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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143410 - 11/29/03 01:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Corporations are the most exempt from taxation and have the most available wealth to donate.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143419 - 11/29/03 01:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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...and I find it appaulling that the majority is given by individuals.




I see your point but it is good that while the corporations are bitches individual Americans are very caring.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143420 - 11/29/03 01:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ergot- I am not talking about what we watch on TV, the latest fashion, or anything on that narrow of a scope

cultural differences go waaaay deeper that entertainment my friend, philosophy is cultural, and philosophy dictates behaviour. Economic and Governmental systems do not change a nation's philosophy.



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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143421 - 11/29/03 01:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

that's cause they earned it. And they are individuals as well. How many corporate workers donated money as individuals and not as a corporation? Tons. Corporations are donating more than the pie tells.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143437 - 11/29/03 01:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Economic and Governmental systems do not change a nation's philosophy."

I agree to disagree with you on this one... but let me turn off my TV to stop getting bombarded with all this philosophy-altering propaganda I am getting fed to consider war in Iraq as justified... and oh, I'll be sure not to get affected by my economic system as I buy these over-priced pants the company had that one celebrity advertise...


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143440 - 11/29/03 01:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Often corp. donate resources for administrative functions to facilitate individual contributions. If corps. reinvest there profits it also helps the economy thereby making it easier for individuals to give.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143450 - 11/29/03 01:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You should choose to watch a different channel. I haven't seen anything on TV that told me the Iraq war was justified. Try BBC world. But beware! You'll be exposed to people's opinions who might be different from yours!


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2143451 - 11/29/03 01:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okay... I will submit to the fact corporations are also very giving, but it is still my opinion that they are also not completely concerned with human life so long as profits may suffer (think downsizing while CEOs take no paycut)... and that is a direct result of the foundations our culture were built upon.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143456 - 11/29/03 01:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"You should choose to watch a different channel. I haven't seen anything on TV that told me the Iraq war was justified. Try BBC world. But beware! You'll be exposed to people's opinions who might be different from yours!"

Sounds like you stick to one channel instead of flipping the switch to find other channels that might differ from your own opinions. :P I never said pro-war news was the only thing I've witnessed, whereas you seem to state you have only heard one viewpoint.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143459 - 11/29/03 01:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm hmmm but I don't see how you would solve the "problem" of some people being rich.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143462 - 11/29/03 01:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well, socialist-democracy? I don't know. I just think we have a self-destructing system with signs all around us... and we need an alternative. That is all I am trying to prove.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143465 - 11/29/03 01:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

not at all, my fine-feathered friend. I'm pointing out one of the many channels where you'd find the reporting is very blunt and honest about the lack of good reasons for the iraq war, just in case you were having trouble finding one. Actually, I don't even own a TV, unlike you who seem to be obsessed with it. I reccomend you get off the couch.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143467 - 11/29/03 01:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't necessarily think rich people are a problem, it's just reached a limit where the strain on our natural resources is reaching a climax, y'know? Capitalism actually works very effectively, if you look at it from an evolutionary stance and disregard human emotion. Not to mention the shrinking middle class...


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143468 - 11/29/03 01:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nothing will ever be perfect.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143469 - 11/29/03 01:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am quite obsessed with TV. It is influencing the minds of the majority--the very people some how entrusted with the power to run my country. Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer ...as they say.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143473 - 11/29/03 01:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

that's nice.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143475 - 11/29/03 01:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I agree that nothing can be perfect. And, I also think nothing can stagnate. I think change is always required and inevitable. And, finally, I think the reign of capitalism must come to an end... or perhaps just rampant consumerism? However, I think the latter will always re-surface so long as capitalism is the form of economy.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143486 - 11/29/03 01:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Okay... I will submit to the fact corporations are also very giving, but it is still my opinion that they are also not completely concerned with human life so long as profits may suffer (think downsizing while CEOs take no paycut)... and that is a direct result of the foundations our culture were built upon.




I can agree that they could do more and are profit driven. Nature of the beast.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2143489 - 11/29/03 01:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"The first and should be only job of the feds is to protect the states from the outside, not to care for the less fortunate. You could do a chart of how much money is given to charity in every country and the US would be on the top of that with a huge gap to second place. It is the job of charity and we seem to be doing out part."



ha! you think we give money out of simple charity?? hel no. we are owned by other countries. they support us, their bucks that we borrowed from them are in our national reserve, because after all, there isn't enough of what we have here to represent all the money we print.


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Re: Solution to the world's problems? [Re: ergot]
    #2143490 - 11/29/03 01:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Capitalism is the most democratic way.. every purchase is a vote.


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