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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21381360 - 03/09/15 03:51 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

lol i thought you may have a link.
you can see how this wrapping could be useful if it is possible to extend fruiting to point of contam or old age in a hydro setup. :smile:

so many aspects to work on lol
*nutrient*
*truly inert sub*
*membrane surface area*
* contam barrier and sub protection*
*ph management*


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for hydroponics mushrooms [Re: rxb]
    #21381565 - 03/09/15 07:01 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't make lcs but i would assume to an extant even if microscopic ,sclerotia will exist on all myc that produces it.



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well i dont think thats exactly how it works but i guess im going to give something a try



why not?It makes seance to me... microscopic scleritia for on agar so why wouldn't they form on myceilum suspended in water.

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for hydroponics mushrooms [Re: bw86]
    #21381575 - 03/09/15 07:10 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i agree bw after all sclerotia are a survival strategy too store energy incase they dont fruit or spores dont achieve their goal and to secure the next generation.
it makes sense that they would try to store the nutrients in the LC as they are not able to fruit.

there just like potatoes lol


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21387007 - 03/10/15 01:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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i dont think any mushrooms will have been or will get to over 100g wet!!


Yes, I don't know where the other poster got the impression it was dry. To me it was clearly a fresh 10g shroom.

I am just making sure nobody is misquoting RR, which often happens, along with Paul Stamets and John Tyndall.

Here is a thread with a guy fruiting on a LC, with comments from RR and agar
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6324044/fpart/all/vc/1

Many years ago a guy called doc charlie was growing on floral foam, the green stuff you stick dried flowers into to make a flower display.

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for hydroponics mushrooms [Re: bw86]
    #21387051 - 03/10/15 01:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

hmm i could have sworn he said dry.Anyway i didnt quote anything
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im pretty sure that was supposed to be 10 grams dry too.




can we find the actual quote? i just looked and couldn't find it.

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for hydroponics mushrooms [Re: bw86]
    #21387125 - 03/10/15 01:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Those mycelium mats in LC are formed by not shacking and having enough GE and nutrients.


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for hydroponics mushrooms [Re: liquidclutter]
    #21387209 - 03/10/15 02:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for hydroponics mushrooms [Re: bw86]
    #21387314 - 03/10/15 02:30 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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can we find the actual quote? i just looked and couldn't find it.




I already posted one quote
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The contest was for someone to grow a ten gram fruit on an inert base using nothing but chemical nutrients, not solids such as brf cakes or grain LC which easily fruit in the jar if left long enough.
RR




10g dry would suggest about 100g wet, which is massive. This guy was posting about a very large shroom he grew which was 92.8g



RRs rules in this contest might have been strict, but there is no way he was asking for 10g dry.

another under 100g

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for hydroponics mushrooms [Re: blackout]
    #21387332 - 03/10/15 02:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

yeah i thought he wanted a massive mushroom grown underwater for a winner.I just remembered the task was impossible so i thought it was 10 grams dry.
anyway thanks for the clarification. i totally thought the challenge was to grow it underwater.

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for hydroponics mushrooms [Re: bw86]
    #21387502 - 03/10/15 03:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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*truly inert sub*



Agar is inert to mushroom mycelium. If you had a way of transferring nutrients and waste products in and out of it it could last indefinitely assuming it's free of organisms with the enzymes that can break it down.


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: Kizzle]
    #21387679 - 03/10/15 03:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i wonder how ultrasonic misters and gause would play out. you could have an injection port... i think i'd put in a drain... that way you can load it with alcohol, mist the alcohol for 10 hours... drain the alcohol... fill with water mist for a few hours... drain the system.... and load with nutrients/primordia and let cycle.... my concern would be that the mister killed the myc 


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. i cleaned a mold contaminated live culture and saved it. (might have useful applications)

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: blackout]
    #21396015 - 03/12/15 03:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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i dont think any mushrooms will have been or will get to over 100g wet!!


Yes, I don't know where the other poster got the impression it was dry. To me it was clearly a fresh 10g shroom.

I am just making sure nobody is misquoting RR, which often happens, along with Paul Stamets and John Tyndall.

Here is a thread with a guy fruiting on a LC, with comments from RR and agar
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6324044/fpart/all/vc/1



Many years ago a guy called doc charlie was growing on floral foam, the green stuff you stick dried flowers into to make a flower display.




thanks for that :thumbup:
yeah i thought about giving foam a try as its perfect frame/substrate to give the mycelium as its inert and its porosity and absorbent nature may help somewhat compared to rockwool.

and thanks kizzle i never knew agar was inert lol.
only problem is agar is not permeable/ porous and only works well as a 2d surface, as a 3d shape only surface will colonise  leading to reduced efficiency but i like your ideas and keep thinking... together the community should be able to crack this one!!


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21396274 - 03/12/15 06:47 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The myc may colonize the agar surface first but it will colonize through it as well.

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21396284 - 03/12/15 06:51 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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The myc may colonize the agar surface first but it will colonize through it as well.




You can kinda watch this happen if you add food coloring and leave em' go for a bit. Also noticed this when knocking up with wedges. The myc comes out from the edge/side instead of the top.


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21396975 - 03/12/15 10:38 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Agar is porous. The actual pore size is variable based on the concentration. Fungi colonize most quickly towards areas with the most oxygen which is generally near the surface.


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: Kizzle]
    #21400790 - 03/13/15 03:48 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

thank patsy, kiz and mushroom j!
you learn something new everyday!!

i really must get into agar soon ... been checking out your plates patsy, think thats the way im going to go when i make the jump.


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21403677 - 03/13/15 07:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i deeply wonder if this would ferment. yeasts produce alcohol, but i wonder if other fungi do as well. it would interesting to find out.


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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: rxb]
    #21404258 - 03/13/15 10:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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i deeply wonder if this would ferment. yeasts produce alcohol, but i wonder if other fungi do as well. it would interesting to find out.



Some heterofermentative bacteria can create alcohol but that usually gets transformed Into acetic acid.as for fungi maybe but the only ethanol producing fungi I know personally of is the yeasts.

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21404277 - 03/13/15 10:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Also agar is only inert to some fungi. There's a few out there that have agarase enzymes. agarlytic would be the word to use to look that up. Pectase is in cubes and why we can't make pectin dishes our cubes would turn them to liquid

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Re: ideas for mineral based nutrients solution for mushrooms [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21404793 - 03/14/15 02:40 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

wow bohdi never knew cubes used pectinase.... i would assume it is used to break down cell walls in plants?


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