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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21414060 - 03/15/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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No experiments are run and climate modeling has not successfully predicted anything.  Ergo, not science.



The "experiment" that is run for climate change is simply to watch the climate and compare it against the models, after which time the models are updated to make them more accurate.

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Tell me again how much education is required for entertainment jobs?  Or journalism?  Not as much as mining, construction, agriculture, oil gas and coal.  I don't know what they mean by separating out tobacco.




According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, here is the entry level education required for various professions:

Reporters, Correspondents, and Broadcast News Analysts:  Bachelor’s degree
Actors:  Some college
Camera Operators:  Bachelor's degree
Multimedia Artists and Animators:  Bachelor's degree
Producers and Directors:  Bachelor’s degree
Construction laborer:  None
Painters, construction and maintenance:  None
Excavator:  High school diploma
Agricultural Worker:  None
Tobacco Processing:  None

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How are MSNBC's rating, anyway?



Ratings have nothing to do with quality of news.  Studies show MSNBC viewers are better informed than Fox viewers.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21414533 - 03/16/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

People just like to fool themselves into believing it is not happening.
Maybe out of fear, or inertia, or possibly petty greed.

But it is happening, no doubt about that. Now either we can all work together as a species to do something about it, or continue with our business as usual. Our choice, really.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21414611 - 03/16/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I wish I didn't live in an age where so many big choices had to be made, but on the other hand, the majority of people historically have not had any choices. Between the mind-forged manicals of religion, and the authoritarian rule of kings and slavers etc.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #21417504 - 03/16/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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No experiments are run and climate modeling has not successfully predicted anything.  Ergo, not science.



The "experiment" that is run for climate change is simply to watch the climate and compare it against the models, after which time the models are updated to make them more accurate.




Give me a fucking call when that happens.
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Tell me again how much education is required for entertainment jobs?  Or journalism?  Not as much as mining, construction, agriculture, oil gas and coal.  I don't know what they mean by separating out tobacco.




According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, here is the entry level education required for various professions:

Reporters, Correspondents, and Broadcast News Analysts:  Bachelor’s degree
Actors:  Some college
Camera Operators:  Bachelor's degree
Multimedia Artists and Animators:  Bachelor's degree
Producers and Directors:  Bachelor’s degree
Construction laborer:  None
Painters, construction and maintenance:  None
Excavator:  High school diploma
Agricultural Worker:  None
Tobacco Processing:  None




You don't need any of those things.  It is harder to be a plumber than all of them.  Here is what the BLS says about these things you call "requirements"

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Entry-level Education

Typical level of education that most workers need to enter this occupation.




That doesn't sound like a requirement to me. 
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How are MSNBC's rating, anyway?



Ratings have nothing to do with quality of news.  Studies show MSNBC viewers are better informed than Fox viewers.




That stupid lie again?  Last one I saw with this nonsense said that people who ONLY watch Fox News were less informed.  What is you leftists boner with the one news channel that gets a small percentage of the news watching public that happens to be conservative.  Oh wait, I know the answer.  You want to shut upeverybody who doesn't parrot your lies and pablum.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #21418035 - 03/16/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

> The "experiment" that is run for climate change is simply to watch the climate and compare it against the models, after which time the models are updated to make them more accurate.

Computer models extrapolate future data points based upon a mathematical function and historic data points.  Extrapolation is inherently error prone.  Computer models are also some of the easiest "methods" to falsify; don't like where the model is going, change a variable or two or slightly adjust how the data is used until the model morphs to support your thesis.

If computer models were any good at reliably predicting the future, there would be a whole bunch of very wealthy computer scientists playing the stock market.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21418361 - 03/16/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, here is the entry level education required for various professions:

Reporters, Correspondents, and Broadcast News Analysts:  Bachelor’s degree
Actors:  Some college
Camera Operators:  Bachelor's degree
Multimedia Artists and Animators:  Bachelor's degree
Producers and Directors:  Bachelor’s degree
Construction laborer:  None
Painters, construction and maintenance:  None
Excavator:  High school diploma
Agricultural Worker:  None
Tobacco Processing:  None




You don't need any of those things.  Here is what the BLS says about these things you call "requirements"

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Entry-level Education

Typical level of education that most workers need to enter this occupation.




That doesn't sound like a requirement to me. 



Sorry, I should have said "needed by most workers" rather than "required".  The point was that people in those professions have more college.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Seuss]
    #21418455 - 03/16/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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> The "experiment" that is run for climate change is simply to watch the climate and compare it against the models, after which time the models are updated to make them more accurate.

