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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: millzy]
    #21407536 - 03/14/15 03:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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So substitute any subject. Unless you require all to attend classes against their will, you require no-one.

It doesn't matter how good the intentions. You don't ask others to do what you would be unwilling to do.




can you unpack that a little bit? because i really have no idea what you're saying. if you're speaking to certain rules being inconsistently enforced in regard to other rules, again you're presenting false equivalence because different rules pertain to different things, hence why they are rules in the first place. racial, cultural or identity sensitivity classes are not the same as freshman history and ought not to be treated as such.

but it might be fair to say that this may not be the type of thing that colleges should be in the business of teaching. universities teach about ethics, but they don't teach how to act ethically. the expectation seems to be for ethical behavior to follow from knowing about various ethical problems. perhaps forcing students to think about identities "sensitively" is ramming a certain viewpoint down their throats, as well-intentioned as it might be. nevertheless, if you hate someone because of who they are (or rather, who you are), you're an immense dick, perfectly deserving of the consequences being an immense dick brings (i.e. people generally disliking you due to your dickishness). the students in question are clearly dicks, so i have trouble sympathizing with them even though the university may be overreaching with mandatory sensitivity classes.




It's quite clear. If you wish to force others to do something, be willing to be forced to do it yourself.

I don't like racists. I don't like homophobes. I don't like those that force others to do things. All three are assholes.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
    #21407542 - 03/14/15 03:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Being LGBT does not impend on anyones rights, being KKK does (because African americans have a right to live America and the KKK wants to take that away)




Congrats. I've read some real stupid statements here but you've wasted no time equaling them.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21407609 - 03/14/15 03:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Being a member of a group, supports its ethos. The KKK ethos is to separate whites from blacks. How are they going to separate whites from black if not through force?

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
    #21407689 - 03/14/15 03:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

it doesn't make any sense to be tolerant of intolerance. but like i said, the university may be wrong for having the classes in the first place. that doesn't excuse the attitudes of the student group though.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21407702 - 03/14/15 03:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Being LGBT does not impend on anyones rights, being KKK does (because African americans have a right to live America and the KKK wants to take that away)




Congrats. I've read some real stupid statements here but you've wasted no time equaling them.




Firsty, I've been incredibly polite in this debate, and do not appreciate your rudeness.
Secondly, 'equaling' isn't a word.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21407710 - 03/14/15 03:47 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
So substitute any subject. Unless you require all to attend classes against their will, you require no-one.

It doesn't matter how good the intentions. You don't ask others to do what you would be unwilling to do.




can you unpack that a little bit? because i really have no idea what you're saying. if you're speaking to certain rules being inconsistently enforced in regard to other rules, again you're presenting false equivalence because different rules pertain to different things, hence why they are rules in the first place. racial, cultural or identity sensitivity classes are not the same as freshman history and ought not to be treated as such.

but it might be fair to say that this may not be the type of thing that colleges should be in the business of teaching. universities teach about ethics, but they don't teach how to act ethically. the expectation seems to be for ethical behavior to follow from knowing about various ethical problems. perhaps forcing students to think about identities "sensitively" is ramming a certain viewpoint down their throats, as well-intentioned as it might be. nevertheless, if you hate someone because of who they are (or rather, who you are), you're an immense dick, perfectly deserving of the consequences being an immense dick brings (i.e. people generally disliking you due to your dickishness). the students in question are clearly dicks, so i have trouble sympathizing with them even though the university may be overreaching with mandatory sensitivity classes.




It's quite clear. If you wish to force others to do something, be willing to be forced to do it yourself.

I don't like racists. I don't like homophobes. I don't like those that force others to do things. All three are assholes.




So do you have a problem with other lessons the kids have to attend?

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
    #21407720 - 03/14/15 03:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

", but they don't teach how to act ethically. the expectation seems to be for ethical behavior to follow from knowing about various ethical problems"
This. Lessons in critical thinking would be far more beneficial.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
    #21407747 - 03/14/15 03:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

>Being a member of a group, supports its ethos.

Perhaps

>The KKK ethos is to separate whites from blacks. How are they going to separate whites from black if not through force?

Perhaps through reeducation? Would you like to attend a kkk reeducation class? Would you like to be forced to attend? If not, then you are a hypocrite for supporting the liberal equivalent.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21407841 - 03/14/15 04:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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>Being a member of a group, supports its ethos.

Perhaps

>The KKK ethos is to separate whites from blacks. How are they going to separate whites from black if not through force?

Perhaps through reeducation? Would you like to attend a kkk reeducation class? Would you like to be forced to attend? If not, then you are a hypocrite for supporting the liberal equivalent.




KKK ethos - political opinion.
LGBT sensitivity training - teaches kids what they may not know has a detrimental effect on the LGBT people. (certain slurs for example)

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
    #21407861 - 03/14/15 04:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Why should anyone be branded for refusing to participate in something as trivial as a class. Maybe they have better things to do like go home and fuck their SO rather then sit in on some shitty lecture they have absolutely zero interest in.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21407875 - 03/14/15 04:25 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Why should anyone be branded for refusing to participate in something as trivial as a class. Maybe they have better things to do like go home and fuck their SO rather then sit in on some shitty lecture they have absolutely zero interest in.




Very true, a breath of fresh air in the turgid atmosphere of pc that usually goes on around here.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
    #21407878 - 03/14/15 04:25 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I get what you mean about the political re-education. But this all depends on what this 'training' entails.

If it's simply outlining that homophobia is a problem, and why. Then that's fine, that's just highlighting the code of conduct a school or work place has.

If on the other hand its 'be friends with gay people!' - then yes, I have a problem with that.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
    #21407893 - 03/14/15 04:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

How bout I force an educational class about all the habits and beliefs of Muslims on you. So you can be more sensitive to their struggle. Hell why the fuck should we stop at gays. Lets force all types of politically correct "Education" on our students.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Webster10]
    #21408067 - 03/14/15 05:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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And what are the distinguishing visual, biological, and behavioral traits to the mighty Hispanic?

Who is the authority on race mixing?  Is it pretty simple in that the closer to white you are the better, or could we breed race traits and create supereugenicmen?



The first time I ever saw the term "white Hispanic" was by the NY Times in describing George Zimmerman.  The limousine liberal race baiting pimps that they are.



Which author?



Lizette Alvarez but who knows what or how it got edited.  The whole paper is responsible for every article.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan] * 1
    #21408093 - 03/14/15 05:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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If it's simply outlining that homophobia is a problem,




I don't think anybody is afraid of homosexuals.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21408120 - 03/14/15 05:30 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Why should anyone be branded for refusing to participate in something as trivial as a class. Maybe they have better things to do like go home and fuck their SO rather then sit in on some shitty lecture they have absolutely zero interest in.



:thumbup:

That was always my MO in life. Don't care, don't go.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21408135 - 03/14/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you kidding?  If we are talking about the American south it is definitely both.  Not trying to stereotype here, and even around here in the Northeast there are more people who think that Mexican is a race then there should be.  It is funny, because even though they are all experts on biology and determining the importance of the all these insightful correlations, their understanding of race and ability to explain how it all fits together always falls short when you try to flesh their ideas out into something bigger.




So how long have you lived here? If the answer is never, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21408255 - 03/14/15 06:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

>So how long have you lived here? If the answer is never, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Being clueless has never stopped most of them from giving an opinion.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21409571 - 03/15/15 12:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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>So how long have you lived here? If the answer is never, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Being clueless has never stopped most of them from giving an opinion.




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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21409631 - 03/15/15 01:25 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

liberals are a joke they are fucking soft core omg my feelings faggots


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