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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: SleepyE]
    #21381273 - 03/09/15 02:07 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Those lyrics say to me that when you take psychedelics you elevate way too high, that you're too good for this earth, and will find peace upon your decease.  Potent lyrics, beautiful song, but not really the story I'd want to identify with.  I'd rather find peace right here in the trenches, where I spend 99.9% of my time.




i guess my interpretation is a little different, But the end result is peace is the trenches, but sometimes you need a break from the trenches to experience some level of love when shit is chaotic and frightening and lonely.:crazy:


flying too high is just going too far off balance, but sometimes you need to go off balance to help you define what balance truly is.




Depends on how many times you crash face first into a tree.  After awhile, I'd figure you'd work your way up from the bottom.


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21381275 - 03/09/15 02:11 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

What if you could inspire everyone in this reality to change how shitty they are making it?

I'd love for an ultimate truth to come upon us showing and proving to everyone how it would be completely irrational to keep behaving in their reckless unloving ways. But these seem like only wishes :frown:


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: CosmicJoke] * 1
    #21381277 - 03/09/15 02:15 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Those lyrics say to me that when you take psychedelics you elevate way too high, that you're too good for this earth, and will find peace upon your decease.  Potent lyrics, beautiful song, but not really the story I'd want to identify with.  I'd rather find peace right here in the trenches, where I spend 99.9% of my time.




i guess my interpretation is a little different, But the end result is peace is the trenches, but sometimes you need a break from the trenches to experience some level of love when shit is chaotic and frightening and lonely.:crazy:


flying too high is just going too far off balance, but sometimes you need to go off balance to help you define what balance truly is.




Depends on how many times you crash face first into a tree.  After awhile, I'd figure you'd work your way up from the bottom.



:lol: i think reality is a dance that requires perfect timing and balancing of experiences that its almost impossible not to slip up, especially when you are dealing with more complex realities that aren't just wake up and go to work, then sleep, repeat.

higher complexity, higher stakes, higher potential for disasters.


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #21381287 - 03/09/15 02:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I think one just grows as they grow in whatever direction, only when you're around other humans can your growth be scored as slip ups and disasters.


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21381364 - 03/09/15 03:54 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

that's true :smile:
i appreciate this little chat we had,

believe it or not it actually eased some of the confusion and anxiety i have been having.
I think I understand whats happening here again.

I just need to find a way i can keep this confusion and anxiety from controlling me and sapping me of energy so i can pressing on without it crippling me mentality.
honestly my life would be peanuts if this shit wasn't weighing me down, it would be soo much easier to focus on getting myself in a better spot.

I think im in an okay spot morally so that's something at least :shrug:

I want to be able to work again and do school but that shit is kind of impossible if you are having a heart attack every 2 hours in a day :frown:
I'll try to anyways, but i feel like working on art will be a good thing for me.
i want to improve my technical skills so i think that i can find refuge in that expression.


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21382236 - 03/09/15 11:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Those lyrics say to me that when you take psychedelics you elevate way too high, that you're too good for this earth, and will find peace upon your decease.  Potent lyrics, beautiful song, but not really the story I'd want to identify with.  I'd rather find peace right here in the trenches, where I spend 99.9% of my time.




i guess my interpretation is a little different, But the end result is peace is the trenches, but sometimes you need a break from the trenches to experience some level of love when shit is chaotic and frightening and lonely.:crazy:


flying too high is just going too far off balance, but sometimes you need to go off balance to help you define what balance truly is.




Depends on how many times you crash face first into a tree.  After awhile, I'd figure you'd work your way up from the bottom.



