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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: TrueLies]
    #21422599 - 03/17/15 06:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Man, this website is a cluster-fuck of stupid. Way too many dumb ass conservatives, i think a whole lot of you (luvdemshrooms and zappaisgod especially) would actually love the KKK and should probably try it out.




The KKK ain't all bad. They throw killer BBQ's!


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21422619 - 03/17/15 06:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

And they support LGBT rights!


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: mpd]
    #21422638 - 03/17/15 06:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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And they support LGBT rights!




Of course! Why wouldn't they!?!


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21422875 - 03/17/15 06:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I mean, they do tend to wear skirts :shrug:


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21422898 - 03/17/15 06:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The kkk is a perfect example of liberal "thinking" They demonize it because of what some former members of the group did or may have done decades ago. As far as that goes, both dems and gop have some skeletons in their closets if you go back a ways. In fact you don't have to go back that far, nearly every year members of each party are arrested for things ranging from child molestation, to theft and abuse of office.

But if you ask a lib what is wrong with advocating equal rights for white people, they say "kkk" like that ends the argument and they won. If you ask what is wrong with kkk, they say "everyone knows what is wrong" They have it in their sheep like mind that equal rights for whites is the same as racism. The media tells them so and they do not like to question authority figures.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21423265 - 03/17/15 07:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

:woah: Being in the KKK is not having a skeleton in your closet.  It is a crime against humanity.  I am afraid you have been suckered in by their modern day PR fronts, but you've gotta read between the lines here.  Nobody is being hurt by keeping the KKK and their policies out of our school.  They are a classic example of a "hate group". 

I realize liberals aren't perfect but c'mon now.  Feminists are not nazis and gays are not sending you to some Stalinist bootcamp.  Alot of the stuff people care about in college might seem really sappy and be too intellectual for you, so don't go to college.  Join the military or something, actually that sounds like a great alternative for someone who doesn't want sensitivity training, but they probably do at least a little bit even there, even if they don't usually take it seriously.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21423431 - 03/17/15 08:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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How would black people feel if they had to attend a white sensitivity class?




They would scream white oppression.




There is no need for that. There is no such thing as black privilege. Black people live under your racism daily. They cannot escape it, its part of their life. It's impossible to see things from their perspective because you haven't lived their experience. Here is an article that describes so many of you (shroomerites) it's scary.
http://www.alternet.org/culture/why-white-people-freak-out-when-theyre-called-out-about-race#.VQW4Rw5fyEk.facebook




Interesting article but... quite the veto. We're all fragile and become angry.

"Think about it like this: from the time I opened my eyes, I have been told that as a white person, I am superior to people of color"
"White people can’t tolerate it. And we punish it severely—from job loss, to violence, to murder."

Growing up around here is different then.
1. You will accept everyone or you will get fired.
2. If you don't like the people here, leave the country yourself.
3. I fall under the demographic group of lower class.

For the first, yes it's inherently sad that it's a mechanic implented to counter racism. If being skilled in a profession doesn't command respect over skin tone you should fuck off really, i'll take a black mans well cut prime anyday of the week thank you.
Second, with 170+ nationalities in this country you know how ridiculous borders sound nowadays? Everyones welcome =/ feeling welcome indeed but our shared societies are pretty brandnew. It's annoying that it's multi and not interculture. I really wonder what his opinion is on what's going to happen the next 100 years since for most countries the only thing that keeps the population from stagnating is immigration.

Let the old people die off. 2030ish will see the last of the Boomer era? Kthxbye, take your shitworldview with you.

I have two friends who are still somewhat racist and have a very racist father
My stepdad would love to put "them all" in a container and dump them in the sea for all the "problems"

:rolleyes: as you can see those are some very outdated and ignorant views. Truely, I hope it's part of a growing society.

But other then that... Whenever I have this discussion in my interracial classroom the whites are baffled since they've accepted everyone as part of current society and therefore cannot fathom the problems coloured encounter daily and the coloured angry because they rebuilt the country I live in today and only receive racism in return.

What gets to me is that many problems many people encounter on a daily basis just the same for me and then I get angry indeed :lol:

"You endure this but so do I and what can I do about it?" Articles right, I can't ever see it from that POV. Simply because "race" is not the endall.
For well-established people skin tone certainly kicks in doors, I believe it. For growing up in a marginalized group in white society, no, not really.

Owell this will just be branded white denial :frown:

TLDR:
Abolish all borders
Inhabitants of Earth
Interculture please

PS: Imagine sleeping with 176 women, all with different nationalities :datass: :datass: :datass:
no? Not cool? Man you suck, foreign women best women :lolsy:
Oh and to be ontopic: they can be LGBT, I don't mind :naughty:

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21424398 - 03/17/15 09:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Just as I predicted, the usual liberal knee jerk reaction

>Being in the KKK is not having a skeleton in your closet.  It is a crime against humanity

What nonsense. If one of them commits a crime, they get prosecuted

>I am afraid you have been suckered in by their modern day PR fronts, but you've gotta read between the lines here

Oh now its " you've gotta read between the lines" meaning pay no attention to what they say or do, instead substitute your already made up mind for reality

>Nobody is being hurt by keeping the KKK and their policies out of our school

No one except those in the groups you deem unacceptable. Substitute "naacp" for kkk and see how much you like it?

