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InvisibleJohn NadaDiscord
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Soldering PCB's and chips
    #21405412 - 03/14/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Do I really need a soldering station? How big of a difference will it make using one you just plug into the wall? I haven't soldered anything since I was a kid and am trying to get set up


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: John Nada]
    #21405813 - 03/14/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

For fine work / tiny parts, you need something with a small tip. If you only solder occasionally and it's only through-hole components and dip chips, you may be able to get by with a simple iron. But if you plan on doing some more soldering and if your projects frequently involve soldering chips of any kind, you'll find yourself looking at a decent Weller station pretty soon.


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: koraks]
    #21406634 - 03/14/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #21406698 - 03/14/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I've tried those. I stuck with the sponge.


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #21407713 - 03/14/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

That's like a crack pipe.


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: koraks]
    #21408027 - 03/14/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, if I need to keep soldering on a regular basis I'll just get a station. Starting a project and it could definitely get me sucked into it, haha. But yeah, I just wanted to know if I could get by with plugging one into the wall for now though.

I guess if I have a good 40w iron and just some good tips I might be fine either way though. I guess my concern was frying chips and stuff


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: John Nada]
    #21418080 - 03/16/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

> Do I really need a soldering station? How big of a difference will it make using one you just plug into the wall?

Depends upon what you are doing.  If you are doing anything complex or soldering larger thermal masses (into a large ground plane, etc), you will want a decent soldering station.  If you are playing around, you can get by with the cheapo iron for a while.  Both Hakko and Weller make nice stations that won't break the bank, while JBC is top of the line (and expensive).  If you go for a station, be sure you get proper tips (chisel tips are the best for most work) and avoid the cheap Chinese clones.


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: Seuss]
    #21418256 - 03/16/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, thanks man. I want to solder directly to the pins of DC-DC converters rather than putting them in some perf board. Just wanted to be careful since they're $20 a pop.


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: John Nada]
    #21457830 - 03/25/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I just got back into electronics and am using a cheap iron. for some reason, it won't melt the solder on some boards. Do some electronics have a higher melting point?


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: Juggernaut0504]
    #21458070 - 03/25/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, it depends on the solder that's used. Particularly RoHS compliant lead free solder had a significantly higher melting point.


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: Juggernaut0504]
    #21458406 - 03/26/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

> I'm told that ill have very high latency and first person shooters will not work well.

It can also be caused by the board.  If the pad that you are trying to melt is attached to a large ground plane or other large thermal mass, your iron may not have enough "umph" to heat stuff faster than the board (or part) are cooling them down (dissipating the heat).


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: Seuss]
    #21462483 - 03/26/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Get a weller 60watt analog workstation.


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: encryptor]
    #21468912 - 03/28/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I've had the same weller wes51 solder station for years, and the only thing I have ever needed to replace is the wand.
http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WES51-Analog-Soldering-Station/dp/B000BRC2XU

All you need is a damp sponge and a tip tinner/cleaner to keep the tip pristine for ages.
http://www.radioshack.com/radioshack-tip-tinner-and-cleaner-0-5-oz-/6400020.html#.VRZgAY5SX4t

All this should last a lifetime(except the tinner) and you'll find plenty of uses for it other than one specific project.


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Re: Soldering PCB's and chips [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21498314 - 04/03/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

A cheap $10 soldering pencil is generally enough for older boards.

Unless you are extracting surface mounted chips (or working with them without a SMD->PCB converter, which are cheap as hell) there's no reason for anything else.

I have a reflow station, but that's because I like to steal parts from old equipment people think are junk :laugh:

Oh, and clean the metal and solder well, beforehand, and use lots of flux (even with the rosin core stuff). That's helped me with every type of board so far (otherwise I've had it not sick or had problems with solder trails).

EDIT: Oh, one more thing... Heat the wire, then apply the solder.


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