Computer models extrapolate future data points based upon a mathematical function and historic data points.  Extrapolation is inherently error prone.  Computer models are also some of the easiest "methods" to falsify; don't like where the model is going, change a variable or two or slightly adjust how the data is used until the model morphs to support your thesis.

If computer models were any good at reliably predicting the future, there would be a whole bunch of very wealthy computer scientists playing the stock market.




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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Seuss]
    #21419028 - 03/17/15 02:49 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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If computer models were any good at reliably predicting the future, there would be a whole bunch of very wealthy computer scientists playing the stock market.




There are a bunch of wealthy computer gurus making millions on the stock market. They automatically do the trading for wealthy investors. The stock market has more unpredictable variables than the climate. They are not mathematical problems, and there is no force or law of nature behind them. There is marketing, supply and demand, the whim of a given population, the economic strength of different classes within a society, new innovations that haven't been accounted for, etc.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #21419047 - 03/17/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Computer models are also some of the easiest "methods" to falsify; don't like where the model is going, change a variable or two or slightly adjust how the data is used until the model morphs to support your thesis.



Did you know there is more than one person modeling the climate?  And that those who fudge their models are quickly discredited when their models aren't as good as those who don't fudge?  :shrug:


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21419295 - 03/17/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Looking things over, I've noticed some people are arguing that climate change in and of itself is a lie. Let's get one thing straight, there is no debate within the scientific community, government institutions, or even industrial institutions on whether or not climate change is occuring. It is. The debate has shifted to whether or not it is a man-made event, out of greed and corporate interest. We are no longer questioning the validity of climate change, unless you're a fringe nut who's still chewing yesterdays cud, you understand this.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21419317 - 03/17/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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The "experiment" that is run for climate change is simply to watch the climate and compare it against the models, after which time the models are updated to make them more accurate. reflect the desired outcome.




Fixed.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21419342 - 03/17/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

On what basis is that true lds? Your own speculation and personal bias, or theirs?


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21420285 - 03/17/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

A combination of several thing... bias free.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21421983 - 03/17/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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The "experiment" that is run for climate change is simply to watch the climate and compare it against the models, after which time the models are updated to make them more accurate. reflect the desired outcome.




Fixed.



You're saying that the climate scientists who model climate are liars?  How many of them do you know?  That's a bold statement considering you can't back it up.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21422039 - 03/17/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Mann is.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21422191 - 03/17/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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The "experiment" that is run for climate change is simply to watch the climate and compare it against the models, after which time the models are updated to make them more accurate. reflect the desired outcome.




Fixed.



You're saying that the climate scientists who model climate are liars?




Not all of them.


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How many of them do you know?




Personally? None. That's why I didn't say all. I would have to know each and every one to say they all lie.


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  That's a bold statement considering you can't back it up.




It would be if I had said all. Alas, your butthurt did you in again.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21422716 - 03/17/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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The "experiment" that is run for climate change is simply to watch the climate and compare it against the models, after which time the models are updated to make them more accurate. reflect the desired outcome.




Fixed.



You're saying that the climate scientists who model climate are liars?  How many of them do you know?  That's a bold statement considering you can't back it up.



It would be if I had said all. Alas, your butthurt did you in again.



Then why did you say that you "fixed" my statement above?  I was referring to how most scientists operate.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21423136 - 03/17/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

> Did you know there is more than one person modeling the climate?  And that those who fudge their models are quickly discredited when their models aren't as good as those who don't fudge?  :shrug:

How do you discredit a model that is predicting years into the future?  By the time we catch up with the predictions, if they are wrong, well, there is now a newer, more accurate model to take the place of the old one.  :rolleyes:

Take global warming out of it; computer models that predict future events extrapolate and extrapolation is very error prone.


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Seuss]
    #21423473 - 03/17/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

You can discredit the models that make predictions about fucking yesterday


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Re: Global Warming Data Scandal: how will world government respond? [Re: Seuss]
    #21424415 - 03/17/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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> Did you know there is more than one person modeling the climate?  And that those who fudge their models are quickly discredited when their models aren't as good as those who don't fudge?  :shrug:

How do you discredit a model that is predicting years into the future?  By the time we catch up with the predictions, if they are wrong, well, there is now a newer, more accurate model to take the place of the old one.  :rolleyes:

Take global warming out of it; computer models that predict future events extrapolate and extrapolation is very error prone.




It's obvious you are a scientist. I wanted to go into science but seeing how disingenuous many scientists are behaving regarding the manmade global warming con, I opted out of that career. I couldn't bear to be associated with people who had clearly put an agenda before objective scientific investigation.

Please tell me, how do you cope with the seeing how the good name of science is being perverted by these charlatans?


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