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I don't know CJ, but ethically, I wouldn't introduce the Ouija and its concomitant demonology into their culture any more than I would watch the progression of syphillis without treating it with penicillin as was done in the Tuskeegee study in Alabama with a Black population. Cultural isolation may well give populations protection from certain influences in the sense of Casteñedian "shields," from another favorite fiction of the Icelander. It could be that the formation of specific 'beliefs' becomes the very 'lens' through which such phenomena CAN manifest, like smoothing a chunk of ice to a convex shape until you can set paper on fire by the sun's rays through it. Poor metaphor? Perhaps. But once one is 'shaped,' there's no telling what kind of phenomena is able to manifest through certain symmetries.




I get your point of view, but I don't find any increased meaning out of this life from it... If that's the way it is, with demons from heal realms invading the material world and usurping people's consciousnesses, preying on vulnerabilities of cultural belief systems that happen to go against local taboos, I take a very nihilistic PoV.  Reality just ain't good enough for me,  rather it is utterly stupid and it sucks a fat one :shrug:.




I'm not stating as fact that Reality is necessarily populated by all manner of invisibles. It is an old way of seeing things, supported by the Bible, Qur'an, Gilgamesh Epic, Mahabharata, etc., which again is not to cite 'authority' from such sources, only that it occurred to or seemed to be that way to the ancients. Also, human lust and greed seems to be on a continuum, some of which are addressed by socio-cultural considerations, others by psychological considerations, and some by that 'twilight zone' where the psychological morphs beyond mere moral development (or its absence) to what that TV show was named: Most Evil  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Evil ; In Dr. Michael Stone's 22 point categories, one finds in the higher numbers behaviors that just elicit the epithet 'evil' over just 'sick.'

I had a professor of New Testament once who said to me that metaphor was more powerful than LSD. That stuck in my mind. There is the demoniac in the NT, illustrating part of a 1st century Judean weltanshauung, but like everything else in those 66 canonical books, very little remains literal-historical in my 'spiritualizing' mind. Of course, where would the whole genre of devil movies be without a Catholic take on this? The demon Pazuzu in The Exorcist was an ancient Assyrian king of the demons of the wind. Step into the stream of demonology and one finds connections. The legendary first wife of Adam, Lilith, rejected Adam for trying to make her subservient (male superior position), and left him to mate with demons in the desert, for example. In one of the vignettes of the book Hostage to the Devil, a possessed man reveals an infernal hierarchy, ostensibly from personal experience. These things do effect my sense of meaning in the simple sense of trusting compassion to be my moral compass. It's simple but profound.


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21385281 - 03/10/15 01:47 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, when I was a little kid I was into Star Wars....  It had its own metaphysics, yanno, that energy field created by all living things... The Force, of course :biggrin:. As you know, the Force has a light side where one could be aligned with honesty, compassion, mercy, self-sacrifice etc., as well as a dark side where power could be drawn from raw emotions of anger, hatred, greed, jealousy, fear, megalomania etc.... That dark side inevitably drove Anakin Skywalker into madness to become Darth Vader :nerd:.  It was an indubitably simple but satisfying parable about a general life energy one could be in harmony with or conflict with.

But imho,  the dark side of the Ouija Board is not demonological in nature, but rather one of con-artistry to part fools from their money, much like fortune telling.


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21386653 - 03/10/15 11:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Sure, when I was a little kid I was into Star Wars....  It had its own metaphysics, yanno, that energy field created by all living things... The Force, of course :biggrin:. As you know, the Force has a light side where one could be aligned with honesty, compassion, mercy, self-sacrifice etc., as well as a dark side where power could be drawn from raw emotions of anger, hatred, greed, jealousy, fear, megalomania etc.... That dark side inevitably drove Anakin Skywalker into madness to become Darth Vader :nerd:.  It was an indubitably simple but satisfying parable about a general life energy one could be in harmony with or conflict with.

But imho,  the dark side of the Ouija Board is not demonological in nature, but rather one of con-artistry to part fools from their money, much like fortune telling.