>They are a classic example of a "hate group". 

Evidence or are we just supposed to take your word for it? Something within recent years, not 80 years ago.

>Feminists are not Nazis

Sometimes they act like it.

I'm not saying the kkk is a great group, I don't know that much about the modern klan. You say pay no attention to their pr so they must be saying the right things if you want us to ignore it. Its simply a matter of basic rights for all. If you only defend the rights of the groups you agree with, you are being a hypocrite.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21425885 - 03/18/15 09:16 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd call you an independent.  You actually seem like a reasonable guy.  I don't even think this is really a Liberal/conservative issue.  I think plenty of conservatives are on the same page.  Even at that school there are plenty of Christians and right wingers who have no problems with this class. 

I mean who know, maybe it will be a really well thought out and balanced approach to the issue.  Maybe they will give the opportunity for people to raise their objections in an appropriate way.  They can make you go because they are involved in the college student body, which has it's own government within the larger government.  If you have a problem with the code of conduct of that University that is one thing, but nobody can make you attend there.

I mean I guess I think a more applicable issue would be that this also happens in high schools, that is actually mandatory.  I mean I'm not sure if I had to attend specific training on not misgendering people, but cultural sensitivity classes and seminars are common, and often they focus on a specific group. 

If this isn't well thought out and is ineffective or a waste of precious resources that is a problem, I can agree there, but I don't see the problem with sensitivity training in general.  Sure, people can be tougher and it isn't our problem so why should we care, but we could also just be a bit nicer to eachother.  It isn't as if we need to protect the sacred arts of bullying others, that comes naturally to people.




"I don't see the problem with sensitivity training in general"

That's fine, just don't force it on everyone else.  Maybe you need "sensitivity training" to deal with people different than yourself, myself and many others don't.    :shrug:

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: qman]
    #21426031 - 03/18/15 10:08 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The trouble with extreme leftists is they see nothing wrong with forcing people to comply with their beliefs. The left leans toward communism and totalitarianism, the center and right leans toward capitalism and free enterprise. Its like the difference between north and south korea.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21426055 - 03/18/15 10:15 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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The trouble with extreme leftists is they see nothing wrong with forcing people to comply with their beliefs. The left leans toward communism and totalitarianism, the center and right leans toward capitalism and free enterprise. Its like the difference between north and south korea.




Moon continues to fail to address the points that are being made in this thread.

I understand that gay children are teased and bullied by their peers and that leaves a lot of scars, when they become adults they want revenge to a certain degree, that's what a lot of this PC bullshit is about, "fix my difficult childhood".

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: qman]
    #21426978 - 03/18/15 02:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

South Korea is quite socialist, and the North recently has disavowed at least Stalinist influenced communism in favor of some sort of secretive oligarchy based on how much Kim Jong Dick you suck.  I would love to talk about that with you, maybe I will start another thread on it in a bit.

I will admit that there are more points in this thread that I can address right now, but if there's something I missed or glossed over you want my take on let me know.

Sometimes bullying is directed at people who later go on to be successful and happy, but it can also be detrimental to a person.  We are not exactly past the day where someone can be killed or beat for being gay, and that should bother everyone.  Alot of people believe that the mentality which encourages verbal aggression towards gays on religious grounds is not so far off from the one that will condone or diminish physical violence against gays.  This is kinda why people say that bullying is a form of violence.

You can call it PC bullshit, but what is the enemy of PC bullshit?  Believe it or not it is not just angsty teenagers who are too cool, too obstinate, or too bored to sit through a sensitivity training seminar.  I'm not sure what kind of life you lead and how much you were bullied yourself, but you can't say it doesn't happen and just because you don't care enough about someone else's solution it doesn't excuse you from participating if you are a student leader and the proposed rules are passed at GWU. 

I honestly doubt any of them are really bullies.  That is not why they are being asked to take the class, they are student leaders.  The theory is that by creating strong leaders they can have a larger impact on LGBT harassment without making everyone take a seminar. 

I really don't get the whole "if you won't do it then don't make anyone else" because they can make things mandatory at schools for pretty arbitrary reasons.  It is clear that this group doesn't have a problem with sensitivity training even, it is just certain aspects of the training they disagree with.  If you think sensitivity training is for pussies or violated your rights that is beside the issue.

Here is what the YAF said:
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“Mandated training is not really being very tolerant of all religious beliefs,” Jashinsky said. “The way that people who are deeply Christian behave is for a reason, and if you’re training them to change that behavior, there’s obviously a problem with that.”




Now that may be true but it doesn't explain why they can't attend.  It only hints that they think some of the behavior covered at this seminar is excused because of their religion, which apparently it isn't.  This isn't because they don't believe bullying exists or that gays should be tougher and just handle it, it is because they believe gays are an abomination therefore any negative attention that is directed towards them by those claiming affiliation with Christ is well deserved. 

If this isn't what they're trying to say, maybe someone could clear it up for me, and explain what this has to do with abolishing everything that can be viewed as PC.  It seems to me like the YAF are asking for PCness of a different sort that really only caters to their very limited scope of social justice.

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