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Update 4/20/15: Drug buying robot released by authorities 1
#21413656 - 03/15/15 10:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Update 4/20/15: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/technology/robot-that-bought-mdma-passport-and-baseball-cap-released-by-authorities-31150495.html
http://fusion.net/story/35883/robots-are-starting-to-break-the-law-and-nobody-knows-what-to-do-about-it/
Maybe it’s a sign that robots are growing up, and thus hitting the rebellious stage.
The Random Darknet Shopper, an automated online shopping bot with a budget of $100 a week in Bitcoin, is programmed to do a very specific task: go to one particular marketplace on the Deep Web and make one random purchase a week with the provided allowance. The purchases have all been compiled for an art show in Zurich, Switzerland titled The Darknet: From Memes to Onionland, which runs through January 11.
The concept would be all gravy if not for one thing: the programmers came home one day to find a shipment of 10 ecstasy pills, followed by an apparently very legit falsified Hungarian passport– developments which have left some observers of the bot’s blog a little uneasy.
If this bot was shipping to the U.S., asks Forbes contributor and University of Washington law professor contributor Ryan Calo, who would be legally responsible for purchasing the goodies? The coders? Or the bot itself?
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In the U.S., Calo ponders, criminal law is statutory, meaning that the wording of the law itself would have to be taken into consideration.
“If, for instance, the law says a person may not knowingly purchase pirated merchandise or drugs, there is an argument that the artists did not violate the law,” he said. “Whereas if the law says the person may not engage in this behavior recklessly, then the artists may well be found guilty, since they released the bot into an environment where they could be substantially certain some unlawful outcome would occur.”
But, Calo adds, since the program was being made for an art show, “I presume they even wanted the bot to yield illegal contraband to make the installation more exciting. Wanting a bad outcome doesn’t make it illegal (you cannot wish someone to death), but purposefully leaving the bot in the darknet until it yielded contraband seems hard to distinguish from intent.”
For their part, coders Carmen Weisskopf and Domagoj Smoljo say that they are assuming full responsibility for the bot’s actions and for the illegal contraband, even though the gallery is ironically located next door to a police station.
“We are the legal owner of the drugs – we are responsible for everything the bot does, as we executed the code,” Smoljo told the Guardian. “But our lawyer and the Swiss constitution says art in the public interest is allowed to be free.”
Fine. Yet that still leaves Calo’s worries unaccounted for. As of now, it is still unclear what the implications of cases like this will have for our future interactions with robots and machines.
“What seems more and more clear is that issues like these will go from hypotheticals, to art installations, to everyday facts of life,” he said. “And I have to wonder how ready we are.”
Update on 1/16: The Random Darknet Shopper just got seized by Swiss authorities, who at least waited until the art show was over before moving in. On the bot’s blog, organizers posted the following statement:
On the morning of January 12, the day after the three-month exhibition was closed, the public prosecutor’s office of St. Gallen seized and sealed our work. It seems, the purpose of the confiscation is to impede an endangerment of third parties through the drugs exhibited by destroying them. This is what we know at present. We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art. We’d also like to thank Kunst Halle St. Gallen for their ongoing support and the wonderful collaboration. Furthermore, we are convinced, that it is an objective of art to shed light on the fringes of society and to pose fundamental contemporary questions.
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Edited by Alan Rockefeller (04/20/15 03:24 PM)
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: SurReality] 1
#21414192 - 03/16/15 12:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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obviously NOT a sign that "robots are getting rebellious"...
also this statement is bogus
“What seems more and more clear is that issues like these will go from hypotheticals, to art installations, to everyday facts of life,” he said. “And I have to wonder how ready we are.”
nobody uses randomized shopping bots
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: morrowasted]
#21414293 - 03/16/15 12:51 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea I found the subject pretty interesting. Getting programs to do simple illegal things. People benefit but aren't actually responsible...
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: morrowasted]
#21414328 - 03/16/15 01:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obviously the bot's gonna land on drugs and buy them. There's no robot rebellion here. Just a shopping bot left on the darknet, which is full of drugs and illegal material. Weird art project if you ask me... At the very least why not do the same thing, but on ebay or amazon instead?
The "bot" is just text written by these dudes. Accidentally breaking the law is breaking the law.
Also, if I send an infant to the hood with a budget and tell him to ask strangers "whatchu got?". I'm responsible for what happens to him, what drugs he brings back, and I'll be in more trouble with the law than he will.
