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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: s240779] * 1
    #21384576 - 03/09/15 09:24 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

This is a pretty interesting summary:


LSD is much easier to abuse. Both can be "recreational" but it's much easier to have a lighthearted, good time on LSD; shrooms tend to be more serious and introspective where LSD is more about electric euphoria and eye candy.

Even today at festivals I'll see people eating shit loads of acid for 3 days on end partying it up and having a great time. If you try to abuse mushrooms in the same way they'll probably rip your mind apart and hand you your ass.

LSD can be deep enough for users to experience full on spiritual/psychedelic revelation type shit but at the same time it is still flexible enough to be abused.

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: leery11]
    #21387416 - 03/10/15 02:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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as for mindfuck, i would say that the LSD mindfuck can be pretty  intense, even more than shrooms. But the difference is the mindfuck on shrooms is longer-lasting while on acid, its really intense, but only for a short amount of time.

The times ive taken acid, i soon discovered why its called "frying". :lol:

On acid, it can really feel like your brain is frying from the mindfuck of the deep psychedelia.




This is kinda what I'm scared of, since many people (like you) have told me it's a more intense mindfuck. On the other side, the mindfuck I got with psylocibin was not as intense and uncomfortable as I had expected before trying it, so maybe with acid it's the same. I would even say that weed sometimes gives me a more unpleasant mindfuck. The psylocibin mindfuck is of course way more mindblowing and exhausting, but until now it has never got me stuck in a long thought loop like weed does from time to time. This is probably due to the fact that on mushrooms I didn't try to draw any conclusions during the experience whereas when I smoke it can be like an apparently never ending search for answers to questions that keep coming to my mind lol.

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Well to be more clear I get the impression that the base effect of LSD parallels meditation more closely than mushrooms, but that doesn't mean that you can't get into a meditative state with mushrooms. But I also gather that one is more likely to have other-worldly experiences on mushrooms, e.g. seeing machine elves and other entities; or just experiencing a chaotic state uncharacteristic of LSD. This is just speculation based on my limited experience and commentary that I have stored in my memory. :justdontknow:




Yeah I guess it depends on the person, mindset, purpose, etc.

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To the OP, LSD is not at all conducive to mental health risks, when used in a good environment and when one is prepared to let go and flow with it and learn from it, when the dose is below 300ug especially speaking. So it depends on the strength of your dose whether or not it would be more or less deep than your shroom experiences were. I'd say I've never had more than 200ug myself personally, but how am I to know? The long duration is a good thing, trust me :smile:




I guess it wouldn't be too risky in my case since I only trip in settings in which I feel comfortable and in a mindset in which I'm looking forward to the experience and willing to let go. This time, however, I think I'll go with shrooms/truffles because I have no way to be sure what I'm getting is the real deal.
I can see the long duration being a good thing with a positive experience but if it turns into an anxiety ridden trip I would rather have it come to an end before 12 hours haha


Thanks again for your input! :smile:

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #21387480 - 03/10/15 03:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yah, i think u made a good choice. There is so much fake acid (which is actually an R.C.) out there. U need a test kit.

Everyone who buys acid these days should have a testing kit.

one thing i should mention about the LSD mindfuck is that it seems more dissociative than shrooms mindfuck. For that reaason, one could argue its not as bad cause u dissociate from your mind.

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21390923 - 03/11/15 12:51 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I say acid for sure

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: 8rownie]
    #21391991 - 03/11/15 09:54 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Now that I have decided it will be truffles, I'd like to hear your opinions and advice on eating them on an empty vs. full stomach. The first time, I took a light breakfast (milk and cereals) and some ham about three hours before eating the dried shrooms with a bit of orange juice. The second time I ate them on an empty stomach. I'd really want to avoid, as much as possible, the stomach discomfort I got both times, because I felt kind of sick and although I didn't vomit and the trips where so interesting that my attention was more focused on that part, I couldn't help but focus on that discomfort from time to time which was a bit annoying.

I think this time I'm going to eat something healthy the day before and have a light breakfast in the morning because the fasting made me feel a little dizzy the second time, but I want to hear your advice and personal experience as well :smile:

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #21392038 - 03/11/15 10:08 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I find a light meal about an hour before eating the shrooms helps with my stomach.

Or eatting a light meal with my shrooms works just as well, maybe better.

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #21392115 - 03/11/15 10:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Hi everybody!

