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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Webster10]
    #21384142 - 03/09/15 07:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Somebody just got owned.



Thats prison rape.  The statement was that men get raped more than women.  Not that men get raped more than women in prison.

irrelevant.



is a woman or man in jail not a woman or man?

Illogical



Of course they are.  However, Zappa's statement was a universal.  In order to back up his statement, you would need global statistics of rape.

Like I said, your link was irrelevant.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Shroomism]
    #21384170 - 03/09/15 07:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so we're generalizing the actions of all modern day feminists based on blog compiling offensive statements made by feminists towards other feminists and MRA activists.  What is this supposed to prove now?  The author makes it clear that it is not intended to be a political statement right at the top and is designed to make SJWs look bad, since that is just a cool thing to do on the internet.  I think that is cherry picking just a bit :smirk:

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: TheMovement]
    #21384174 - 03/09/15 07:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
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Somebody just got owned.



Thats prison rape.  The statement was that men get raped more than women.  Not that men get raped more than women in prison.

irrelevant.



is a woman or man in jail not a woman or man?

Illogical



Of course they are.  However, Zappa's statement was a universal.  In order to back up his statement, you would need global statistics of rape.

Like I said, your link was irrelevant.



Are men and women in prison and jail not to be included in a global analysis?

Like I said, illogical.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Webster10]
    #21384208 - 03/09/15 07:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

You cannot site a small portion of the global population as evidence that "Men get raped more than women".  The only thing that your link asserts is " Men get raped more than women in prison"

Your link also fails to take into account the fact that, in the US, men are incarcerated at a 15:1 rate compared to females.  Now if you take into account the difference in incarceration rate, you would see that female prisoners get raped at a higher rate than male prisoners.  So, your link actually helps refute Zappa's assertion.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: TheMovement]
    #21384266 - 03/09/15 08:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think that swims.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: TheMovement]
    #21384375 - 03/09/15 08:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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You cannot site a small portion of the global population as evidence that "Men get raped more than women".  The only thing that your link asserts is " Men get raped more than women in prison"

Your link also fails to take into account the fact that, in the US, men are incarcerated at a 15:1 rate compared to females.  Now if you take into account the difference in incarceration rate, you would see that female prisoners get raped at a higher rate than male prisoners.  So, your link actually helps refute Zappa's assertion.



Look at you pulling facts out of thin air.

"You would see that female prisoners get raped at a higher rate than male prisoners."

Looks like you didn't read my link, which contained the real numbers. The report stated that men were raped at a higher rate than women in prison.

You're also not getting the point. Notice how this entire thread has been about feminism in America. The statistics undeniably prove that in terms of total rape in the US, men are more afflicted than women.

Sorry that you don't agree with the facts. Denying them won't make them go away :shrug:


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Webster10]
    #21384392 - 03/09/15 08:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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The statistics undeniably prove




Oh god.  I guess if people can believe the bible is literal someone can believe statistics are fact, but it is just beyond me.

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Webster10]
    #21384395 - 03/09/15 08:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

When did prison become not america? 

I agree with Webster on this one


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: mpd]
    #21384400 - 03/09/15 08:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I think it is bullshit to include prison statistics into any argument in normal society. Prison is the constant that is left out of society. Men aren't running around trying to fuck other men, they are fucking women. Put a man locked in a cage a choice between raping a female officer or male inmate and they would most likely go for the female officer unless they were straight up gay.

Then as previously said, men are incarcerated at a far higher rate then women. They are confined and limited to only male sexual interaction. Which accounts for the difference.

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According to official statistics on rape conviction rates, the U.S. Bureau of Justice said 91 per cent of the victims were women and 99 per cent of the perpetrators were men.

Just 9 per cent of accusations made by men resulted in a conviction.



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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21384404 - 03/09/15 08:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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The statistics undeniably prove




Oh god.  I guess if people can believe the bible is literal someone can believe statistics are fact, but it is just beyond me.



What, you can't pick any specific point of mine to refute, so you resort to doubting the ability of statistics to respresent reality as whole? News flash, the numbers don't lie.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Webster10]
    #21384425 - 03/09/15 08:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
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moonrockmushy said:
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The statistics undeniably prove




Oh god.  I guess if people can believe the bible is literal someone can believe statistics are fact, but it is just beyond me.



What, you can't pick any specific point of mine to refute, so you resort to doubting the ability of statistics to respresent reality as whole? News flash, the numbers don't lie.




I mean when you say the sky is orange and I say it is purple I can't really argue.  I am seriously calling into doubt the ability of statistics to represent reality as a whole.  I don't even know where to begin with that.

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21384434 - 03/09/15 08:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Even if you take into account these prison rape statistics it just goes to prove the point even further. Men are the ones perpetrating "rape". It's not women raping men in prison it's still Men raping..

