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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: elasticaltiger]
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Yesum]
#25225686 - 05/24/18 01:48 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you yesum and tiger.
I'm gone for months, and make one post. Look how hard he goes at it. Really goes to show how badly 13 wants to be like that and the ridiculous extents he'll stoop to to posture any reason to get at me even after all this time. I wish I could say this was a new low, but actually it was just caught by someone else first, and at a minimum at least as well.
I would like to also add that there are many other side pin micro-factors like length of consolidation and light, and perhaps even temperature fluctuations and the effect that has on moisture levels next to the containers. All of these can be managed to some extent if you care. But it really only matters if you like your substrate really deep.
If you keep them a bit more shallow, side pins will only matter if your culture/environment/whatnot will be so prone to them that pins form mostly on the bottom.
And as a big time culture hound allow me to assure you twice over that there is a genetic element to pinning location.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
#25225843 - 05/24/18 03:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said: I would like to also add that there are many other side pin micro-factors like length of consolidation and light, and perhaps even temperature fluctuations and the effect that has on moisture levels next to the containers. All of these can be managed to some extent if you care. But it really only matters if you like your substrate really deep.
If you keep them a bit more shallow, side pins will only matter if your culture/environment/whatnot will be so prone to them that pins form mostly on the bottom.
And as a big time culture hound allow me to assure you twice over that there is a genetic element to pinning location.
Im really glad you mentioned light as a factor because everyone seems to say it plays no part in side pinning. In my experience it absolutely can play a part. As you've pointed out, there are many factors that contribute to pin formation. Some definitely carry more weight than others but it's definitely a big picture thing.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: elasticaltiger]
#25226959 - 05/25/18 03:36 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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this has zero to do with me not liking violet, I just dont like misinfo being spread and Im talking about cubensis only cus thats what is being grown here..
you both just described environmental conditions not genetics that cause sidepins.. again they grow where conditions are best not because their genetic characteristics. that would be like saying some humans only grow in africa cus their genetic makeup says so.. they grow where they thrive and that could be anywhere. if one of your strains fruits better on the sides then your conditions are more favorable there and that strain just yields well if it pinned "more" than another strain might have.. yield would be genetic not where it actually pinned at.. thats conditional.
and about light...
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light isn't even the major factor in which direction mushrooms grow. Wind or other air currents is the first. Light is the second, and then finally gravity is the third. As for pinning, full colonization of the substrate is the most important pinning trigger. If there are contaminants present in a substrate, the mushroom mycelium generally stops growing when it contacts them. This represents full colonization because the mycelium has hit a natural barrier, and often pins begin to develop, whether light is present or not. The second most important pinning trigger is an increase in air exchange, with the corresponding drop in CO2 levels that occurs simultaneously. When you uncover a tray to look at it, you allow the CO2 to escape and be replaced by fresh air. THIS is a pinning trigger, even if you do it in the dark. Third, which goes along with second, is a steady rate of evaporation of moisture from the substrate or casing layer. In the artificial environment of a small tray, we must mist to keep the substrate or casing from drying out, but we also must allow that moisture to evaporate off between mistings. Fourth, when the above three triggers are active, light becomes a pinning/growth initiation factor. If one waits too long to apply the casing layer, or the other factors listed above are in effect prior to light OR the casing layer being applied, primordia will begin to form, which will then push up through to the surface, whether or not it has been fully or even partially colonized. By the same token, if light is applied and the other, more important factors have not been met, primordia will NOT form. *The major pinning triggers are in order of importance, full colonization, a decrease in CO2 levels due to increased air exchange (not gas exchange which is minimal), a steady