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styro cooler to pasteurize
    #21402015 - 03/13/15 12:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Just got hold of a little styro cooler the other day. It was used to transport medicine. Real thick Styrofoam with a inside cavity that JUST fits a brick and two q of verm. So I put a black trash bag opened up inside of it and dumped a broken up brick of coir two quarts of verm and a big handful of gypsum inside the bag...dumped four quarts of 190 degree water in..closed the bag..mixed it around. Put the closed bag bag in the cooler stuck the lid on..(TIGHT FIT) . Stuck my digital thermometer through the lid into the sub  and waited

. The temp at the one hour mark...167.2! Success!!!



I believe I could drop the starting water to 165-170 and still maintain proper temp throughout the cycle. Which would make this method usable for manure as well.

I'm not sure where you could get these coolers but I have access to a lot of them...perfect no mess,no watching the thermometer.


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: tourrat]
    #21402043 - 03/13/15 12:27 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Cool! Really though if your just doing coir/verm you dont have to watch the temp, just get a plastic bucket from hardware store and pour your boiling water in and mix it up after a little while let it cool.


If I have something I have to proper pasturize then I do it on a stove.

CVG just needs heat treatment really. This might be nice for straw though!


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: mushpunx]
    #21402065 - 03/13/15 12:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I know coir doesn't need it...just wanted to test it on coir for that reason lol. This was a test run for being able to properly pasturize manure without putting it on the stove. Some people myself included could certainly see the benefit in being able to bring a large single pot of water to 170 degrees and dump it into ten little coolers and BAM  have ten tubs ready to go in an hours time. Like I said..I have access to a bunch of these.

And I do my proper work on a stove too...but doing ten tubs in a day is a fucking task! And having a bunch of shit l(iterally) on the stove is kinda a big deal with the wife lol.

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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: tourrat]
    #21402129 - 03/13/15 12:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Oh I gotcha now. And hell yea it is!

And I like this idea! Where do you get these coolers from then your work?


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: mushpunx]
    #21402200 - 03/13/15 01:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Damn that's a sweet idea looks easy as hell I do all my pasteurizing with jars in a electric crock pot all I have to do is set the temp and timer and I'm all done, but it sucks cause I can only to 4 jars at a time.:mad2:


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: mushpunx]
    #21402204 - 03/13/15 01:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

250$ Solution:



For 100$ more, you can have the large sauce pans.


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: hamloaf]
    #21402267 - 03/13/15 01:31 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: hamloaf]
    #21402283 - 03/13/15 01:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

damn..............Thats awesome


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: mushpunx]
    #21402293 - 03/13/15 01:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah i don't mind just doing small runs on the stove but for a big run...this is the cats meow! I get them from a friend who's in the med field. She said they use them to transport blood/organs/ medicine...stuff that is very temp sensitive. As soon as I saw it I was like MORE!!! I've got a turkey fryer and huge stockpot too ...but this is way cheaper and easier lol....I'll have ten of them next week....agar-brf-slurry-manure in a cooler into multiple tubs....yes  .think I will .


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: tourrat]
    #21402313 - 03/13/15 01:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, so.  You go brf slurry to bulk.

A few questions;
How does inoculating bulk with brf slurry work out for you?
What is your brf cake to water ratio?
What is you slurry to bulk ratio?


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: hamloaf]
    #21402727 - 03/13/15 03:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'm at the same place as you with it ham...wish I could answer better. I just innoced a batch today...used the 2/1water/brf. The timing is kinda all right for me with that tek and these coolers....I'm looking to do one or two big runs and shut down again for summer.... I'm a part timer. I go hard when I go. Winters are my cult /relax time then its back to prim and proper  shut down mode:-)


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: tourrat]
    #21402748 - 03/13/15 03:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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2:1 water to PF cake

Going to be blending one up today.



yes and that means 1 pint water to 1/2 pint pf cake. double it up if your using a pint cake jar. your recipe would be 2 pints water to 1 pint cake. but thats enough inoculum for well over 100 jars. once you get the feel for the transfer you can do it lightning quick and have enough for even more jars. it took me a little while to actually get the tek down to make my transfers even. and usually i throw away half the inoculum because i don't need it. what i tend to do, and this is not advised but i do it to see if it works, is if i do have a good volume left over. i may pour a higher volume in the last few jars to see if it colonizes quicker. it usually does. but there is a fine line between over pouring and speed. most of the time i just pour the leftovers in the last jar.


