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 kaiowas
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 Re: Solution to the world's problems?  [Re: Mixomatosis]
#2143494 - 11/28/03 11:47 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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um..shouldn't this really be in the politics forum??
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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
#2143501 - 11/28/03 11:49 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is the ideal, mixomatosis. However, the corporations now influence the vote heavily. Some one needs to do some campaign finance reform! 
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
#2143504 - 11/28/03 11:51 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I meant that they influence it through advertising (err, propaganda?). Advertising needs to be regulated perhaps, or more streamlined to just "get to the point" instead of including half-naked women and the like. Just something needs to change.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
#2143509 - 11/28/03 11:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, socialist-democracy? I don't know. I just think we have a self-destructing system with signs all around us... and we need an alternative. That is all I am trying to prove.
Is it posible that your negativity can affect the reality. Maybe not on it's own but as an individuals outlook can affedt their reality so can this.
It is a catch 22. Any society that has been very successfull has eventualy fallen has it not?
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
#2143511 - 11/28/03 11:55 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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but without the advertising to drive the consumerism that our economy is based on then our economy will falter and other people will make our rules for us. Fear like a rabbit, fuck like a rabbit I say.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2143513 - 11/28/03 11:56 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's hard to label as negative or positive when the destruction of our environment is quite real and easily recognizable.
All societies have obviously been doomed to fail... I am just worried as to what this one will do to try and maintain its dominance (1984?).
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
#2143557 - 11/29/03 12:14 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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The WIPP Post-Closure Oversight regulations would indicate that the US gov. is aware that it will not be around forever and actualy cares about the people who will be around afterwords. The gov has gone to extraerdinary lengths to assure that there site is not disturbed for the next 10,000 years. Much research was done to figure out how to communicate the danger to a future people who may not speak any language common today. Records deposited in several locations around the world. Sinage at the sit on multiple depths.
This is one of the things that let me know that there are some people in the gov that care about the future outside of personal motivations.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
#2143583 - 11/29/03 12:22 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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capitalism will not come to an end for a very very long time, it is the system most compatible with human nature. It allows for the most freedom, thats the bottom line. You wanna be socialist? then start up your own socialist commune, capitalist doesnt inhibit that.
and, there is nothing wrong with consumerism WHATSOEVER. what is "wrong" are the products people consume. If you went to the store and all you could find was mushroom grow-kits, the Laozi, organic tofu and rock and roll albums, you wouldnt have a problem with being a consumer.
consumerism is infinitly malleable.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Positronius]
#2143595 - 11/29/03 12:25 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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word.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#2143833 - 11/29/03 05:35 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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The common thread running through every culture and every country is that we are humans. We are evolved monkeys who are capable of abstract thought. We are from the same planet and we are from the same gene pool. We are all alive for the same reason, whatever that may be.
Now, if this isn't enough for people to actually try to get along with each other, than they are creating too many boundaries in their minds that are doing the seperating. If there isn't a genuine interest to acknowledge that we are all of the same and that we should make an effort to coexist as one, consciously, than what the fuck is the point?! Seriously now. What the fuck is the point?
We have this common thread that defines us all as the same. That is enough to at least motivate us to not try jumping all over each other because of the additional differences we follow. So this monkey wears this shirt and this one eats with a fork and this one with chopsticks and these monkeys don't believe in the same God. Wow! That's really a good enough to kill each other, now isn't it?!
I think we can at least agree to coexist. This doesn't mean giving up different cultures. Myself, I find many positive things within each culture, and I don't think it wouldn't hurt to share them. But even if we decide to not share them, we are still the same thing. If that isn't enough to continue advancing our life form with as much love and care as possible, than we might as all go shoot ourselves in the fucking head.
We are all meant to connect together on every level. Most of the connections are already there, we just aren't too aware of them. The ones that are left are going to take some consciousness and awareness to bring them together, and when you are aware and conscious, it is really obvious how the pieces fit.
Dissolve the mental barriers between us or don't, but at least acknowledge that they are only mental barriers and that it isn't worth killing each other over.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: fireworks_god]
#2144062 - 11/29/03 10:01 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Exactly fireworks_god... all these structures of our society are so irrelevant when you perceive humanity as just a fragment of nature.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
#2144091 - 11/29/03 10:12 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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ergot said:
Exactly fireworks_god... all these structures of our society are so irrelevant when you perceive humanity as just a fragment of nature.
And the thing is, they can be relevant if we want them to be. I have no problem with one country keeping these traditions and this one keeping that one, but I don't see any point in killing each other or forcing stuff on others because of it. 
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: fireworks_god]
#2145179 - 11/29/03 06:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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more simplification. People dont kill other people over tradition, they kill people based on ideology and economics. Its alot more complicated. Civilizations conflict for serious reasons, not petty reasons.
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Positronius]
#2145204 - 11/29/03 07:03 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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People always kill other people for petty reasons. The fact you and your neighbours' ideologies or thoughts on economy differ, doesn't justify his homicide.
If you think about it, how serious can you call monotheists who fight amongst themselves because the one faction's god is called 'IVHV', 'Adona?' or 'Eloh?m' and the other's is called 'Allah'? How serious can you say killing an Iraqi for the oil his country can provide yours is? How can you justify taking another man's life while claiming you're serious and sane at the same time?
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Alan Stone]
#2145224 - 11/29/03 07:14 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never once said it justifies anything. Try thinking about it from the subjective point of view of the agressor. America invaded Iraq for numerous reasons; security, oil, profit, strategic positioning, and to spread liberal democracy in the arab world. Is that "petty"? you may not agree with it, nor do I, but I wouldnt caterogorize a foriegn policy which is misguided by the assumption of ideological superiority as "petty".
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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Positronius]
#2145829 - 11/30/03 02:45 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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...but I wouldnt caterogorize a foriegn policy which is misguided by the assumption of ideological superiority as "petty".
I would.
Peace.
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