rate of evaporation from the substrate or casing layer, and lastly, light. Hyphal knots form best in 100% humidity, but I didn't list that because it's not a pinning trigger, but rather an environmental condition that is necessary. That's why we use casing layers. The casing helps to provide the 100% humidity right at the surface of the substrate where the hyphal knots form. I have seen no correlation with temperature drop whatsoever. In the summer, my growing chambers are 10 or more degrees warmer than the open shelves I incubate on due to the heating effects of the lights. Even with a temperature increase, I still get wall-to-wall pinsets, so I don't consider temp drop relevant at all to tropical species. Other growers disagree of course, but that's just my observation after many years. Full colonization of the substrate is the number 1 pinning trigger. Full colonization can be when the mycelium reaches the physical border of the container they are in, or when they run up against a biological border, such as a contaminant species. Either way, they see they have colonized all of what is available to them, so they then enter the next phase, which is reproduction. There must be evaporation of moisture from the substrate for pins to form. A waterlogged substrate will just sit there forever without pinning. Even in 99% humidity, as long as you provide fresh air, moisture will be evaporating away from the substrate, and this is necessary for pinning. We mist to replenish the lost moisture, and then allow it to dry slightly before misting again. This keeps the moisture content high, and keeps the humidity at the casing surface near 100%, but at the same time provides the evaporation of moisture that is a very important pinning trigger. During colonization, we provide very small holes in the jars or tubs for gas exchange. We want a high CO2 environment during colonization, because this prevents the mycelium from consuming all of the substrate. The mycelium colonizes the substrate, but doesn't 'eat it all up' due to the high CO2 levels. During fruiting, we remove the covers to provide air exchange, which is at a much higher level then the minimal gas exchange provided during colonization. This increase in air exchange lowers the CO2 levels, and is a major pinning trigger. At this time, the mycelium begins to consume the substrate it has previously colonized, and we notice during fruiting that our substrates pull away from the sides of the container. This is not due to moisture loss, but rather due to the mycelium 'eating' the substrate and turning it into CO2, a waste product. It is easily proved that this shrinking isn't related to moisture loss, because even when we dunk a bulk substrate, it doesn't return to its pre-flush size. Last, but not by any means least is exposure to light. Light does much more than just tell the mushrooms which way to grow. There are mechanisms in the light that stimulate the formation of hyphal knots as well, and light at the higher end of the spectrum (blue) definitely, absolutely stimulate more hyphal knots (which grow into primordia, which then morph into pins) than light at the lower end of the spectrum (red) This does not mean to get a 'mood light' with a blue lens, but rather to select lights such as metal halide, or much more economical is 'natural daylight' fluorescent that emit light at around 6,000 Kelvin to 7,500 Kelvin depending on the brand. Cool white fluorescent emit light at around 5,000 Kelvin and the 'red' incandescent emit light at around 3,000 Kelvin. The higher the light temperature in Kelvin, the more stimulatory it is to hyphal knot formation.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
#25227082 - 05/25/18 05:35 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Being a culture hound because you need cultures that do well in atypical conditions.
@leaf. Both of those tubs didn't do well so it's a bad comparison IMO. It looks like they had side pins, lack of pins, and pale caps from a lack of optimal conditions. I make judgements and opinions off of tubs that fruit prolifically because then at least i know conditions were at some standard. I jist think that particular culture could fill the entire top and the the side pin theory would be really silly.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
#25227298 - 05/25/18 08:18 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: this has zero to do with me not liking violet, I just dont like misinfo being spread and Im talking about cubensis only cus thats what is being grown here..
you both just described environmental conditions not genetics that cause sidepins.. again they grow where conditions are best not because their genetic characteristics. that would be like saying some humans only grow in africa cus their genetic makeup says so.. they grow where they thrive and that could be anywhere. if one of your strains fruits better on the sides then your conditions are more favorable there and that strain just yields well if it pinned "more" than another strain might have.. yield would be genetic not where it actually pinned at.. thats conditional.
and about light...