Yes, Parker Brothers has made incalculable amounts of moolah from their Ouija ('Yes' in French & German - Say 'Yes' to possession!) 'game,' but there are articles and at least the one book that I have read, shared, and cited here, which documents the phenomena of 'oppression' and 'possession,' whatever its psychospiritual cause. The 'psychic parasite' follows the Ouija practitioner to other homes apparently.* It is not merely an affirmation of paranormal activity that ensues, but nightmares, both literal and figuratively extended to waking life.

Of course there is the opposite camp of supporters: http://huffparanormal.com/2014/06/ouija-board-myths-fact-vs-fiction-vs-spirit-box/ Nevertheless, there are numerous warnings, and if the little book I illustrated is at all accurate, it is something to be avoided. For one thing, inviting any influence from "the spirit world" is a completely ambiguous expression. The Kabbalah has it Qlippothic mirror-image tree if infernal intelligences, as does Christian demonology (vs. angelology). The notion of demons is universal, from Eskimos to Aborigines, Europe to Asia to the Americas, and all the island nations I can think of. Whatever the ultimate nature of the disturbances, the invisible realm of the psyche seems to have "many mansions" as the celestial realms are supposed to.

There is the psychological realm of the Unconscious, wherein both personal and collective repositories of Shadow material may lie, waiting to be given release by automatic writing or other trance-inducing practices. Why, there are fundamentalist Christians who demonize hypnosis because the word 'trance' frightens them, even though we're doing psychological spelunking, not descending into The Inferno ("Abandon all hope ye who enter here").

* http://manchesterparanormal.org/The-Dangers-of-Ouija.php



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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21387440 - 03/10/15 03:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

That tattoo is nuts, really dig it!

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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: Connoisseur]
    #21387691 - 03/10/15 03:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I've always wanted to use a Ouija Board, though having seen a few horror movies about them I am a little apprehensive :lol:


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: newageshaman]
    #21388251 - 03/10/15 05:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Don't play with ouija boards; they're practically an invitation for dark energies; I'm sure light or nuetral spirits have better things to do...The one and only time I have ever seen a demon was literally a minute after playing with a ouija board at night with a friend in the forest. There was this dark looking creature on all fours by the edge of the forest; it stood up to resemble a tall man and we both freaked and left. The creepy part was how it looked; shaped like a man or something but was not physical or light, was like a black hole. I woke up that night and saw it standing over my bed and I felt the word "knave" something I'd never heard or known before.

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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: Connoisseur]
    #21388396 - 03/10/15 05:50 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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That tattoo is nuts, really dig it!




Maybe he wants the planchette moved around his back, and perhaps he WANTS to be possessed, become a Michael Myers, or a real-life David Berkowitz. :shrug:


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21390960 - 03/11/15 01:15 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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There is the psychological realm of the Unconscious, wherein both personal and collective repositories of Shadow material may lie, waiting to be given release by automatic writing or other trance-inducing practices. Why, there are fundamentalist Christians who demonize hypnosis because the word 'trance' frightens them, even though we're doing psychological spelunking, not descending into The Inferno ("Abandon all hope ye who enter here").





I've never personally witnessed anyone enter a trance state while using a Ouija Board, but rather I've seen people have a little bit of fun with suspended disbelief, from what I suspect is due to the psychophysiological effect known as the Ideomotor phenomenon, wherein a subject makes motions unconsciously.  To me, this is fun with perceptual psychology in action, and no different than the fun people have when participating in or witnessing a magic trick.

However, let's say that your interpretation is a possible outcome, that some negative aspects of the unconscious mind can usurp and take over an ego during trance states induced by a Ouija Board....  I'd think ya gotta admit this stuff isn't happening to the overwhelming majority of people who have played with a Ouija Board... Have you considered the reason that it happens to some people is that they have a predisposition to mental illness?


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21391823 - 03/11/15 09:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I've never personally witnessed anyone enter a trance state while using a Ouija Board, but rather I've seen people have a little bit of fun with suspended disbelief, from what I suspect is due to the psychophysiological effect known as the Ideomotor phenomenon, wherein a subject makes motions unconsciously.  To me, this is fun with perceptual psychology in action, and no different than the fun people have when participating in or witnessing a magic trick.

