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OfflineAlan Stone
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Solution to the world's problems?
    #2142657 - 11/28/03 06:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

While reading one of the newsletters at the World Mind Society, titled 'What to do when an entire culture goes insane', I came across some remarkable figures.

It said, and I quote:

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If there is any doubt in the reader?s mind regarding these conclusions, then let us review further the implications of our consumerist, materialistic and militaristic world view?

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Military Expenditures for 2002

Global military expenditures currently exceed $800 BILLION!

The top military spenders are:

United States $343.2 Billion

Russia* $60

China $42

Japan $40.4

United Kingdom $34

Saudi Arabia $27.2

France $25.3

Germany $21

Brazil $17.9

India $15.6

Italy $15.5

South Korea $11.8

*Based on 2000 funding (most recent year available) Global Priorities For approximately 30% of Annual World Military Expenditures (~$810 billion),

All of the following could be accomplished if only a portion of such monies were spent for sane purposes?..

To Eliminate Starvation and Malnutrition ($19 billion)

To Provide Shelter ($21 billion)

To Remove Landmines ($4 billion)

To Build Democracy ($3 billion)

To Eliminate Nuclear Weapons ($7 billion)

To Refugee Relief ($5 billion)

To Eliminate Illiteracy ($5 billion)

To Provide Clean, Safe Water ($10 billion)

To Provide Health Care and AIDS Control ($21 billion)

To Stop Deforestation ($7 billion)

To Prevent Global Warming ($8 billion)

To Stabilize Population ($10.5 billion)

To Prevent Acid Rain ($8 billion)

To Provide Clean, Safe Energy: Energy Efficiency ($33 billion),

To provide renewable Energy ($17 billion)

To Stop Ozone Depletion ($5 billion)

To Prevent Soil Erosion ($24 billion)

To Retire Developing Nations Debt ($30 billion)

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Does anyone know more on this topic? Are the figures represented correct? Regardless of whether they are, how do you feel about them?

Some links:
What to do when an entire culture goes insane
World Mind Society


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2142737 - 11/28/03 07:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That link to "What to do when an entire culture goes insane" is so dead-on...

"There is no political solution to these ills. No new government, law, constitution or bill of rights will act as remedy for widespread social insanity. EVERY form of government and law enforcement can only smooth over such deep seated social problems/beliefs without ever addressing their cause. People still think that by voting or writing letters to congressmen, that this is going to change society for the better. But they are mistaken. So long as the values of our age are in place, (materialism, militarism, egotism) there is no hope for the future of the human race. We are already dead, it’s just that most of us would like to pretend otherwise. Congressmen, senators and presidents are no more capable of lucid, sane action than is the average citizen. It is time we thought and lived for ourselves, instead of waiting for idiots in high places to somehow come to their senses, (let alone admit their corruption and dishonesty)."


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2142832 - 11/28/03 08:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, I really like that quote. It articulates what I've come to realize in the past year. Thanks for posting it.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2142875 - 11/28/03 08:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This article is called "simplification."


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2142881 - 11/28/03 08:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No, it is not. It is simply stating the sources of the world's problems. The sources are always going to be much simpler than the complex structures and obfuscation derived from them. It is stating a new foundation for a new model of society needs to be developed because the core beliefs of the current one will inevitably lead to corruption and self-destruction.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143043 - 11/28/03 09:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hmmm haw hmmm haw.

What I think is simplistic is that the way the numbers are presented implies that if you just got rid of the military, then you could feed everybody. I declare the economy to be more complex than that.

That photo you have in your sig is also very simplistic, O simple one.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143093 - 11/28/03 10:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

damn, see this is what I was thinking about money wise as well. I made a post on it like a month ago. assuming that the numbers are true, where the hell is all this money coming from. i know we don't have enough gold/precious metals to represent how much money we spend.

800 billion huh? how do you define that much worth, in the name of "security" it's obviously not all security and if it is that much, then we definately don't know everything that's going on.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: kaiowas]
    #2143117 - 11/28/03 10:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

where the hell is all this money coming from

Money has no physical value anymore, it's all 1's and 0's in the banks. They are creating virtual money, and you using your credit card or debit card instead of cash is only making it easier for them to get rid of physical currency altogether. When that happens, every transaction that you make will be monitered, recorded, and stored. e.g. right now I can meet you on a street corner and sell you some drugs, and u give me cash for it. If our money goes completely digital (and it will), I won't be able to make that kind of trade with you. I'm sure people will develop ways so scam this or just trade valuable possessions instead, but that's not the point. If money goes digital, it will almost complete the foundations of a transparent society.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: chodamunky]
    #2143192 - 11/28/03 11:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The US is on a credit based financial system called fiat money. What backs the US dollar is little more that the stability of the US government. Poeple belif and confidence gives it it's only value.