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light isn't even the major factor in which direction mushrooms grow. Wind or other air currents is the first. Light is the second, and then finally gravity is the third. As for pinning, full colonization of the substrate is the most important pinning trigger. If there are contaminants present in a substrate, the mushroom mycelium generally stops growing when it contacts them. This represents full colonization because the mycelium has hit a natural barrier, and often pins begin to develop, whether light is present or not. The second most important pinning trigger is an increase in air exchange, with the corresponding drop in CO2 levels that occurs simultaneously. When you uncover a tray to look at it, you allow the CO2 to escape and be replaced by fresh air. THIS is a pinning trigger, even if you do it in the dark. Third, which goes along with second, is a steady rate of evaporation of moisture from the substrate or casing layer. In the artificial environment of a small tray, we must mist to keep the substrate or casing from drying out, but we also must allow that moisture to evaporate off between mistings. Fourth, when the above three triggers are active, light becomes a pinning/growth initiation factor. If one waits too long to apply the casing layer, or the other factors listed above are in effect prior to light OR the casing layer being applied, primordia will begin to form, which will then push up through to the surface, whether or not it has been fully or even partially colonized. By the same token, if light is applied and the other, more important factors have not been met, primordia will NOT form. *The major pinning triggers are in order of importance, full colonization, a decrease in CO2 levels due to increased air exchange (not gas exchange which is minimal), a steady rate of evaporation from the substrate or casing layer, and lastly, light. Hyphal knots form best in 100% humidity, but I didn't list that because it's not a pinning trigger, but rather an environmental condition that is necessary. That's why we use casing layers. The casing helps to provide the 100% humidity right at the surface of the substrate where the hyphal knots form. I have seen no correlation with temperature drop whatsoever. In the summer, my growing chambers are 10 or more degrees warmer than the open shelves I incubate on due to the heating effects of the lights. Even with a temperature increase, I still get wall-to-wall pinsets, so I don't consider temp drop relevant at all to tropical species. Other growers disagree of course, but that's just my observation after many years. Full colonization of the substrate is the number 1 pinning trigger. Full colonization can be when the mycelium reaches the physical border of the container they are in, or when they run up against a biological border, such as a contaminant species. Either way, they see they have colonized all of what is available to them, so they then enter the next phase, which is reproduction. There must be evaporation of moisture from the substrate for pins to form. A waterlogged substrate will just sit there forever without pinning. Even in 99% humidity, as long as you provide fresh air, moisture will be evaporating away from the substrate, and this is necessary for pinning. We mist to replenish the lost moisture, and then allow it to dry slightly before misting again. This keeps the moisture content high, and keeps the humidity at the casing surface near 100%, but at the same time provides the evaporation of moisture that is a very important pinning trigger. During colonization, we provide very small holes in the jars or tubs for gas exchange. We want a high CO2 environment during colonization, because this prevents the mycelium from consuming all of the substrate. The mycelium colonizes the substrate, but doesn't 'eat it all up' due to the high CO2 levels. During fruiting, we remove the covers to provide air exchange, which is at a much higher level then the minimal gas exchange provided during colonization. This increase in air exchange lowers the CO2 levels, and is a major pinning trigger. At this time, the mycelium begins to consume the substrate it has previously colonized, and we notice during fruiting that our substrates pull away from the sides of the container. This is not due to moisture loss, but rather due to the mycelium 'eating' the substrate and turning it into CO2, a waste product. It is easily proved that this shrinking isn't related to moisture loss, because even when we dunk a bulk substrate, it doesn't return to its pre-flush size. Last, but not by any means least is exposure to light. Light does much more than just tell the mushrooms which way to grow. There are mechanisms in the light that stimulate the formation of hyphal knots as well, and light at the higher end of the spectrum (blue) definitely, absolutely stimulate more hyphal knots (which grow into primordia, which then morph into pins) than light at the lower end of the spectrum (red) This does not mean to get a 'mood light' with a blue lens, but rather to select lights such as metal halide, or much more economical is 'natural daylight' fluorescent that emit light at around 6,000 Kelvin to 7,500 Kelvin depending on the brand. Cool white fluorescent emit light at around 5,000 Kelvin and the 'red' incandescent emit light at around 3,000 Kelvin. The higher the light temperature in Kelvin, the more stimulatory it is to hyphal knot formation.
