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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21395508 - 03/11/15 11:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Sotomayor makes a pretty poignant case for affirmative action, thanks for sharing that.
If a state wants to ban affirmative action I can live with that. I feel bad for the people missing out on an education
why are they missing out on the education? is it because they couldnt compete with other students when it came to admissions? was it because of their skin color? if applications dont ask about race then we have a colorblind system that allows students based on merit as opposed to race but when you set goals for enrollment of various ethnicities then you're limiting other student, you're holding those with the ability back in order to fill an official or unofficial quota
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#21396025 - 03/12/15 04:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Sotomayor makes a pretty poignant case for affirmative action, thanks for sharing that.
If a state wants to ban affirmative action I can live with that. I feel bad for the people missing out on an education
why are they missing out on the education? is it because they couldnt compete with other students when it came to admissions? was it because of their skin color? if applications dont ask about race then we have a colorblind system that allows students based on merit as opposed to race but when you set goals for enrollment of various ethnicities then you're limiting other student, you're holding those with the ability back in order to fill an official or unofficial quota
If you do not ask about ethnicity or be 'colour blind' as you said, these applications could be turned down during the interview - and there would be no proof that this was based on the persons colour.
It wasn't that many generations ago that black peoples ancestors were enslaved. Since that has happened it has been hard for the black community to break out of the poverty cycle (If your parents are poor, you are most likely going to be poor and that drips down from generation to generation.
All groups of people are equal. Whether they are black, white, gay ect. But there is HUGE problem that certain groups of people face, even in the 21st century.
It would be great to all be 'colourblind' and ignore the fact that 'people are gay' - but the problem exists. Black people are statistically much more likely to get stopped and searched by feds, and the percentage of LGBT folk who commit suicide is marginally larger than hetero groups.
Yes withing the law they have equal rights, but when you think about it in terms of social science - we still have a long way to go.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21396593 - 03/12/15 08:37 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushy, those quotes are just window dressing, they are meant to be winked at. Its the usual left wing double talk, "we don't have quotas, we have targets" Meaning don't consider the race or sex of the prospective student (wink wink) but make sure you admit enough of them. How the hell could they admit more minorities without considering race and other factors?
Its the same thing in hiring. If they don't meet the unofficial quota then the injustice department may bring a lawsuit costing the company (and taxpayers) a lot of money. They don't call them quotas they call them "looking like the community" or "goals, targets" what is your favorite euphemism?
Almost everyone who is a beneficiary of the crooked system seems to be in favor of it. The obvious motive is to preserve their privileges, handouts, and favoritism. They turn a blind eye to discrimination of whites and males because that is someone else's problem. So much for sensitivity.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
#21396718 - 03/12/15 09:13 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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izbeckistan said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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moonrockmushy said: Sotomayor makes a pretty poignant case for affirmative action, thanks for sharing that.
If a state wants to ban affirmative action I can live with that. I feel bad for the people missing out on an education
why are they missing out on the education? is it because they couldnt compete with other students when it came to admissions? was it because of their skin color? if applications dont ask about race then we have a colorblind system that allows students based on merit as opposed to race but when you set goals for enrollment of various ethnicities then you're limiting other student, you're holding those with the ability back in order to fill an official or unofficial quota
If you do not ask about ethnicity or be 'colour blind' as you said, these applications could be turned down during the interview - and there would be no proof that this was based on the persons colour.
It wasn't that many generations ago that black peoples ancestors were enslaved. Since that has happened it has been hard for the black community to break out of the poverty cycle (If your parents are poor, you are most likely going to be poor and that drips down from generation to generation.
All groups of people are equal. Whether they are black, white, gay ect. But there is HUGE problem that certain groups of people face, even in the 21st century.
It would be great to all be 'colourblind' and ignore the fact that 'people are gay' - but the problem exists. Black people are statistically much more likely to get stopped and searched by feds, and the percentage of LGBT folk who commit suicide is marginally larger than hetero groups.
Yes withing the law they have equal rights, but when you think about it in terms of social science - we still have a long way to go.
"All groups of people are equal"