I fthe quote was just stating the source of world problems it need not include what is spent on millitary. It implies that abolishing all the worlds millitaries and put that money twards those problems would solve all the worlds problems. And it mght even be true in the short run. But someone will pick up a club again someday and catch the world off guard.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143326 - 11/29/03 12:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Simple one?

You think the picture in my post is simplistic? I think so, as well. But advertising's simplicity also only affects simple minds. How else can you explain a giant poster depicting a product to entice consumers to purchase it? Yet, it obviously works--very effectively... much like all advertising. I mean, sexy and alluring women selling products to men definitely improves profits. It stimulates primal desires and instincts to fatten the wallets of the manipulators.

And of course we can't simply "feed the hungry" and give up our military. Our capitalist system may be exploitive, however, it is a working system. It balances itself accordingly. The link simply points out the fact our military is grossly expensive when compared to the needs of the less fortunate. It exposes the signifance we place on weapons, while neglecting the value of human life. It, however, does perfectly adhere to the capitalist system; but, I think the link also looks past any such boundary of society as the current economy. It is detailing the fact our culture is based on ignorance, power, and greed. All of which are rewarded. It clearly states an alternative needs to be sought.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143343 - 11/29/03 12:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, that article is funny. How do we solve the world's problems? well, we give up our military, a result of the world's problems.

duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

the world is militaristic because nation-states have to protect their interests, we may all be human but we have different ways of looking at the world, therefor we protect our mental soveriegnty with weapons of mass destruction, so we destruct en masse if anyone fucks with us. Or, if we are a superpower, we can destroy those who obstruct our expansion.

what the fuck is this:
-To Stabilize Population ($10.5 billion)

what is the logic behind that? what a bunch of euro-centric bullshit. How do we make the world a better place? force the world to have the same reproductive statistics as the apathetic west.

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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Positronius]
    #2143354 - 11/29/03 12:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Of course with that mentality it seems more rational to protect our "mental soveriegnty"... however, that is all dependent on the core of our cultural beliefs... which extends past particular nation-states, because all countries (or the vast majority) share the same cultural standards (capitalism, oppressive government, etc.). The article points to the flaws of the foundation. That is all. It states that the current "metal soveriegnty" we are trying to protect is not the best choice and should be replaced.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143356 - 11/29/03 12:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Other than nuking Canada and a couple of others, I tend to agree with this list. In my spare time, I will implement this list..yessss...


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Jellric]
    #2143366 - 11/29/03 12:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"that is all dependent on the core of our cultural beliefs... which extends past particular nation-states, because all countries (or the vast majority) share the same cultural standards (capitalism, oppressive government, etc.). The article points to the flaws of the foundation. That is all. It states that the current "metal soveriegnty" we are trying to protect is not the best choice and should be replaced."

I disagree. Korea and America are both capitalist democracies but that means nothing along the lines of cultural similarity. The article is completely wrong is that is its contention, Humanities problems do not arise from a similar foundation, but because we all have very different foundations.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Positronius]
    #2143370 - 11/29/03 12:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It means everything along the lines of cultural similarity. I am not talking about what we watch on TV, the latest fashion, or anything on that narrow of a scope. I am talking about the broad impacts on culture derived from capitalism and democracy.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143374 - 11/29/03 01:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

his point stands.. go open your mind somewhere


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143381 - 11/29/03 01:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The first and should be only job of the feds is to protect the states from the outside, not to care for the less fortunate. You could do a chart of how much money is given to charity in every country and the US would be on the top of that with a huge gap to second place. It is the job of charity and we seem to be doing out part.



Americans are very giving when it comes to charity. I find it astounding that the majority is given by individuals.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2143400 - 11/29/03 01:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It is a duty of the State to protect the less forunate. That is why welfare and other such institutions exist. The State realizes capitalism creates poverty as a side effect. There are supposed to be "safety nets" to help to a degree. And of course we give most to charity, we are also the world's superpower.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143403 - 11/29/03 01:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

...and I find it appaulling that the majority is given by individuals.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143406 - 11/29/03 01:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well, who else?

Corporations (groups of individuals)? What's the difference?


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143410 - 11/29/03 01:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Corporations are the most exempt from taxation and have the most available wealth to donate.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143419 - 11/29/03 01:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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ergot said:
...and I find it appaulling that the majority is given by individuals.




I see your point but it is good that while the corporations are bitches individual Americans are very caring.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143420 - 11/29/03 01:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ergot- I am not talking about what we watch on TV, the latest fashion, or anything on that narrow of a scope

cultural differences go waaaay deeper that entertainment my friend, philosophy is cultural, and philosophy dictates behaviour. Economic and Governmental systems do not change a nation's philosophy.