What's "optimal conditions" to one strain or species may not be "optimal conditions" to another.
What's the difference?
Oh yeah, genetics. Genetics determine how a mushroom will respond to which conditions.
I would never go from thread to thread to telling people that they should wrap up their tubs in black duct tape and that they should focus on pinning location when picking their clones but saying that genetics play absolutely no role in where a mushroom likes to pin is ignorant at best and just wrong because genetics determine everything about what mushrooms like and how they will respond to conditions.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: elasticaltiger]
#25227507 - 05/25/18 09:57 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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you are confusing environmental factors with genetics, genetics (im only talking cubensis) determine colors/size/yield/potency etc.. not where they grow.. its not genetics that make side pins that is environment because the environment needed for pinning is at the sides instead of the surface. if your conditions were best on the surface then it would pin there but it pins where environmental conditions are best. thats not genetics thats conditional.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
#25227577 - 05/25/18 10:34 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe some genetics require more optimal conditions, so the sides become that much more appealing but even then.. it's still fruiting where conditions are more favorable(that's environmental imo)
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: mushboy]
#25227785 - 05/25/18 11:57 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Even Mushboy gets it better lol
Funny how people want to ignore entangled biological factors when they wanna hate on somebody for talking about them
Bodhi, I can only presume you’re talking about watering? Only slightly true if so but yeah kinda
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
#25227798 - 05/25/18 12:06 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say it's entangled. It's directly controlled by the cultivator. Side pins happen because we fuck up.
Not because it's in the shrooms dna.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: mushboy]
#25227810 - 05/25/18 12:13 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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With regular cubes I almost never see side pins before first flush and I don't use liners. But then I had this KSSS culture once that grew all over the surface but that wasn't enough apparently so it grew shrooms on all six sides, and even fucking potatoes inside the substrate, liner, no liner, it wouldn't care.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: mushboy]
#25227815 - 05/25/18 12:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Genetics determine Everything about an organism. Including how it will respond to conditions. It's not just fruit size and potency.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
#25235300 - 05/29/18 02:22 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said: Funny how people want to ignore entangled biological factors when they wanna hate on somebody for talking about them
funny how you think this is about you, imagine that, your ego is astounding. I just dont like when you think your observations are more factual than the actual science.
you spew what you think are "facts" when its just what you think is going on when I recite science and use the last 20 yrs of knowledge of cultivators that have done all the leg work and documented the science behind the life cycle of mushrooms. you know facts, that you like to ignore.
you can think my responses are vindictive and "hate" but Im just correcting your misinfo that you misguide all these noobs that follow you blindly not knowing any better. and you just keep dismissing anything I say and continue to mislead future cultivators.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
#25235322 - 05/29/18 03:00 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said: Hm it's almost as if he was talking about doing exactly that in his post.
Also, it's both.
Nice posts redwoodmyc, keep em coming, and sorry for the rare responses.
Thanks Violet. I've learnt so much from your posts, really love your work, so it's great to see your response here.
Here's a pic of one of my first batch of multi-spore inoculated containers. With some gnarly looking fruits
You can tell its my first try because I screwed the lid on too soon after pulling the container out of the PC and the side collapsed in. Lesson learnt!
Here's another MS container
These are both 1 liter containers, the the lower wider mouth kind, the only ones that would fit in my rather small PC. I've been removing the lid and putting another empty container on top of these when the fruits start growing towards the top of the container. A little bit of tape holds it in place. This seems to work fine for the final stage of growth
And here's a pic of one of my tester containers that are half the size (500ml).
These ones started fruiting even before I cracked the lid. I'm not in a position to wade into any of the debates happening here but on the side pinning thing this is really interesting to me
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Violet said: But it really only matters if you like your substrate really deep.
If you keep them a bit more shallow, side pins will only matter if your culture/environment/whatnot will be so prone to them that pins form mostly on the bottom.
This makes sense in relation to what I've seen in my test grows in the smaller containers.
