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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21405696 - 03/14/15 10:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

And what are the distinguishing visual, biological, and behavioral traits to the mighty Hispanic?

Who is the authority on race mixing?  Is it pretty simple in that the closer to white you are the better, or could we breed race traits and create supereugenicmen?

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21405795 - 03/14/15 10:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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And what are the distinguishing visual, biological, and behavioral traits to the mighty Hispanic?

Who is the authority on race mixing?  Is it pretty simple in that the closer to white you are the better, or could we breed race traits and create supereugenicmen?





Yes we can breed for specific traits.
& Create a scenario where survival of the fittest is irrelevant.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21406026 - 03/14/15 12:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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And what are the distinguishing visual, biological, and behavioral traits to the mighty Hispanic?

Who is the authority on race mixing?  Is it pretty simple in that the closer to white you are the better, or could we breed race traits and create supereugenicmen?



The first time I ever saw the term "white Hispanic" was by the NY Times in describing George Zimmerman.  The limousine liberal race baiting pimps that they are.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Beanhead]
    #21406028 - 03/14/15 12:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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And what are the distinguishing visual, biological, and behavioral traits to the mighty Hispanic?

Who is the authority on race mixing?  Is it pretty simple in that the closer to white you are the better, or could we breed race traits and create supereugenicmen?





Yes we can breed for specific traits.
& Create a scenario where survival of the fittest is irrelevant.



Welfare has eliminated survival of the fittest.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21406084 - 03/14/15 12:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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And what are the distinguishing visual, biological, and behavioral traits to the mighty Hispanic?

Who is the authority on race mixing?  Is it pretty simple in that the closer to white you are the better, or could we breed race traits and create supereugenicmen?



The first time I ever saw the term "white Hispanic" was by the NY Times in describing George Zimmerman.  The limousine liberal race baiting pimps that they are.



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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21406137 - 03/14/15 12:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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And what are the distinguishing visual, biological, and behavioral traits to the mighty Hispanic?

Who is the authority on race mixing?  Is it pretty simple in that the closer to white you are the better, or could we breed race traits and create supereugenicmen?



The first time I ever saw the term "white Hispanic" was by the NY Times in describing George Zimmerman.  The limousine liberal race baiting pimps that they are.




That's a very good example of taking one personal anecdote and acting like it somehow expresses some greater truth.

The fact is that racism come out of religion.  I can't absolutely prove this any more than anyone could prove liberal race-baiters created racism, but there is ample evidence that the Christian Bible encourages both slavery and racism.  Now, you could say that god is just a racist asshole, or you could admit that the Bible was designed by man and tailored by those in power to justify their action.  To try and pretend that we are past that now is just ridiculous.

Now, that isn't to say that religion and spirituality wasn't a driving force in ending slavery and bringing people together on an essential level and maybe even spark the ideals of equality and justice. 

How do we reconcile these things?  I don't think that the two just cancel eachother out, but it is an example of goodness coming out of the shit.  I am not religious, but there is something spiritual about that to me.  In our darkest times we can shine, and when we think we have it all figured out problems will arise. 

I mean it is one thing to say you believe and god and go to church, that doesn't make you a good person, it is another thing to see all this and take it in.  I know other people see this, and maybe it is just a type of madness, but to me it is all the workings of something greater than myself.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21406225 - 03/14/15 01:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

On occasion zappa is right about something. Give even the devil his due

>Welfare has eliminated survival of the fittest.

It has also destroyed the work ethic and created an underclass of bums. We already had underclasses but now they get a check every month plus whatever they can steal.

There are negro Hispanics so there could be white Hispanics though that may be an amalgam of the two.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21406236 - 03/14/15 01:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

the conservative group is certainly entitled to its views, but what did they expect to happen in a culture that is becoming increasingly hostile towards those particular views? in refusing to attend sensitivity classes, the group deliberately made a political statement; they wanted a response. unfortunately, unsurprisingly, the response they're getting is negative.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: millzy]
    #21406309 - 03/14/15 01:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Should you be required to attend a KKK sensitivity class?

The negative response means nothing and is a more enlightened position than forcing 'education/sensitivity'.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21406533 - 03/14/15 01:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Should you be required to attend a KKK sensitivity class?

The negative response means nothing and is a more enlightened position than forcing 'education/sensitivity'.




Do you really equate this LGBT student advocate group with the KKK?  It is so obvious that this is just an essential objection in terms of LGBT people otherwise this would be an attack on administrators (student gov't?) being able to decide what sensitivity seminars are mandatory for leaders of student groups at this one small college. 

The scope of this issue is so tiny when it comes down to it, just the idea of liberals getting one over on conservatives is the real issue here when this is actually just an attempt at bringing the student leaders of this college together.  If this conservative group refuses to bow to authority they will be punished because they are going to school there and those are the rules of the school.  It has jack shit to do with the constitution.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21406558 - 03/14/15 01:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

>Do you really equate this LGBT student advocate group with the KKK?