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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143421 - 11/29/03 01:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

that's cause they earned it. And they are individuals as well. How many corporate workers donated money as individuals and not as a corporation? Tons. Corporations are donating more than the pie tells.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143437 - 11/29/03 01:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Economic and Governmental systems do not change a nation's philosophy."

I agree to disagree with you on this one... but let me turn off my TV to stop getting bombarded with all this philosophy-altering propaganda I am getting fed to consider war in Iraq as justified... and oh, I'll be sure not to get affected by my economic system as I buy these over-priced pants the company had that one celebrity advertise...


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143440 - 11/29/03 01:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Often corp. donate resources for administrative functions to facilitate individual contributions. If corps. reinvest there profits it also helps the economy thereby making it easier for individuals to give.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143450 - 11/29/03 01:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You should choose to watch a different channel. I haven't seen anything on TV that told me the Iraq war was justified. Try BBC world. But beware! You'll be exposed to people's opinions who might be different from yours!


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    #2143451 - 11/29/03 01:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okay... I will submit to the fact corporations are also very giving, but it is still my opinion that they are also not completely concerned with human life so long as profits may suffer (think downsizing while CEOs take no paycut)... and that is a direct result of the foundations our culture were built upon.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143456 - 11/29/03 01:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"You should choose to watch a different channel. I haven't seen anything on TV that told me the Iraq war was justified. Try BBC world. But beware! You'll be exposed to people's opinions who might be different from yours!"

Sounds like you stick to one channel instead of flipping the switch to find other channels that might differ from your own opinions. :P I never said pro-war news was the only thing I've witnessed, whereas you seem to state you have only heard one viewpoint.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143459 - 11/29/03 01:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm hmmm but I don't see how you would solve the "problem" of some people being rich.


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    #2143462 - 11/29/03 01:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well, socialist-democracy? I don't know. I just think we have a self-destructing system with signs all around us... and we need an alternative. That is all I am trying to prove.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143465 - 11/29/03 01:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

not at all, my fine-feathered friend. I'm pointing out one of the many channels where you'd find the reporting is very blunt and honest about the lack of good reasons for the iraq war, just in case you were having trouble finding one. Actually, I don't even own a TV, unlike you who seem to be obsessed with it. I reccomend you get off the couch.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143467 - 11/29/03 01:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't necessarily think rich people are a problem, it's just reached a limit where the strain on our natural resources is reaching a climax, y'know? Capitalism actually works very effectively, if you look at it from an evolutionary stance and disregard human emotion. Not to mention the shrinking middle class...


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143468 - 11/29/03 01:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nothing will ever be perfect.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143469 - 11/29/03 01:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am quite obsessed with TV. It is influencing the minds of the majority--the very people some how entrusted with the power to run my country. Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer ...as they say.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143473 - 11/29/03 01:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

that's nice.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143475 - 11/29/03 01:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I agree that nothing can be perfect. And, I also think nothing can stagnate. I think change is always required and inevitable. And, finally, I think the reign of capitalism must come to an end... or perhaps just rampant consumerism? However, I think the latter will always re-surface so long as capitalism is the form of economy.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143486 - 11/29/03 01:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Okay... I will submit to the fact corporations are also very giving, but it is still my opinion that they are also not completely concerned with human life so long as profits may suffer (think downsizing while CEOs take no paycut)... and that is a direct result of the foundations our culture were built upon.




I can agree that they could do more and are profit driven. Nature of the beast.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2143489 - 11/29/03 01:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"The first and should be only job of the feds is to protect the states from the outside, not to care for the less fortunate. You could do a chart of how much money is given to charity in every country and the US would be on the top of that with a huge gap to second place. It is the job of charity and we seem to be doing out part."



ha! you think we give money out of simple charity?? hel no. we are owned by other countries. they support us, their bucks that we borrowed from them are in our national reserve, because after all, there isn't enough of what we have here to represent all the money we print.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143490 - 11/29/03 01:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Capitalism is the most democratic way.. every purchase is a vote.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143494 - 11/29/03 01:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

um..shouldn't this really be in the politics forum??


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143501 - 11/29/03 01:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That is the ideal, mixomatosis. However, the corporations now influence the vote heavily. Some one needs to do some campaign finance reform! :laugh:


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143504 - 11/29/03 01:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I meant that they influence it through advertising (err, propaganda?). Advertising needs to be regulated perhaps, or more streamlined to just "get to the point" instead of including half-naked women and the like. Just something needs to change.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143509 - 11/29/03 01:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, socialist-democracy? I don't know. I just think we have a self-destructing system with signs all around us... and we need an alternative. That is all I am trying to prove.




Is it posible that your negativity can affect the reality. Maybe not on it's own but as an individuals outlook can affedt their reality so can this.

It is a catch 22. Any society that has been very successfull has eventualy fallen has it not?