However, let's say that your interpretation is a possible outcome, that some negative aspects of the unconscious mind can usurp and take over an ego during trance states induced by a Ouija Board....  I'd think ya gotta admit this stuff isn't happening to the overwhelming majority of people who have played with a Ouija Board... Have you considered the reason that it happens to some people is that they have a predisposition to mental illness?

For the same reason that I would not want to hypnotize someone who has suffered psychotic breaks or is presently schizophrenic (and there are a lot of people with undiagnosed thought disorders), I think the Ouija board is literally saying 'Yes,Yes' to whatever alien contents that are external to consciousness. You're probably correct in the relative harmlessness of ideomotor responses, but I HAVE seen an adult woman become hysterical during a prayer session - screaming and crying like an uninhibited child because she was convinced her non-Christian parents were going to Hell forever. Then there are those who foam at the mouth, develop myoclonus, mimicking the tonic-clonic seizures of an epileptic - from being 'slain-in-the-spirit.' Even glossolalia is enough to set some people off. Now, in the context of a religious setting, the immediate population who are drawn to these beliefs accept these phenomena. Moreover, they interpret the phenomenon as proof of the special presence of the Holy Spirit - a positive thing.

OK, so just because these phenomena are widely held doesn't mean that they're not wrong interpretations and even delusions. So now jump to people who believe that the Ouija can put them in contact with deceased loved ones. A common Christian interpretation is that demons can hack our memories and present to us things that only we know about said loved ones, so we allow ourselves to be deceived by malevolent entities. But you want to remain in the province of psychology, which is reasonable from a post-modern secularist perspective. One could argue than autonomous complexes in the unconscious (the film Forbidden Planet's "Monsters from the Id!") may well-up if coaxed, and some people are more likely to yield such things. In hypnosis, btw, it is not that more gullible people are more easily hypnotized. Overly defensive and guarded people with trust issues, or clearly paranoid people, will resist the process, but one doesn't even have to relax to get hypnosis as many people think. Most people do not think they've been hypnotized, yet their symptoms have gone. It is transference that can get people to accept suggestions, without them even being in 'somnambulism' as I've recently experienced from a person who uses Xanax and Clonopin, which ordinarily interfere with hypnosis. It's the transference to me as a caring parent she never had that is the vector into her subconscious.

One can imagine the devotion to a real parent who is deceased, and how expectation (very important in hypnosis) can create changes. If they believe they're being guided by the lost relative, they will make changes in their life. But what if someone truly wants to be possessed by some entity because its empowering - like certain sub-personalities in a Dissociative Disorder (formerly Multiple Personality Disorder). The unconscious cobbles together the attributes in a Frankensteinian way so that deficits in the conscious personality can be compensated for. So, while some people want to 'receive the Holy Spirit,' Vodoun and Santeria followers want to be 'ridden' by L'wa/Orishas. These things are as well-documented as Pentecostalist revivals. Why not the Ouija as well? But what if, like the Frankenstein creation, this cobbled together sub-personality breaks its chains so-to-speak and attempts to dominate its creator. At first there is 'oppression,' but if successful, you get a 'possession' state. Only a truly disturbed individual would want to give up control - like adolescents who want to get 'fucked up' and give themselves an excuse to act out. It's also like that with people who attend stage-hypnotist shows, only not self-destructively. They want to have an excuse to act out foolishly, lasciviously, etc.


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21391880 - 03/11/15 09:32 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It's also simply yearning for proof that something supernatural exists.

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    #21393617 - 03/11/15 03:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It's also simply yearning for proof that something supernatural exists.