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: Junior Fungus]
#21414969 - 03/16/15 08:42 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Junior Fungus said: Obviously the bot's gonna land on drugs and buy them. There's no robot rebellion here. Just a shopping bot left on the darknet, which is full of drugs and illegal material. Weird art project if you ask me... At the very least why not do the same thing, but on ebay or amazon instead?
The "bot" is just text written by these dudes. Accidentally breaking the law is breaking the law.
Also, if I send an infant to the hood with a budget and tell him to ask strangers "whatchu got?". I'm responsible for what happens to him, what drugs he brings back, and I'll be in more trouble with the law than he will.
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: Junior Fungus]
#21414992 - 03/16/15 08:51 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Junior Fungus said: Obviously the bot's gonna land on drugs and buy them. There's no robot rebellion here. Just a shopping bot left on the darknet, which is full of drugs and illegal material. Weird art project if you ask me... At the very least why not do the same thing, but on ebay or amazon instead?
The "bot" is just text written by these dudes. Accidentally breaking the law is breaking the law.
Also, if I send an infant to the hood with a budget and tell him to ask strangers "whatchu got?". I'm responsible for what happens to him, what drugs he brings back, and I'll be in more trouble with the law than he will.
yea but what if you do this with an adult?
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: morrowasted]
#21415777 - 03/16/15 12:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I had the money and wanted to get weird and random I would totally use a random drug bot.. It would be interesting to open the mail and say "Hey I guess we are doing exctasy this weekend!" Although, I would have to program in to avoid heroin at least. "Oh no.. Not jenkem again..."
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: SurReality]
#21416326 - 03/16/15 02:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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SurReality said:
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Junior Fungus said: Obviously the bot's gonna land on drugs and buy them. There's no robot rebellion here. Just a shopping bot left on the darknet, which is full of drugs and illegal material. Weird art project if you ask me... At the very least why not do the same thing, but on ebay or amazon instead?
The "bot" is just text written by these dudes. Accidentally breaking the law is breaking the law.
Also, if I send an infant to the hood with a budget and tell him to ask strangers "whatchu got?". I'm responsible for what happens to him, what drugs he brings back, and I'll be in more trouble with the law than he will.
yea but what if you do this with an adult?
Well Charles Manson got life in prison for making people kill for him. He never killed anyone himself. He was just the mastermind. Also, if you tell an autistic adult to commit a crime, he doesn't know any better, so if I were the judge I'd blame you for his actions.
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: Faustoid]
#21419499 - 03/17/15 07:47 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Faustoid said: If I had the money and wanted to get weird and random I would totally use a random drug bot.. It would be interesting to open the mail and say "Hey I guess we are doing exctasy this weekend!" Although, I would have to program in to avoid heroin at least. "Oh no.. Not jenkem again..."
That is completely different. That is designing a program to intentionally break the law. That is not a robot doing something that is supposedly unintended.
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: morrowasted]
#21420433 - 03/17/15 01:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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morrowasted said:
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Faustoid said: If I had the money and wanted to get weird and random I would totally use a random drug bot.. It would be interesting to open the mail and say "Hey I guess we are doing exctasy this weekend!" Although, I would have to program in to avoid heroin at least. "Oh no.. Not jenkem again..."
That is completely different. That is designing a program to intentionally break the law. That is not a robot doing something that is supposedly unintended.
That's why I called it a drug bot. Not a shopping bot. My comment was a bit off topic though for sure.
Edit: my damn phone keeps auto correcting the word bot. Grr.
Edited by Faustoid (03/17/15 01:14 PM)
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: SurReality]
#21423106 - 03/17/15 07:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck those guys.
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: SurReality]
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#21572749 - 04/20/15 05:54 PM (9 years, 30 days ago) |
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Who took the passport pic?
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Re: Robots are starting to break the law and nobody knows what to do about it by Daniel Rivero [Re: dark3st]
#21572964 - 04/20/15 06:57 PM (9 years, 30 days ago) |
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I'm also confused, they say in the update article that the MDMA was confiscated. Is having a fake hungarian passport not illegal in switzerland?
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Re: Update 4/20/15: Drug buying robot released by authorities [Re: SurReality]
#21573888 - 04/20/15 10:52 PM (9 years, 29 days ago) |
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The nerds that made that thing must have a lot of spare time....
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