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Gorlax]
    #21384436 - 03/09/15 08:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I think it is bullshit to include prison statistics into any argument in normal society. Prison is the constant that is left out of society. Men aren't running around trying to fuck other men, they are fucking women. Put a man locked in a cage a choice between raping a female officer or male inmate and they would most likely go for the female officer unless they were straight up gay.

Then as previously said, men are incarcerated at a far higher rate then women. They are confined and limited to only male sexual interaction. Which accounts for the difference.

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According to official statistics on rape conviction rates, the U.S. Bureau of Justice said 91 per cent of the victims were women and 99 per cent of the perpetrators were men.

Just 9 per cent of accusations made by men resulted in a conviction.






You can't ask for evidence of men being raped more than women, and then exclude satisfactory evidence because you personally don't feel prison and jail inmates are not a part of society. That is called changing the goal posts, an illogical argument tactic.

Men are running around fucking other men, at least in prison. That's what the numbers show, anyways.

Your caged gay man theory doesn't serve as evidence of anything, and I'm not quite sure why you included that fantasy.

The last paragraph's point is nonexistent.

That quote doesn't take into account prison statistics, which I have already enlightened you with.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21384444 - 03/09/15 08:54 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
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moonrockmushy said:
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The statistics undeniably prove




Oh god.  I guess if people can believe the bible is literal someone can believe statistics are fact, but it is just beyond me.



What, you can't pick any specific point of mine to refute, so you resort to doubting the ability of statistics to respresent reality as whole? News flash, the numbers don't lie.




I mean when you say the sky is orange and I say it is purple I can't really argue.  I am seriously calling into doubt the ability of statistics to represent reality as a whole.  I don't even know where to begin with that.



News flash, the numbers don't lie.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Gorlax]
    #21384450 - 03/09/15 08:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if you take into account these prison rape statistics it just goes to prove the point even further. Men are the ones perpetrating "rape". It's not women raping men in prison it's still Men raping..



The point was that men are raped more than women. In the US, that is just an irrefutable fact.

No one is denying rapists are men more often than not.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Webster10]
    #21384496 - 03/09/15 09:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if you take into account these prison rape statistics it just goes to prove the point even further. Men are the ones perpetrating "rape". It's not women raping men in prison it's still Men raping..



The point was that men are raped more than women. In the US, that is just an irrefutable fact.

No one is denying rapists are men more often than not.



So what you're saying is:

More male inmates get raped than female inmates
therefore, men get raped more than women.

The conclusion does not follow from the premise.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Webster10]
    #21384499 - 03/09/15 09:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Nobody said the United States prison system is not part of America. Of course the prison rapes should count when you are assessing total overall rapes. Nobody in this thread has denied that, and I don't understand why some of you guys are so confused. You are trying to site statistics on ONLY prison rapes as evidence supporting your claim. In doing so, you omit the rest of America, thus making your argument invalid. You keep saying that prison rapes matter, and they do, the reason TheMovement said your statistics were irrelevant is because as far as proving your assertion they do not suffice, which is perhaps what he should have said.

You would need statistics compiled on rapes both inside and outside of prison as well as across every country. Then could you attempt to use statistical facts to ascertain legitimate information on who gets raped more


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Webster10]
    #21384503 - 03/09/15 09:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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News flash, the numbers don't lie.




Unless those numbers come from modern feminists of course right?  The numbers that support you argument are FACT and the ones that conflict are LIES.

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: TheMovement]
    #21384518 - 03/09/15 09:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
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Even if you take into account these prison rape statistics it just goes to prove the point even further. Men are the ones perpetrating "rape". It's not women raping men in prison it's still Men raping..



The point was that men are raped more than women. In the US, that is just an irrefutable fact.

No one is denying rapists are men more often than not.



So what you're saying is:

More male inmates get raped than female inmates
therefore, men get raped more than women.

The conclusion does not follow from the premise.



No, what I'm saying is that more men are raped than women in the US. The total number of male rapes just in prison and jail is more than all of the female rapes in the US, whether it be in prison, jail or "normal society."


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Gorlax]
    #21384521 - 03/09/15 09:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Umm prison is not a part of society. They are people removed from society for certain reasons. Yes they are still humans whatever but they are not part of everyday society.

What also do you not understand about the fact that men are running around fucking men in prison because that's all the have to choose from? Not even taking into account that men are incarcerated significantly more then women which inflates the numbers.

I just don't see how including rape statistics of men into normal society works in this argument. It doesn't. That's like taking into account all the people who make shit money in prison and incorporating that into statistics about the median salary for men. You have to NEGATE them because they are in a different closed system!?

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