In a couple of weeks I'll probably trip for the third time with good friends and in a comfortable and nice environment. The first time I tripped, I took a little less than 1,5g of mushrooms and it was a very interesting trip, but I didn't experience as much euphoria as some of my friends did. The second time I ate 10g of Hollandia truffles and the trip was overall more intense, with a lot of similarities, but this time there was a lot of euphoria involved too.
Both times I felt in total control of myself. With weed I often get confusing thought loops and it seems difficult to stop them, but with shrooms I felt like it was unnecessary to worry and I could let everything "flow", everything was fine, "bad" or "good" just depended on my attitude towards it.

Coming back to the initial question, I have the choice between acid and truffles/shrooms. I'm probably going with truffles again but I'm also kind of curious about LSD. On this site it seems as if people tend to have more enjoyable trips with it and that it's less likely to induce bad trips. However, people tend to say that taking LSD is riskier in terms of mental health. This and the longer trip duration makes me a bit scared of trying it. Although I'll probably take truffles, I'd like to hear your experiences and knowledge about this.

Peace :biggrin:




Since you have had two successful trips with psylocibin, I suggest you to explore it deeper before trying a different substance. Take a higher dose of mushrooms or sclerotia to explore heavier tripping.

Higher doses of mushrooms will most likely induce a deep philosophical trip. I'm not sure about a high dose of LSD, I only tripped once on it mildly and it didn't take me into a philosophical state.


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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21392771 - 03/11/15 12:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Since you have had two successful trips with psylocibin, I suggest you to explore it deeper before trying a different substance. Take a higher dose of mushrooms or sclerotia to explore heavier tripping.

Higher doses of mushrooms will most likely induce a deep philosophical trip. I'm not sure about a high dose of LSD, I only tripped once on it mildly and it didn't take me into a philosophical state.




Thanks for your advice! Yeah, I'm considering upping the dose a bit but 10g of the Hollandia sclerotia was pretty intense for me, not in a bad way but it was certainly exhausting, so I will see if I'm in the mood to go deeper into the rabbit hole :tongue2:

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #21393417 - 03/11/15 03:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Make some lemon tea instead of eating them, grind if you're using dried truffles, just chop them up real fine with a sharp knife if fresh, use some ginger in the tea.  You can eat a normal meal about 2-3 hours before and you'll be feeling great, stomach wise.

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21393512 - 03/11/15 03:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I like to keep switching. LSD is not riskier, they both have the same negative effects. Make sure you test your acid, if it tests positive for an indole, you can say it's acid 99.9%.


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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Ego Trip]
    #21394127 - 03/11/15 05:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Personally I like to keep switching. LSD is not riskier, they both have the same negative effects. Make sure you test your acid, if it tests positive for an indole, you can say it's acid 99.9%.




LSD kind of ruined mushrooms for me, it's taken me a while to get back to where I even like mushrooms, and even now it seems like acid has changed my mushroom visuals to be more like the ones I had on LSD. 

I would say get all you can out of mushrooms, take a year or so to really explore them to the fullest.  Then when it feels like you're tapped out, go ahead and move onto the Cadillac of psychedelics, otherwise, you may get spoiled on L and miss out on all those years of ignorant bliss where you think that mushrooms are the bees knees.  :lol:

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: P.Zappatecorum] * 3
    #21394349 - 03/11/15 06:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

That was an ignorant statement.


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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21394412 - 03/11/15 06:27 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Make some lemon tea instead of eating them, grind if you're using dried truffles, just chop them up real fine with a sharp knife if fresh, use some ginger in the tea.  You can eat a normal meal about 2-3 hours before and you'll be feeling great, stomach wise.




Won't this make it kick in a lot earlier and shorten the trip duration? If not, I'll probably do that.

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Personally I like to keep switching. LSD is not riskier, they both have the same negative effects. Make sure you test your acid, if it tests positive for an indole, you can say it's acid 99.9%.




Yeah, I guess the likelihood to suffer negative after effects is about the same, it's just that I've heard it's more likely on LSD and I wanted to contrast that with your experience :smile:


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LSD kind of ruined mushrooms for me, it's taken me a while to get back to where I even like mushrooms, and even now it seems like acid has changed my mushroom visuals to be more like the ones I had on LSD. 

I would say get all you can out of mushrooms, take a year or so to really explore them to the fullest.  Then when it feels like you're tapped out, go ahead and move onto the Cadillac of psychedelics, otherwise, you may get spoiled on L and miss out on all those years of ignorant bliss where you think that mushrooms are the bees knees.  :lol:




So you're saying LSD is a far better and mindblowing experience?