They should have equal rights.

>this is actually just an attempt at bringing the student leaders of this college together

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Its an exercise in bullying and forced indoctrination.

>If this conservative group refuses to bow to authority they will be punished because they are going to school there and those are the rules of the school.  It has jack shit to do with the constitution

Then cut the schools off from all govt aid until they start respecting the constitution!


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21406591 - 03/14/15 01:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

If you can't handle the thought of being forced to attend a KKK sensitivity class, don't force others to attend other classes.

It's just that simple. Do not force others to do what you don't want to be forced to do.

Do you really think requiring some to attend these classes will actually help? No. In the same way Affirmative Action has reinforced the negative attitudes of racists, this will simply harden the negative attitudes of those forced to attend.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21406618 - 03/14/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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>Do you really equate this LGBT student advocate group with the KKK?

They should have equal rights.

>this is actually just an attempt at bringing the student leaders of this college together

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Its an exercise in bullying and forced indoctrination.

>If this conservative group refuses to bow to authority they will be punished because they are going to school there and those are the rules of the school.  It has jack shit to do with the constitution

Then cut the schools off from all govt aid until they start respecting the constitution!




While I only sometimes agree with your positions, this post is spot on.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21406685 - 03/14/15 01:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I gotta hand it to you guys, impressive logical backflips.  Let's just take it to a logical extreme and give every individual with their own beliefs their own student group, or on the other hand we could just take away people's right to organize and just say that whatever your status equation is (assignedbirthgenderxreligion)^3.14(%whiteness) = Status Power / Yearly Income is set in stone now because we already have figured that shit out from the top end of things for you.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21406706 - 03/14/15 01:59 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Equal treatment for all is a logical back-flip? Wow.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21406738 - 03/14/15 02:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

sensitivity classes geared towards tolerating racism presents false equivalence because racism is guided by hatred whereas true tolerance is guided by reason. that is, it is rational to be tolerant of identities whereas it is irrational to hate them on the sole grounds that they are that identity. 

now when i say the group is getting a "negative" response, i use the term "negative" in the scope of what i surmise their perception of events to be: the group is standing up for what they believe is right, and because nobody in their right mind is sympathetic to their beliefs, they are therefore the recipients of "negativity". and while the group is entitled to feel, think and act as irrationally as they wish, they cannot expect those feelings or thoughts to not have consequences when they are acted on in any way. nobody is forcing them to attend, but refusing to attend makes them look like assholes. opponents of this group who are pointing that are in a superior position because, as stated above, they are acting in accord with reason.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: millzy]
    #21406782 - 03/14/15 02:10 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

So substitute any subject. Unless you require all to attend classes against their will, you require no-one.

It doesn't matter how good the intentions. You don't ask others to do what you would be unwilling to do.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21407221 - 03/14/15 02:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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So substitute any subject. Unless you require all to attend classes against their will, you require no-one.

It doesn't matter how good the intentions. You don't ask others to do what you would be unwilling to do.




can you unpack that a little bit? because i really have no idea what you're saying. if you're speaking to certain rules being inconsistently enforced in regard to other rules, again you're presenting false equivalence because different rules pertain to different things, hence why they are rules in the first place. racial, cultural or identity sensitivity classes are not the same as freshman history and ought not to be treated as such.

but it might be fair to say that this may not be the type of thing that colleges should be in the business of teaching. universities teach about ethics, but they don't teach how to act ethically. the expectation seems to be for ethical behavior to follow from knowing about various ethical problems. perhaps forcing students to think about identities "sensitively" is ramming a certain viewpoint down their throats, as well-intentioned as it might be. nevertheless, if you hate someone because of who they are (or rather, who you are), you're an immense dick, perfectly deserving of the consequences being an immense dick brings (i.e. people generally disliking you due to your dickishness). the students in question are clearly dicks, so i have trouble sympathizing with them even though the university may be overreaching with mandatory sensitivity classes.


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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21407240 - 03/14/15 02:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Being LGBT does not impend on anyones rights, being KKK does (because African americans have a right to live America and the KKK wants to take that away)

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Its an exercise in bullying and forced indoctrination." - Nope. Countries that take steps to counteract xenophobia, are marginally more peaceful than those who don't.

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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: millzy]
    #21407353 - 03/14/15 03:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

>Being LGBT does not impend on anyones rights, being KKK does (because African americans have a right to live America and the KKK wants to take that away)

Typical left wing delusional thinking. "being KKK" does not infringe on anyone's rights any more than you being lgbt. If the kkk members break a law then they can be prosecuted same as you. Your error lies in thinking membership in a group is the same as doing things a small portion of the group did in the past. That type of delusional thinking is what they use to paint all whites as evil. I have news for you, all groups have done bad things.


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