Well it's pretty evident to me that parapsychological functions exist (telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance I've experienced), and that paranormal phenomena also exist (I've seen an 'astral' critter phase in and out of the physical plane - as did my ex-wife AND our sheep dog). My wife arrived in Jamaica as a 7 year old and without anyone telling her 'stories' lest they frighten her, she saw classic duppies climb down a mango tree and walk down the veranda in front of her to disappear inside the house. He wore a high-colored cape covering his face, a top hat and dark clothes. (Similar to Baron Samdi in the Haitian Vodoun tradition). I've had various paranormal and parapsychological events in my 61 years on the planet.

But these things which belong to psychic/astral planes (depending upon the model one is going by), doesn't come close in importance to events that I deem psychospiritual and psychocosmic - spiritual in a word, including VERY specific answer to VERY specific prayer. So, God may be super and God may be natural, but the word supernatural simply means that the Reality in question transcends the natural. Given that Something was behind the Singularity from which space-time came forth, IT transcends all knowledge and physical law. Laws of nature evolved as the universe did from a Mystery to Unknown Energy, thence to the first protons and electrons, hydrogen and helium, fusion and the creation of all other elements, molecules, compounds, organic compounds, viral, bacterial and unicellular life. The Great Chain of Being up to human beings. How does anyone NOT see supernature unfolding as nature is what I want to know? :shrug:


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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21394051 - 03/11/15 05:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Would you be able to elaborate on some of the paranormal experiences you've had in your life markos? Especially ones that haven't occured while under the influence of any drastic mind altering drugs, non drug induced paranormal/spiritual experiences are IMO more interesting to hear about then ones accompanied by the consumption of psychedelic drugs. I've had a few myself such as having a woman in a dress literally end up flying through me, this was in sober life and this woman seemed to be made of a physical body till she passed through my body. The experience had me rather concerned as it happened, when she passed through me I felt like My body temp dropped to near freezing temperatures (considering it happened in a heatwave it was very surreal, especially when I hadn't touched any drugs for close to a month [minus caffeine and cigarrettes]).


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    #21394307 - 03/11/15 06:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It's also simply yearning for proof that something supernatural exists.




Well it's pretty evident to me that parapsychological functions exist (telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance I've experienced), and that paranormal phenomena also exist (I've seen an 'astral' critter phase in and out of the physical plane - as did my ex-wife AND our sheep dog). My wife arrived in Jamaica as a 7 year old and without anyone telling her 'stories' lest they frighten her, she saw classic puppies climb down a mango tree and walk down the veranda in front of her to disappear inside the house. He wore a high-colored cape covering his face, a top hat and dark clothes. (Similar to Baron Samdi in the Haitian Vodoun tradition). I've had various paranormal and parapsychological events in my 61 years on the planet.

But these things which belong to psychic/astral planes (depending upon the model one is going by), doesn't come close in importance to events that I deem psychospiritual and psychocosmic - spiritual in a word, including VERY specific answer to VERY specific prayer. So, God may be super and God may be natural, but the word supernatural simply means that the Reality in question transcends the natural. Given that Something was behind the Singularity from which space-time came forth, IT transcends all knowledge and physical law. Laws of nature evolved as the universe did from a Mystery to Unknown Energy, thence to the first protons and electrons, hydrogen and helium, fusion and the creation of all other elements, molecules, compounds, organic compounds, viral, bacterial and unicellular life. The Great Chain of Being up to human beings. How does anyone NOT see supernature unfolding as nature is what I want to know? :shrug:



Interesting stuff.  Haha, and your sheep dog.    I had a laugh at 'she saw classic puppies climb down a mango tree and walk down the veranda in front of her to disappear inside the house. He wore a high-colored cape covering his face, a top hat and dark clothes.'  I googled classic puppies and realised you're talking about shoes.

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Re: Ouija Boards [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21394495 - 03/11/15 06:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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However, let's say that your interpretation is a possible outcome, that some negative aspects of the unconscious mind can usurp and take over an ego during trance states induced by a Ouija Board....  I'd think ya gotta admit this stuff isn't happening to the overwhelming majority of people who have played with a Ouija Board... Have you considered the reason that it happens to some people is that they have a predisposition to mental illness?