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Psychoneironaut] * 1
    #21394457 - 03/11/15 06:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Both are equally as mindblowing imo. The difference is HOW they blow your mind. LSD is more like "everything.... so beautiful...." "oh the pretty colors!" "is this insanity?" "damn man.... it's like the world is infinite and shit...."

Mushrooms is more like "this is so weird o:" "what the fuck is going on?" "I just exist, ego is just a false cover up" "the universe is so vast and geometric"

LSD though man.... it has a bit of everything. Consider it as more of a sampler plate, there isn't a single part of the experience that really makes it totally different from what you would expect from a typical psychedelic (except maybe the electric metal feeling). Mushrooms on the other hand are all about ripping yourself to shreds and being reborn imo.


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    #21394484 - 03/11/15 06:46 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Both are equally as mindblowing imo. The difference is HOW they blow your mind. LSD is more like "everything.... so beautiful...." "oh the pretty colors!" "is this insanity?" "damn man.... it's like the world is infinite and shit...."

Mushrooms is more like "this is so weird o:" "what the fuck is going on?" "I just exist, ego is just a false cover up" "the universe is so vast and geometric"

LSD though man.... it has a bit of everything. Consider it as more of a sampler plate, there isn't a single part of the experience that really makes it totally different from what you would expect from a typical psychedelic (except maybe the electric metal feeling). Mushrooms on the other hand are all about ripping yourself to shreds and being reborn imo.




Haha nice comparison, I can relate just too well to those sentences about mushrooms. This is probably very subjective but how "frightening" is that "Is this insanity?" feeling?

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #21394572 - 03/11/15 07:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well you hear people talk about how LSD (and actually a lot of other psychedelics) induce a temporary psychosis, and they kind of actually do just that. On LSD specifically I put that there because the way your mind works under LSD is a little weird. Thoughts have no ends, and answers don't exist. You just keep questioning everything, and start thinking of very bizarre and radical theories. Every time that I have done LSD, the main thing that glows around the experience is the understanding and feeling of infinity, and LSD ties itself in deep with fractal hallucinations. To me, it feels a little bit what I would imagine schizophrenia or some other similar mental ailment to be like. I don't feel like mushrooms have done this to me because you just don't have that really "profound" thinking cycle like you do on LSD. LSD is more like anticipation and understanding things, whereas mushrooms are much more of a sort of experience or journey.


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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21394773 - 03/11/15 07:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Both are equally as mindblowing imo. The difference is HOW they blow your mind. LSD is more like "everything.... so beautiful...." "oh the pretty colors!" "is this insanity?" "damn man.... it's like the world is infinite and shit...."

Mushrooms is more like "this is so weird o:" "what the fuck is going on?" "I just exist, ego is just a false cover up" "the universe is so vast and geometric"

LSD though man.... it has a bit of everything. Consider it as more of a sampler plate, there isn't a single part of the experience that really makes it totally different from what you would expect from a typical psychedelic (except maybe the electric metal feeling). Mushrooms on the other hand are all about ripping yourself to shreds and being reborn imo.



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And yes, tea will shorten duration and make come-up faster, I prefer it that way.  :shrug:

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    #21395328 - 03/11/15 10:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21395349 - 03/11/15 10:10 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Both are equally as mindblowing imo. The difference is HOW they blow your mind. LSD is more like "everything.... so beautiful...." "oh the pretty colors!" "is this insanity?" "damn man.... it's like the world is infinite and shit...."

Mushrooms is more like "this is so weird o:" "what the fuck is going on?" "I just exist, ego is just a false cover up" "the universe is so vast and geometric"

LSD though man.... it has a bit of everything. Consider it as more of a sampler plate, there isn't a single part of the experience that really makes it totally different from what you would expect from a typical psychedelic (except maybe the electric metal feeling). Mushrooms on the other hand are all about ripping yourself to shreds and being reborn imo.





What a great summary of LSD and shrooms. Well done sir, 5 shrooms.

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Re: Can't decide between shrooms and acid [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21398581 - 03/12/15 04:30 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well, finally I'll eat some truffles and I'm thinking of upping the dose maybe 2g, from 10 to 12g. Do you think those 2g will make a difference or should I go more towards the 15g range?

I was considering making a tea but I like the duration of the trip so I think I'll just eat them 2 or 3 hours after taking a light meal, hoping that the body load doesn't get too uncomfortable.

Thanks for all your good advice.

PD: It's probably going to be the Hollandia truffles.

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