use the brf cakes to inoculate grain spawn. you can use a make shift pour spout to evenly pour the slurry into receiving jars. but i just eye it in. i keep the blender lid on and lift up as i pour. then close the lid after the pour and move to the next jar. now, what im describing has the oster blender jar blade loose and not rtved on. its easier to pour that way. it can be done with the rtved lid but its a little more difficult and i feel the higher up you have to lift the lid your leaving room for error.  i pour about a tablespoon per quart jar. it colonizes in 3-4 days with no shake. it allows you to create large volume of spawn very quickly with 1 pf cake. all the grows ive done in the last 4-5 months have been from 1 pf jar. its actually fucking incredible! if i mentioned the yield accomplished from 1 pf cake. or else id use something different. it would make you either cry for joy or anger.  what people don't understand is, that most are doing more work than is necessary to get good results. and their arguments are null and void.



Hell, With a simple modification to my Eberbach lid, I'll be using my nifty new LC/I gun to distribute the Wheat Bran Slurry.  Nice and even cc distribution made fast and easy, everytime.  :cool2:

When you say to inoculate grain jars with a brf slurry, are you suggesting/implying that brf slurry is better to take to grains, and grain slurry is better suited for bulk substrate materials in your experience??



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Awesome! 
Everything I wanted to know and more.
Gonna try another grain slurry to bulk.
This time, I'll mix the slurry into the sub.

Couple of questions;
1.  What is the water to grain spawn ratio for a good grain slurry?
2.  What is the grain slurry to sub ratio that you use?
Thanks.




i use 2:1 grain to water on the grain slurries to bulk. which i slurried 2 quarts on my first trial below to 9 quarts volume substrate.

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THAI LIPA YAI: WBS 2 QUART GRAIN SLURRY TRIAL #1:
UNCASED SUBSTRATE
                                 
THAI LIPA YAI (TESTED CLONE UNCASED):   
                                         
TUB 1 YIELD: TOTAL 450g 17.9 oz
1st: 240 grams 8.5 oz
2nd: 70 grams 2.5oz
3rd: 59g 2oz
4th: 81g 2.9oz



                   
Substrate Ratio Per Tub:

1:4.5 Ratio Spawn:substrate
  • 2 Quarts of WBS grain slurry spawn
  • 9 Quarts Volume: 3/4 Brick Coir/ 1 Quarts Verm/ 1 cups gypsum
  • 1.5" Sub Depth

TUB 1 YIELD: TOTAL 128 g 4.5 oz
1st: 73g
2nd: 32g
3rd: 23g


13 days from spawn to harvest
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2nd Flush:



3rd Flush:

FULL PROCEDURE:
GRAIN WAS PREPPED USING FOOMAN'S GRAIN TEK IN 2 HOURS
MADE 40 QUARTS WBS GRAIN JARS FROM 1 PF JAR SLURRY (THAI CLONE FOR A TEST RUN BELOW)

MIXED UP 1 SMALL BRICKS COIR, 2 QUARTS VERM, 1 CUP GYPSUM, 5 QUARTS WATER.  EXPANDED THE COIR WITH HOT WATER


DUMPED IN THE DRY VERM AND MIXED IT ALL UP WITH THE COIR. THEN POURED THE GYPSUM THAT WAS MIXED IN WITH 4 CUPS OF THE WARM WATER ON TOP OF THE VERM COIR MIX. THEN MIXED IT ALL UP.


PUT IT IN TURKEY TINS IN THE OVEN FOR 2.5 HOURS. INNER CORE TEMP WAS BROUGHT TO 170 THEN SET FOR 2 HOURS AT THAT TEMP.


