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Attention Drummers!
    #21391705 - 03/11/15 08:46 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I believe I have formulated a new drum pattern.

It's called a pseudo-paradiddle in 19/8.

The pattern reads:

R/LL/R/LL/R/L/RR/L/RR/L

The beginning is a quarter note on the right followed by two eighths on the left.

The middle section is an eighth note on the right followed by a quarter on the left and two eighths on the right.

Finally the pattern ends on a left hand eighth note.

Will upload an audio example as soon as I'm able.


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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21391737 - 03/11/15 08:56 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Could be wrong, but, in my head, it's sounding similar to the "Mozambique" rhythm. This is an example of the pattern performed by Steve Gadd on a recording of Paul Simon's "Late In The Evening".

Mozambique = B R L RR L R L RR L RR L




Look forward to giving your audio file a listen. :wink:

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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21391789 - 03/11/15 09:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Holy shit, you won the universe!

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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Soul-Shine]
    #21391980 - 03/11/15 09:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Soul-Shine said:
Could be wrong, but, in my head, it's sounding similar to the "Mozambique" rhythm. This is an example of the pattern performed by Steve Gadd on a recording of Paul Simon's "Late In The Evening".

Mozambique = B R L RR L R L RR L RR L






Is that B supposed to be an R, or does it just mean "both"?


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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21396893 - 03/12/15 10:09 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, you are correct. B = Both

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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Soul-Shine]
    #21397923 - 03/12/15 02:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I have something recorded, but can't find where to put in the audio for my post.

No threads on it either, see people post stuff all the time from their soundcloud.

Any thoughts?


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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21399772 - 03/12/15 08:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

if you don't upload it elsewhere like sound cloud, youtube ect. then all you can do here is attach a file to your post afaik


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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #21399860 - 03/12/15 09:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks. :thumbup:

Guess I need to make a soundcloud in order for you to hear it because directly attaching the file does not work.


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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21402524 - 03/13/15 02:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

ive been a rudimental percussionist for many years now. man, some of the patterns ive had to learn are extremely complex.
If I'm understanding your pattern correcty, why not just make it into 9/8 with 8th's and 16'ths? would be much easier to read and write that way. or make it into 8th note triplets in 3/4 like this:
|R LL R|LL R L|RR L RR| then repeat of the left hand haha. and yes the doubles would be played as tight diddles or slurred depending on the sound/feel you desire.

ORRRRRR you could turn the phrase into two 7:6 in 3/4 like this: |RLLRLLR|LRRLRRL|. I would accent it like this: |RllRllR|LrrLrrL| (capitals are accents, lowercase are taps).

some of the best/hardest patterns and rhythms come from Africa (india as well), if youre not familiar with world rhythms you should definitely explore them. Also having the standard 40 rudiments memorized is one of the best ways to increase your musical vocabulary. there are 40 standard rudiments, but there are hundreds of hybrid rudiments to learn too.

Sorry about the long post, I get a boner when I start to talk about rhythm and time haha


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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: uther]
    #21405680 - 03/14/15 10:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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uther said:
ive been a rudimental percussionist for many years now. man, some of the patterns ive had to learn are extremely complex.
If I'm understanding your pattern correcty, why not just make it into 9/8 with 8th's and 16'ths? would be much easier to read and write that way. or make it into 8th note triplets in 3/4 like this:
|R LL R|LL R L|RR L RR| then repeat of the left hand haha. and yes the doubles would be played as tight diddles or slurred depending on the sound/feel you desire.

ORRRRRR you could turn the phrase into two 7:6 in 3/4 like this: |RLLRLLR|LRRLRRL|. I would accent it like this: |RllRllR|LrrLrrL| (capitals are accents, lowercase are taps).

some of the best/hardest patterns and rhythms come from Africa (india as well), if youre not familiar with world rhythms you should definitely explore them. Also having the standard 40 rudiments memorized is one of the best ways to increase your musical vocabulary. there are 40 standard rudiments, but there are hundreds of hybrid rudiments to learn too.

Sorry about the long post, I get a boner when I start to talk about rhythm and time haha




Thanks you sir, much appreciated input! :cheers:

You described my accent pattern perfectly, the reason for the werid time signature is that I couldn't feel out the timing without writing the whole pattern into a single measure.

I'm pretty familiar with african and indian rhythms, have taken a workshop by C.K Ladzkepo, a very famous ghanian drummer.

I'd argue the hardest rhythms come out of asia, especially korea, but that's just because they utilize "nothing rhythm", which is untranscribable.

Has the pattern I described been used before? Even my professors who have doctorate degrees in percussion and ethnomusicology couldn't pin-down an example.


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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21408957 - 03/14/15 09:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think the pattern has a name, or has been used as a repetitive beat. it could make for an interesting song if done right. thanks for the heads up with the stuff out of asia, I need to check that out!


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Re: Attention Drummers! [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21409150 - 03/14/15 10:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yukon Cornelius said:
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uther said:
ive been a rudimental percussionist for many years now. man, some of the patterns ive had to learn are extremely complex.
If I'm understanding your pattern correcty, why not just make it into 9/8 with 8th's and 16'ths? would be much easier to read and write that way. or make it into 8th note triplets in 3/4 like this:
|R LL R|LL R L|RR L RR| then repeat of the left hand haha. and yes the doubles would be played as tight diddles or slurred depending on the sound/feel you desire.

ORRRRRR you could turn the phrase into two 7:6 in 3/4 like this: |RLLRLLR|LRRLRRL|. I would accent it like this: |RllRllR|LrrLrrL| (capitals are accents, lowercase are taps).

some of the best/hardest patterns and rhythms come from Africa (india as well), if youre not familiar with world rhythms you should definitely explore them. Also having the standard 40 rudiments memorized is one of the best ways to increase your musical vocabulary. there are 40 standard rudiments, but there are hundreds of hybrid rudiments to learn too.

Sorry about the long post, I get a boner when I start to talk about rhythm and time haha




Thanks you sir, much appreciated input! :cheers:

You described my accent pattern perfectly, the reason for the werid time signature is that I couldn't feel out the timing without writing the whole pattern into a single measure.

I'm pretty familiar with african and indian rhythms, have taken a workshop by C.K Ladzkepo, a very famous ghanian drummer.

I'd argue the hardest rhythms come out of asia, especially korea, but that's just because they utilize "nothing rhythm", which is untranscribable.

Has the pattern I described been used before? Even my professors who have doctorate degrees in percussion and ethnomusicology couldn't pin-down an example.



It may have been, it may have not been, who cares?  What's the end goal?  There are infinite patterns of rhythms you can make up.  It's not like on the seventh day god created a set number of rhythm patterns and it's up to man to discover them all.  RRRRRLLLRLRLRLLLRLLLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLLLRRLRLLRLRLRLRLRLLLLLRRRLRLLRLRLRLRLRLRLR.  Every third L is a 16th note, every fourth R is a a quarter, and every second time there's three Ls in a row you play it as a quarter triplet.

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