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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: mocktrout]
    #21385545 - 03/10/15 03:07 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Is that mental illness anything really wants to cultivate? Do you want that mental illness breeding tons of kids all with the same type of genetic proclivities? Should this be something we spread all over the world out of compassion? Do you want more down syndrome kids then their already are, or would you rather have a decline in their numbers?

Any type of mental abnormality is not something we should protect. Suicide is abnormal.

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21385556 - 03/10/15 03:15 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Ya'll wanna talk about dwarinisim, skin colour isn't a part of it. Anxiety, Fear, Laziness, has no part in this society. Mental illness isn't something we should ever fully accept. Its something that needs to be destroyed. That doesn't equate to killing, just a systematic removal from the genetic pool.

There is the unfavourable, things we wish to change. The path there isn't always easy.

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #21385564 - 03/10/15 03:19 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Nobody wants to cultivate mental illness, but saying that mental illness is not as real as physical illness really doesn't help anyone. this mindset often prevents mentally ill people from seeking treatment.

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: mocktrout]
    #21385568 - 03/10/15 03:21 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, and you get rid of it by treating it, not by ignoring it.

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21385575 - 03/10/15 03:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

If we could start detecting these problems when a fetus is still a zygote, and terminating them, then you could eliminate every single genetic disorder known to man over time, without any of the negativity.

The increase in lifespan, and overall quality of life would be unimaginable.

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21385581 - 03/10/15 03:24 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, but we can't so what's your alternative?

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: mocktrout]
    #21385586 - 03/10/15 03:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Learning how to. Genetics isn't out of our control.  I think its kind of stupid to think that intelligent life wouldn't eventually reach the capability to manipulate its own image.

We're already learning how to manipulate the biosphere to produce the most food possible for us. These are pretty simple comprehensions of the natural order.

Fuller grasps of the ecosystem will lead to richer utilizations of the energy of the sun. Eventually, we will reach a level where we are cooperating with the galactic alliance.

and genocide is a very important part of this process.

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21385604 - 03/10/15 03:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah but that doesn't really help people living with mental illness right now, does it? And how would you persuade people to do something about this if you don't acknowledge it as a real problem? Put differently, why would I kill a zygote if I can just tell it to "stop its whining and man up" when it grows up?

Edited by mocktrout (03/10/15 03:48 AM)

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: mocktrout]
    #21385625 - 03/10/15 03:54 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Selfish!


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: mocktrout]
    #21385627 - 03/10/15 03:54 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Sell fish!


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: twighead]
    #21385819 - 03/10/15 06:33 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Um don't you think most illness is environmental? Pretty sure eugenics like that based on genetics would be highly ineffective


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: SurReality]
    #21385870 - 03/10/15 07:01 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

They're both intertwined but genetics are the culprit of many things. In general genetic diseases/disorers are physiological defects that confers no advantages on those who inherit them. Eugenics measures to reduce them and the gene responsible.

Nurture?

Have you heard any success stories from addicts whom travelled all over the world to get away from the drugs, no nurture will change how you are. Not to say people can't be conditioned to act differently (with vast consequences...)

That was weaksauce troll attempt by the way but I understand. US media is stern on make-believe stories how everyone can grow up we just have to love them and take care of them and take them out of their bad enviroment, equality :kingtard:.

Jokes on you :lol:

Edited by Beanhead (03/10/15 07:03 AM)

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21386144 - 03/10/15 08:56 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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You got me fucked up there breh, those reasons are exactly why I have no tolerance for these lesser problems, the ones about some people not liking you, of not taking control of your own direction. Being shot in the gut is a much different reason for suicide compared to not wanting to live anymore because a 6 month old girlfriend dumped you. Its being needy, its being childish, and there shouldn't be any empathy for that type of behaviour. We live in a  world with a very strict set of rules. We know what it takes to accomplish shit, that isn't one of them. Theres no room for weakness here.




You keep acting like depression is caused by stupid trivial shit. Many people are depressed their entire lives and it's not because of a 6 month girlfriend. You don't get the entire point of that picture. You wouldn't say those things to people with physical illnesses so why do you think it's okay to say it to people with mental illnesses? Just because you're lucky enough not to have a mental illness doesn't mean they don't exist and doesn't make them any less debilitating than a physical illness or deformity.

I don't understand you Bodhi. You say this is how you feel, but you say you're not incompassionate. You know they've done studies on this type of bullshit you're spewing and it encourages suicide. It does nothing to prevent it or help anyone that is suffering so why don't you take your edgy cool "everyones life is easy because mine is" attitude somewhere else.


