warmed from 20,000 years ago, doncha think?


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21432400 - 03/19/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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I would say the people who deny climate science on the basis of believing the earth is only 6000 years old are the fundamentalists.

People who fervently advocate the acceptance of science, so that we may literally save the world, are rightfully fervent. Being passionate doesn't make you a fundamentalist, especially if you're right.




Amen brother. Preachin' like a boss! You're gonna save the world.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21432441 - 03/19/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I would say the people who deny climate science on the basis of believing the earth is only 6000 years old are the fundamentalists.

People who fervently advocate the acceptance of science, so that we may literally save the world, are rightfully fervent. Being passionate doesn't make you a fundamentalist, especially if you're right.



You can be passionate and stupid at the same time.  In fact, in re scientific endeavors, the more passionate you are the less likely you are to adhere properly to scientific methodology.  Like the arch liar Michael Mann.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21432453 - 03/19/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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I would say the people who deny climate science on the basis of believing the earth is only 6000 years old are the fundamentalists.

People who fervently advocate the acceptance of science, so that we may literally save the world, are rightfully fervent. Being passionate doesn't make you a fundamentalist, especially if you're right.




Re-read your statement and tell me how you do not sound like a religious fundamentalist.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21432978 - 03/19/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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"Science" is not going to prevail.  "Science" is already corrupted and irrelevant.



Nothing could be further from the truth.  If a scientist is corrupt, the rest of the scientific community will figure it out.  However, politicians and the media aren't typically as smart.

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Reality will prevail because there is no fucking way we will stop using fossil fuels.  And then we'll see if these dingbats are right or full of shit.



I agree it doesn't look like the US wants to reduce fossil fuel usage, so yes, our kids will know soon enough.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21433041 - 03/19/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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"Science" is already corrupted and irrelevant.




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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: setb]
    #21433079 - 03/19/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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I would say the people who deny climate science on the basis of believing the earth is only 6000 years old are the fundamentalists.

People who fervently advocate the acceptance of science, so that we may literally save the world, are rightfully fervent. Being passionate doesn't make you a fundamentalist, especially if you're right.




Re-read your statement and tell me how you do not sound like a religious fundamentalist.




You don't understand. He really is right. His God really is the one true god.

But as I say, there's no point in trying to dissuade someone from believing in their religion. A just society accepts everyone no matter their creed, race, or religion.

I accept the global warming catastrophisers. And as Zaph and Seuss say, eventually reality is discovered no matter what. So why hate each other in the meantime?


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: setb]
    #21435590 - 03/20/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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setb said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I would say the people who deny climate science on the basis of believing the earth is only 6000 years old are the fundamentalists.

People who fervently advocate the acceptance of science, so that we may literally save the world, are rightfully fervent. Being passionate doesn't make you a fundamentalist, especially if you're right.




Re-read your statement and tell me how you do not sound like a religious fundamentalist.




I do not sound like a religious fundamentalist.

Stop trying to equate the scientific process with religious faith.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21435608 - 03/20/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Science isn't perfect, but it's the best thing we have for discovering truth in our natural world.  Perhaps Religion can bring clarity to the afterlife … who knows, but when it comes to analysis of our geological history, the changes happening in our climate and the discovery of new practical things for the here and now, science has done a pretty good job.

Convincing thousands of scientists to go along with a political conspiracy is absolutely ludicrous.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21435628 - 03/20/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
"Science" is not going to prevail.  "Science" is already corrupted and irrelevant.



Nothing could be further from the truth.  If a scientist is corrupt, the rest of the scientific community will figure it out.  However, politicians and the media aren't typically as smart.




Michael Mann is a liar and a fraud.
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Reality will prevail because there is no fucking way we will stop using fossil fuels.  And then we'll see if these dingbats are right or full of shit.



I agree it doesn't look like the US wants to reduce fossil fuel usage, so yes, our kids will know soon enough.




The US is irrelevant.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21435629 - 03/20/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Science isn't perfect, but it's the best thing we have for discovering truth in our natural world.  Perhaps Religion can bring clarity to the afterlife … who knows, but when it comes to analysis of our geological history, the changes happening in our climate and the discovery of new practical things for the here and now, science has done a pretty good job.

Convincing thousands of scientists to go along with a political conspiracy is absolutely ludicrous.



They can be just as easily corrupted by money as anybody else.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21435637 - 03/20/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Convincing thousands of scientists to go along with a political conspiracy is absolutely ludicrous.



Of course. But oddly, it seems as though 50% of the general public believes that's exactly what is happening.  If science doesn't agree with their world view, then scientists must be part of some grand conspiracy.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21435644 - 03/20/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Please, do tell us how computer models that don't work are scientific again.  Did you know that in the seventies your priest class was predicting an ice age?


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21435647 - 03/20/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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They can be just as easily corrupted by money as anybody else.




Nonetheless, our world is filled with miracles that science has given us.  Medicines, energy, engines, communications technology, music technology, film, planes, rockets, etc.

Hard to find a single positive visible thing that religion has given us besides an obedient population generally supportive of militant nationalism.    They have been at it for thousands of years and still have not produced one piece of physical indisputable evidence that God even exists.  In fact, there's not even a shred of physical evidence that Jesus existed for that matter.


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