Without wading in to fungi genetics there are definitely genetic factors that contribute to organisms thriving in particular environmental conditions. Here's one example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_adaptation_in_humans
In fact environmental factors (including the climate) are really high up on the list of things that can be selected for through genetics and evolution, after all if you can adapt to a particular environmental niche that isn't been exploited by your kin your have will have an advantage and be more likely to pass on your genes.
The question in this case is how much genetic variation is available that might influence the fruiting preference of a particular strain in relation to the micro-climates that we find in plastic container. That clearly depends on the genetics that you start with but I don't think you can say there is no genetic variation that is relevant to this question without doing some serious science, (DNA sequencing, maybe even genetic knock outs etc).
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Redwoodmyc]
#25235392 - 05/29/18 04:51 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redwoodmyc said: doing some serious science, (DNA sequencing, maybe even genetic knock outs etc).
its already been done, thats why I can say what I say.. I get my info from those whom do this mycology stuff for a living.. not a part time hobbyist. Ive read the papers on the dna sequencing of cubensis from Alan Rockefeller. he posts most of his results on some FB fungi groups. just him and ask.
evolution and whats passed on genetically isnt the same as current environmental factors during a grow. the genes change to a point with each life cycle but Im speaking of the side pinning tendencies. mushrooms grow where conditions are best.
if you get pins on all sides then conditions are favorable everywhere, if you get side pins and no surface pins then thats where conditions were best. if you want to call that genetics then only in that they prefer the conditions needed to grow and grow there. NOT the genes tell them to only grow on the sides.. if conditions arent favorable for growth then it wont grow.. thats not genetics thats ENVIRONMENT.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Redwoodmyc]
#25235397 - 05/29/18 04:57 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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In fact environmental factors (including the climate) are really high up on the list of things that can be selected for through genetics and evolution, after all if you can adapt to a particular environmental niche that isn't been exploited by your kin your have will have an advantage and be more likely to pass on your genes.
Ive been attempting this very thing for years with zero success.. trying to find the indoor fruiting genes in liberty caps.. they wont grow in less than optimal conditions for their species.. picky blokes.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10977263#10977263
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
#25235605 - 05/29/18 08:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude, you already failed. You can fluff up your pretense and whittle this biological complexity down to a barbaric point to stab me with all you want. You’ll just miss again. While you jerk yourself off about all the “science” you think you’re “reciting”, people can see you’re bastardizing actual bio and grow understanding to attempt a petty and pathetic takedown, as usual. Nobody’s biting that doesn’t already share your bias, and even they know better than to die on this dumb fucking hill.
In hundreds of my containers with identical conditions, genetic variations of fruiting behaviors, including pinning sites, are quite easily seen and selected. Period.
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
#25235632 - 05/29/18 08:35 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm going to clone side pins and try to get grows that make nearly all side pins or at least disproportionately so. I have a feeling I'll fail miserably at stabilizing side pinning. Maybe if i took wild genetics and did spore to spore grows selecting for side pinning I would have less fail. But still your not going to turn a species that preferably pins on horizontal surfaces to prefer vertical without a hefty amount of selection. When humans do that much selection that it fundamentally changes the organism we usually find it to be a entirely new species in some cases, or at least call it a new breed. Like dairy cows vs buffalo
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: bodhisatta]
#25235642 - 05/29/18 08:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I'm going to clone side pins and try to get grows that make nearly all side pins or at least disproportionately so. I have a feeling I'll fail miserably at stabilizing side pinning. Maybe if i took wild genetics and did spore to spore grows selecting for side pinning I would have less fail. But still your not going to turn a species that preferably pins on horizontal surfaces to prefer vertical without a hefty amount of selection. When humans do that much selection that it fundamentally changes the organism we usually find it to be a entirely new species in some cases, or at least call it a new breed. Like dairy cows vs buffalo
Everyone knows bod never gets side pins. I think you overestimate how many generations it would take to pull off.
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bodhisatta
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: elasticaltiger]
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I get one or two here and there lol
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