ONCE COOL, FLIPPED THE TURKEY TIN UPSIDE DOWN IN MY PRE LINED TUB.
I TOOK A WIDE MOUTH QUART JAR THAT I RETROFITTED A BLADE ASSEMBLY TO THE LID. I PRESSURE COOKED 3/4 QUART OF WATER AND THE BLADE ASSEMBLY. ONCE COOL, I USED A SHMUVBOX FOR CLEAN WORK AND TOOK THE LID OFF 1 COLONIZED QUART. I POURED HALF OF THE 3/4TH QUART OF WATER INTO THAT COLONIZED QUART AND QUICKLY PUT THE METAL BLADE ON IT. I THEN USED A DRILL BIT ON THE END OF THE BLENDER TO BLEND UP THE JAR. I THEN DID THE SAME THING ON THE 2ND COLONIZED QUART OF GRAIN. I POURED THE REST OF THE WATER INTO THE 2ND QUART, THEN PUT THE SAME LID ON THE 2ND QUART JAR. THEN BLENDED IT WITH THE DRILL BIT. I POURED IT ALL INTO THE SUBSTRATE AND MIXED IT IN THOROUGHLY WITH THE PASTEURIZED SUBSTRATE WITH GLOVES ON.(I DIDN'T TAKE PICS SO IM SUBSTITUTING SOME I HAVE THAT ILLUSTRATE THIS)

BLEND WASN'T QUITE THIS SOUPY BUT DID LOOK SOMEWHAT LIKE THIS.


THE QUART LID IS LIKE THIS.




NOTES:
Dry yield wasn't anything special just normal. 73 grams. the substrate depth was only about 1.5" thick with no casing. 13 days from spawn to harvest. 23 days from clone to fruit. lighting speed! dunked for a 2nd flush. I plan on attempting this with a 5 tub uncased and 5 tub cased test next to get a wider range of results. The speed goal was met, yield was fair and the grow was extremely easy. I need to do some grow room tweaks to get it dialed in properly. But other than that I plan to try this same 2 Quart slurry with a 3" sub depth and cased tubs. This was an extremely fun experiment. I plan to take it to the next level in the next few months. I'm fairly confident this is repeatable and will get past 3 flushes. I am also confident that the contam ratio won't be any different than any other method I have used. I'd put my money on it. The only obstervation that I believe would cause an issue is if you use larger size grain like Rye berry or Oats. The size of the inner uncolonized grain ends up being too much exposure for contams to set in unless you don't blend the grain as much. The smaller millet or wbs grain doesn't quite get pulverized as much so the grain itself isn't as exposed. In addition, I believe that the drill bit blender wasn't as powerful as my oster is. So it did not break up the grain as much as it would have had I used the oster blender. I think using the hand drill on the oster wide mouth blade attachment is ideal for this method.








on my 2nd try i only slurried 1 quart and spawned 4 quarts regularly and had good results.
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THAI LIPA YAI: WBS 1 QUART GRAIN SLURRY/ 4 QUART REGULAR SPAWN TRIAL #2:
CASED SUBSTRATE
                                 
Substrate Ratio Per Tub:2 Tubs Tested

1:2 Ratio Spawn:substrate
  • 4 Quarts of WBS grain/ 1 Quart slurry spawn
  • 10 Quarts Volume: 1 Brick Coir/ 1 Quarts Verm/ 1 cup strawnet/ 1 cup gypsum/ 1/4 cup supercake formula
  • 3" Sub Depth
  • 5 Quarts Water





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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: hamloaf]
    #21402819 - 03/13/15 03:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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For 100$ more, you can have the large sauce pans.



haha, i din't pay nothing for all four of mine:laugh2:


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: cronicr]
    #21402903 - 03/13/15 04:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

:haha:

Pics or yer a bobdamn liar!  :razz:  :lol:

How did you manage that deal?
Once scored an AA941PC & a 2 by 4 foot HEPA as gifts.



The man who gifted them to me passed away less then a year after.  :sad:
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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: hamloaf]
    #21402913 - 03/13/15 04:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)


they were in an out building when i moved in, pretty beat up but all working and all included nice big pots:cool:(2 propane tanks were still full lol)


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    #21402932 - 03/13/15 04:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

heh, wonder what the previous owners were using those for?  :uptosomething:


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: hamloaf]
    #21402944 - 03/13/15 04:23 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

that's what i asked but the landlord was clueless...there was tons of shelving too but those buildings were not apart of there lease so i got to keep it all:rockon:
oh i how i don't miss the days of syrofoam...use to pasturize in them...grow in them...store jars in them:lol:


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Re: styro cooler to pasteurize [Re: cronicr]
    #21403184 - 03/13/15 05:25 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I wouldn't be bothered to buy a bunch of them ...but for free:-)  and with a hundred pounds or so of spawn coming up ripe...I'll take the easiest route I can lol.these things are gonna save me a BUNCH of headaches. No more bitchin about having the kitchen tied up lol...everything can be dine in my man cave:-)


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