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Jeff Vader
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Helping others with bad trips
#21410431 - 03/15/15 08:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its been a while since I have tripped with a trip "novice". A good friend of mine I hadn't seen in months.
Long story short we decided take on some homegrown shrooms last night. He had a incredibly hard trip. He was so wasted that he couldn't even light his own cigarette. I tried to help him by breaking it down into milestones. i.e. do you have a lighter? yes, can you see the cigarettes, yes, take one out of the box etc. etc. Apart from that out of it, he was in a loop and would say out loud things like why is everybody laughing at me? Then would profusely apologies for who he is. As soon as I was sympathetic he would accuse me of controlling time and I should stop it. Then roll around in the fetal making groaning sounds.
I tried my best to guide him but feel I let him down a bit as the dose was my recommendation and the whole trip my idea.
What do you guys do to help a friend in need at the peak?
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Edited by Jeff Vader (03/15/15 08:24 AM)
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Re: Helping others with bad trips [Re: Jeff Vader]
#21410547 - 03/15/15 09:04 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well it helps sometimes when you remind them there just on mushrooms and they will come down soon. But if they are too far gone they wont get it or you have to keep reminding them. That mostly has helped ime when they get paranoid thoughts like mindcontrol, people laughing at them, ect.. Sometimes good upbeat but mellow music can help to chill them out.
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Re: Helping others with bad trips [Re: Mental Taco]
#21410562 - 03/15/15 09:11 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh ya and always remember set and setting.
My most calming high doses were always out in nature around a camp fire. The fire has a hypnotic calming effect that calms the mindfuck. When the visual started to get to intense, i would just lay in the comfy grass and look up at the trees moving swaying and channeling energy up through them up towards all the beautiful stars if on a clear night. Ahh good times fireside at night. Have never had badtrips in those kinds of settings nor have a witnessed any of the 10 or so others who have taken journeys with me to my fire ring.
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Re: Helping others with bad trips [Re: Mental Taco]
#21410652 - 03/15/15 09:38 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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What you wanna do is distract them by making them laugh. I always do a funny dance or something, or reenacting a scene from a funny movie. NEVER ask them questions of concern, like "Are you okay?" "Do you need help?" That makes them panic even more.
After they cheer up, go to a different room, or go for a walk. Set and setting is everything. Changing rooms can DRASTICALLY alter a trip. Remind them about the good times you've had together. The person should be doing better after that.
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Re: Helping others with bad trips [Re: Kinshino]
#21410957 - 03/15/15 11:08 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kinshino said: What you wanna do is distract them by making them laugh. I always do a funny dance or something, or reenacting a scene from a funny movie. NEVER ask them questions of concern, like "Are you okay?" "Do you need help?" That makes them panic even more.
After they cheer up, go to a different room, or go for a walk. Set and setting is everything. Changing rooms can DRASTICALLY alter a trip. Remind them about the good times you've had together. The person should be doing better after that. 
That sounds like it could work pretty well.
I have only had it happen to me once, however I basically just tried to remind him that he was on mushrooms and was fine and it will wear off and all will be good again.
However I was also on mushrooms and he was convinced I too was as far gone as he was and I was in no state to be making sure all is fine  When he started to come down he realized he was being silly though.
If I am busy tripping and things become a bit intense or uncomfortable / unpleasant I simply go somewhere where I am more comfortable and do something which makes me happy and comfortable. Be it go and sit in a quiet place by myself, go for a walk in the garden or call someone and speak to them
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Edited by PsyCLown89 (03/15/15 11:09 AM)
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Re: Helping others with bad trips [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21411144 - 03/15/15 12:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You did your best, it's good that you let him ramble and roll around as long as he needed to. It is really helpful when you can just let your friends work through the mindfuck and being far too high. For novices don't dose them over like 2.8, 2.5 is probably ideal. 3.5 grams can lead to intense babysitting and bad experiences for people who can't handle that strong of a high. What dose did you end up giving him? Outside of a lower dose, you can put on some upbeat chill music when things were going rough for him, other than that you did your best, the dose was just to much for him. My friend with tons of experience like over a decade can still get stuck on repeat and get destroyed somewhat like your friend. we are more experienced so we know it goes with the territory, it still happens though.
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Re: Helping others with bad trips [Re: Jeff Vader]
#21411817 - 03/15/15 02:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Am I the only one that laughed a little bit when reading the original post? Maybe I'm just high...
I haven't really dealt with helping a friend out of a bad trip luckily, but if I were you I would have changed his scenery a bit. I feel like people get into thought loops and it can be hard to break them, but when tripping your attention span is greatly reduced... So it's like a paradox. It can be hard to break a thought loop, but at the same time your attention span is greatly reduced. So how do you manipulate this? Change setting, and it will change the mindset.
I would've hugged your bro, and said "Don't apologize for being amazing. We are incredible, even if we've made mistakes." And then take him outside to look at the stars or some shit.
I feel like bad trips can be reduced by changing the setting is what I'm trying to say.
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Re: Helping others with bad trips [Re: SomeGuyX]
#21415432 - 03/16/15 11:10 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I spoke to him today, took him a day to get his head around it all.
Turns out he was coking up an 8 ball in the bathroom since the morning he arrived. He says he did this out of respect for my sobriety, being a recovering coke addict myself so thats cool with me. I normally don't allow the powder in my house at all these days. If I had known this I wouldn't have suggested the trip in the first place.
Coke having the ability to make the most laid back guy an egotistical maniac. That combined with the shrooms "egolessness" was a stupid idea from the start. Kinda like taking a handful of uppers and downers at the same time then chasing it with whiskey. All makes sense now, since set and setting was my responsibility being my house/shrooms etc. I dont feel like I let him down, this guy has helped me out more times in sticky situations than I can count back in our wilder days but mixing shrooms and powder is just dumb and he should have known better which he admitted.
Coke + shrooms = not the best idea
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