Who the hell convinced you of this nonsense? We are all different.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: qman]
#21396740 - 03/12/15 09:19 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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My free speech ends at your feelings
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: The Doobie Dude] 3
#21396820 - 03/12/15 09:47 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is no "right" to not be offended.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Stonehenge]
#21396920 - 03/12/15 10:18 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Mushy, those quotes are just window dressing, they are meant to be winked at. Its the usual left wing double talk, "we don't have quotas, we have targets" Meaning don't consider the race or sex of the prospective student (wink wink) but make sure you admit enough of them. How the hell could they admit more minorities without considering race and other factors?
Its the same thing in hiring. If they don't meet the unofficial quota then the injustice department may bring a lawsuit costing the company (and taxpayers) a lot of money. They don't call them quotas they call them "looking like the community" or "goals, targets" what is your favorite euphemism?
Almost everyone who is a beneficiary of the crooked system seems to be in favor of it. The obvious motive is to preserve their privileges, handouts, and favoritism. They turn a blind eye to discrimination of whites and males because that is someone else's problem. So much for sensitivity.
In my mind it is way less of a problem than racist double-talk. Trying to say that if everyone is equal racism can't exist is just backwards. Nobody is trying to say everyone is equal, everyone is different, the point is gender, race, sexuality etc does not define someone and should not restrict their opportunities.
Racism does exist unfortunately, as well as other bigotry. I see it with my own eyes and if you don't you're probably either blind or ignorant. Without racism there can't be races, true, but sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the problem of bigotry go away.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: qman]
#21397312 - 03/12/15 12:02 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Sotomayor makes a pretty poignant case for affirmative action, thanks for sharing that.
If a state wants to ban affirmative action I can live with that. I feel bad for the people missing out on an education
why are they missing out on the education? is it because they couldnt compete with other students when it came to admissions? was it because of their skin color? if applications dont ask about race then we have a colorblind system that allows students based on merit as opposed to race but when you set goals for enrollment of various ethnicities then you're limiting other student, you're holding those with the ability back in order to fill an official or unofficial quota
If you do not ask about ethnicity or be 'colour blind' as you said, these applications could be turned down during the interview - and there would be no proof that this was based on the persons colour.
It wasn't that many generations ago that black peoples ancestors were enslaved. Since that has happened it has been hard for the black community to break out of the poverty cycle (If your parents are poor, you are most likely going to be poor and that drips down from generation to generation.
All groups of people are equal. Whether they are black, white, gay ect. But there is HUGE problem that certain groups of people face, even in the 21st century.
It would be great to all be 'colourblind' and ignore the fact that 'people are gay' - but the problem exists. Black people are statistically much more likely to get stopped and searched by feds, and the percentage of LGBT folk who commit suicide is marginally larger than hetero groups.
Yes withing the law they have equal rights, but when you think about it in terms of social science - we still have a long way to go.
"All groups of people are equal"

Who the hell convinced you of this nonsense? We are all different.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan] 2
#21397323 - 03/12/15 12:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alas, people do not have equal value.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21397465 - 03/12/15 12:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Alas, people do not have equal value.
'value' cannot be determined based on persons sexuality or race Because sexuality and race does not affect persons capabilities
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan] 2
#21397525 - 03/12/15 12:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I'm not free to hate anyone who isn't a white straight male for any reason Or else I'm racist sexist homophobic Nazi ?
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
#21397577 - 03/12/15 01:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Alas, people do not have equal value.
'value' cannot be determined based on persons sexuality or race Because sexuality and race does not affect persons capabilities
Yet, they could be a member of a group that does not offer equal value.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: izbeckistan]
#21397593 - 03/12/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Alas, people do not have equal value.
'value' cannot be determined based on persons sexuality or race Because sexuality and race does not affect persons capabilities
No shit???
Really???
Gosh!!!
Who'd have thunk it??? Oh wait... I would, which is why I didn't say it did.
Just what this place needed. Another poster who "sees" things in the posts of others who are capable of expressing themselves.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: qman] 2
#21397612 - 03/12/15 01:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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A nanny state will not help progress social change. That has to come through the acceptance of the people, not by a forceful fist "urging" them to be respectful.
Maybe blacks would be wise to actually work and put down some duty instead of begging and whining. Asian communities as well as hispanics never seem to have these problems.
As for the trans community, the suicide rate is not proportional to the cultural impact. Show some logic or study that points to this. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
Sensitivity training is utter garbage, this is the new fascism so it seems.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: MoxyOx]
#21397622 - 03/12/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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[racism won't end unless we stop being racist]
[blatantly racist statement]
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy] 2
#21397642 - 03/12/15 01:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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God, you're a joke. Yea, blacks are more racist then any group I've ever known. What's your point.
You really don't have a grasp of reality, you just eat up everything you read. Have you ever seen with your eyes and listened with your ears or is your head too far up your ass?
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21397653 - 03/12/15 01:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it racist if it's true? The reality is racist and sexist sometimes you know. It sucks, but idealism tends to leave a sour taste in my mouth now a days.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: MoxyOx]
#21397665 - 03/12/15 01:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well that's a giant blanket statement with nothing to back it up....
It also seems you can't get your point across with coming off as an asshole. Have you tried prozac, bro? Maybe you need some sunshine in your life.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: Uzziel] 1
#21397692 - 03/12/15 01:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right, I love it when people reject my experience because they read in a book racism is bad.
Bro, when I came to the states, blacks were the most aggressive and racist group I ever encountered. I speak of this through experience. I don't care what a book or "intelligent" scholar says anymore, my experience speaks more volumes then your sunshine outlook ever will.
I'm not saying all blacks or all asians or all hispanics or all whites or ALL of anyone is so and so. Groups tend to exhibit similar behaviors though. Wouldn't you agree on that?
By the way, argue the topic. Not my state of mind. It's difficult to keep a positive outlook when you have nothing to back your own BELIEFS up.
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Re: Conservative College Group Branded "Hate Group" For Refusing LGBT "Sensitivity Training" [Re: MoxyOx] 1
#21397724 - 03/12/15 01:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: God, you're a joke. Yea, blacks are more racist then any group I've ever known. What's your point.
You really don't have a grasp of reality, you just eat up everything you read. Have you ever seen with your eyes and listened with your ears or is your head too far up your ass?

Like alot of racists I come across, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of race and the modern view of racism. Maybe you think it is just a difference of opinion, but if you think that black people are less ambitious or worthy of the same advantages of other members of the community, you are in fact racist. If you want to talk about why I think that we can but I'll just say the simple-mindedness is shining through in this thread.
Edited by moonrockmushy (03/12/15 01:29 PM)
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