For the same reason that I would not want to hypnotize someone who has suffered psychotic breaks or is presently schizophrenic (and there are a lot of people with undiagnosed thought disorders), I think the Ouija board is literally saying 'Yes,Yes' to whatever alien contents that are external to consciousness. You're probably correct in the relative harmlessness of ideomotor responses, but I HAVE seen an adult woman become hysterical during a prayer session - screaming and crying like an uninhibited child because she was convinced her non-Christian parents were going to Hell forever. Then there are those who foam at the mouth, develop myoclonus, mimicking the tonic-clonic seizures of an epileptic - from being 'slain-in-the-spirit.' Even glossolalia is enough to set some people off. Now, in the context of a religious setting, the immediate population who are drawn to these beliefs accept these phenomena. Moreover, they interpret the phenomenon as proof of the special presence of the Holy Spirit - a positive thing.

OK, so just because these phenomena are widely held doesn't mean that they're not wrong interpretations and even delusions. So now jump to people who believe that the Ouija can put them in contact with deceased loved ones. A common Christian interpretation is that demons can hack our memories and present to us things that only we know about said loved ones, so we allow ourselves to be deceived by malevolent entities. But you want to remain in the province of psychology, which is reasonable from a post-modern secularist perspective. One could argue than autonomous complexes in the unconscious (the film Forbidden Planet's "Monsters from the Id!") may well-up if coaxed, and some people are more likely to yield such things. In hypnosis, btw, it is not that more gullible people are more easily hypnotized. Overly defensive and guarded people with trust issues, or clearly paranoid people, will resist the process, but one doesn't even have to relax to get hypnosis as many people think. Most people do not think they've been hypnotized, yet their symptoms have gone. It is transference that can get people to accept suggestions, without them even being in 'somnambulism' as I've recently experienced from a person who uses Xanax and Clonopin, which ordinarily interfere with hypnosis. It's the transference to me as a caring parent she never had that is the vector into her subconscious.

One can imagine the devotion to a real parent who is deceased, and how expectation (very important in hypnosis) can create changes. If they believe they're being guided by the lost relative, they will make changes in their life. But what if someone truly wants to be possessed by some entity because its empowering - like certain sub-personalities in a Dissociative Disorder (formerly Multiple Personality Disorder). The unconscious cobbles together the attributes in a Frankensteinian way so that deficits in the conscious personality can be compensated for. So, while some people want to 'receive the Holy Spirit,' Vodoun and Santeria followers want to be 'ridden' by L'wa/Orishas. These things are as well-documented as Pentecostalist revivals. Why not the Ouija as well? But what if, like the Frankenstein creation, this cobbled together sub-personality breaks its chains so-to-speak and attempts to dominate its creator. At first there is 'oppression,' but if successful, you get a 'possession' state. Only a truly disturbed individual would want to give up control - like adolescents who want to get 'fucked up' and give themselves an excuse to act out. It's also like that with people who attend stage-hypnotist shows, only not self-destructively. They want to have an excuse to act out foolishly, lasciviously, etc.




Really?  You wouldn't say somebody who gets into hysterics while praying or speaking in tongues is more likely to be receptive to hypnotism?  You recently described somebody who couldn't get into a hypnotic state as lanky and cerebrotonic.... I'd wager you used those words for a reason, and it suggested to me that introverted, intellectual, less emotionally forthright types are probably less likely to be coaxed into a trance state. 

To me, it seems somebody who grew up in a mega church in Missouri is more likely to have a traumatic experience with a Ouija Board, while somebody who spent their Sundays with the Robotics program in 4-H developing their decision making and critical thinking skills will have an entirely different, potentially amusing, and otherwise benign experience....


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    #21394510 - 03/11/15 06:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i cant help but speak in tongues at high dose psilohuasca/pharmahausca

same glossolalia that terence mckenna spoke of :justdontknow:


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