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143511 - 11/29/03 01:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

but without the advertising to drive the consumerism that our economy is based on then our economy will falter and other people will make our rules for us. Fear like a rabbit, fuck like a rabbit I say.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2143513 - 11/29/03 01:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's hard to label as negative or positive when the destruction of our environment is quite real and easily recognizable.

All societies have obviously been doomed to fail... I am just worried as to what this one will do to try and maintain its dominance (1984?).


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143557 - 11/29/03 02:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The WIPP Post-Closure Oversight regulations would indicate that the US gov. is aware that it will not be around forever and actualy cares about the people who will be around afterwords. The gov has gone to extraerdinary lengths to assure that there site is not disturbed for the next 10,000 years. Much research was done to figure out how to communicate the danger to a future people who may not speak any language common today. Records deposited in several locations around the world. Sinage at the sit on multiple depths.

This is one of the things that let me know that there are some people in the gov that care about the future outside of personal motivations.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143583 - 11/29/03 02:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

capitalism will not come to an end for a very very long time, it is the system most compatible with human nature. It allows for the most freedom, thats the bottom line. You wanna be socialist? then start up your own socialist commune, capitalist doesnt inhibit that.

and, there is nothing wrong with consumerism WHATSOEVER. what is "wrong" are the products people consume. If you went to the store and all you could find was mushroom grow-kits, the Laozi, organic tofu and rock and roll albums, you wouldnt have a problem with being a consumer.

consumerism is infinitly malleable.


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    #2143595 - 11/29/03 02:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

word.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2143833 - 11/29/03 07:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The common thread running through every culture and every country is that we are humans. We are evolved monkeys who are capable of abstract thought. We are from the same planet and we are from the same gene pool. We are all alive for the same reason, whatever that may be.

Now, if this isn't enough for people to actually try to get along with each other, than they are creating too many boundaries in their minds that are doing the seperating. If there isn't a genuine interest to acknowledge that we are all of the same and that we should make an effort to coexist as one, consciously, than what the fuck is the point?! Seriously now. What the fuck is the point?

We have this common thread that defines us all as the same. That is enough to at least motivate us to not try jumping all over each other because of the additional differences we follow. So this monkey wears this shirt and this one eats with a fork and this one with chopsticks and these monkeys don't believe in the same God. Wow! That's really a good enough to kill each other, now isn't it?!

I think we can at least agree to coexist. This doesn't mean giving up different cultures. Myself, I find many positive things within each culture, and I don't think it wouldn't hurt to share them. But even if we decide to not share them, we are still the same thing. If that isn't enough to continue advancing our life form with as much love and care as possible, than we might as all go shoot ourselves in the fucking head.

We are all meant to connect together on every level. Most of the connections are already there, we just aren't too aware of them. The ones that are left are going to take some consciousness and awareness to bring them together, and when you are aware and conscious, it is really obvious how the pieces fit.

Dissolve the mental barriers between us or don't, but at least acknowledge that they are only mental barriers and that it isn't worth killing each other over.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2144062 - 11/29/03 12:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly fireworks_god... all these structures of our society are so irrelevant when you perceive humanity as just a fragment of nature.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2144091 - 11/29/03 12:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Exactly fireworks_god... all these structures of our society are so irrelevant when you perceive humanity as just a fragment of nature. 




And the thing is, they can be relevant if we want them to be. I have no problem with one country keeping these traditions and this one keeping that one, but I don't see any point in killing each other or forcing stuff on others because of it. :grin:
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2145179 - 11/29/03 08:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

more simplification. People dont kill other people over tradition, they kill people based on ideology and economics. Its alot more complicated. Civilizations conflict for serious reasons, not petty reasons.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Positronius]
    #2145204 - 11/29/03 09:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

People always kill other people for petty reasons. The fact you and your neighbours' ideologies or thoughts on economy differ, doesn't justify his homicide.
If you think about it, how serious can you call monotheists who fight amongst themselves because the one faction's god is called 'IVHV', 'Adona?' or 'Eloh?m' and the other's is called 'Allah'? How serious can you say killing an Iraqi for the oil his country can provide yours is? How can you justify taking another man's life while claiming you're serious and sane at the same time?


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2145224 - 11/29/03 09:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I never once said it justifies anything. Try thinking about it from the subjective point of view of the agressor. America invaded Iraq for numerous reasons; security, oil, profit, strategic positioning, and to spread liberal democracy in the arab world. Is that "petty"? you may not agree with it, nor do I, but I wouldnt caterogorize a foriegn policy which is misguided by the assumption of ideological superiority as "petty".



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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Positronius]
    #2145829 - 11/30/03 04:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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...but I wouldnt caterogorize a foriegn policy which is misguided by the assumption of ideological superiority as "petty".





I would.
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