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Deadheadcaps]
    #21386186 - 03/10/15 09:07 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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You keep acting like depression is caused by stupid trivial shit. Many people are depressed their entire lives and it's not because of a 6 month girlfriend. You don't get the entire point of that picture. You wouldn't say those things to people with physical illnesses so why do you think it's okay to say it to people with mental illnesses? Just because you're lucky enough not to have a mental illness doesn't mean they don't exist and doesn't make them any less debilitating than a physical illness or deformity.

I don't understand you Bodhi. You say this is how you feel, but you say you're not incompassionate. You know they've done studies on this type of bullshit you're spewing and it encourages suicide. It does nothing to prevent it or help anyone that is suffering so why don't you take your edgy cool "everyones life is easy because mine is" attitude somewhere else.




I don't agree with that. People are born with depression mental illnesses when they are born, but the amount that are actually severe cases which can't be corrected naturally are a sheer few. Compared to what society has deemed an official illness. Everybodies mental these days:peace:

This is just one short knights opinion though:sunny:


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Shortknight]
    #21386202 - 03/10/15 09:15 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that there are a lot of people who can be treated and thats what we should be focusing on. Helping people with mental illnesses not telling them to "suck it up". Depression is not untreatable, but to say that it is caused by trivial things is bullshit. 20% of the 350 million people with depression go their entire life without ever getting better. I wouldn't call 20% a sheer few.


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Deadheadcaps]
    #21386231 - 03/10/15 09:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Out of people I know on depression pills, I would say 1 in 7 actually need to be on them. It is still self curable if they would "suck it up". Its a scary road. I've seen very happy people just fall off the rocks once then hop on the "easy route" then to be changed forever. Its straight up hooking people on drugs. Alot of the time* Not all the time.:peace:

You have really admirable intentions though.:yinyang: Keep on doin' what you believe in.

Shorty:psychsplit:


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Shortknight] * 1
    #21386245 - 03/10/15 09:32 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Oh I totally agree if you want to go down the pharmaceutical route. Medications are rarely the answer, usually only in very extreme cases. Adderall and antidepressants are over prescribed like crazy. Doctors throw antipsychotics out like crazy and the drugs usually do more bad than good. Some people totally do need to be on medication and it really helps them, me personally refused to take what was given to me.

Medications are just getting depressed people high so they can go on with their daily routine and forget about their depression. Adderall is one carbon molecule off from meth. It's just pure amphetamine. It causes your brain to release a large amount of dopamine while blocking the receptors so it is not reabsorbed. It literally just gets you high. Paxil and antidepressants do the same thing, they target seratonin receptors and let the brain get flooded with seratonin. Then people become used to these raised dopamine and seratonin levels and their depression is even worse in the long run.

Medication is not the answer and part of the problem is the way that we treat mental illness. Most people like Bodhu don't understand it and think you should just get over it. Mental illness should be treated with compassion, therapy, psychedelic sessions....You shouldn't just get a pill thrown at you daily and be told to suck it up and move on with your life. Just causes people to suppress emotions and come out even more fucked up.


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Deadheadcaps]
    #21386268 - 03/10/15 09:38 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Shortknight, just out of curiosity, how do you know exactly whose depression is self curable and whose isn't?

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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Shortknight]
    #21386325 - 03/10/15 09:59 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I can't definitely. But I saw first hand a case that made it clearly observable that it can be real, a girl I use to date a few years back father got into a really bad car accident and it caused him to have brain damage. It made him depressed, and hes never been quite the same up there, a really genuine good man:sunny:, its sad:peace: He just isn't the same and can't get it back. Refuses to take the depression pills because it makes him "not feel like himself".  I don't blame him.

You can also see it time to time with group mentality. My parents are getting up there, still quite young inside:thumbup:, mid fifties. But theres a group she converses with alot and is friends with, well they discuss their bodies, their feelings, whats falling apart with them lol, you know, healthy stuff! Well one hops on anti depressants , two hop on anti depressants, the third thinks about it, everyone thinks about it, because they have the same symtoms, same feelings, WHY shouldn't they all get on them? (oh and I made add, they get so much more lame and old like when they take them, whine whine whine!!! haha)

It makes it a more difficult decision when you see it yourself that way. But there is a very good chance that all these women together ALL happen to be depressed. Im not God, so I can't determine everyone perfectly, its just my personal opinion from being a friend more a long part of my life.

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lol! I almost lost everything I wrote. I would have taken my bike and went home aha:tongue2:


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Re: Stop calling suicide victims selfish [Re: Shortknight]
    #21386356 - 03/10/15 10:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I get you man, and I agree that most of the time pills do more harm than good, I'm just saying that it's something happening to someone who isn't you, so it's really tricky to gauge who's self curable and who's not. That's all.

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