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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #21375734 - 03/07/15 06:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I was worried too.  But from what I noticed they stick to themselves if anything the cyans in the same beds as the ovoids did better after the ovoids had had thier huge spring flush??? Maybe they would have continued even better without the ovoids around idk....Fuck it.  From my experience I've noticed "wild" Wood lovers seem to die out after a year or three and then Hop to another close by area.

Also cyans and ovoids fruited right next to each other in the fall. The only worry I have is Ovoids seem to completely eat and destroy the wood in one year; which equals 2 flushes spring, and fall.


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #21376078 - 03/07/15 08:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)



Found some ovoid pins.

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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: Sk8nshram]
    #21376151 - 03/07/15 08:50 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

What kind of habitat are you guys finding these in?


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #21376904 - 03/08/15 03:57 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

ive noticed you guys get alot of ovoids in one patch why is that? largest ive found here in wv is 2 oz dry

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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #21377252 - 03/08/15 08:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Granted there are actual science people here. What are the thoughts on Ovoids becoming like Himalaya black berry to the native species and becoming dominant and squeezing out the native species. or like the carny reed grass. I would totally call it invasive




Or evolution :wink:


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: Psynonim] * 1
    #21377642 - 03/08/15 10:25 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It's hard to call anything "invasive" that is taking over a habitat like "mulch beds" and "mulched park paths."  :lol:  The prevalence of p. cyanescens in the first place was opportunistic exploitation of a man-made environmental niche.  I personally think there is room enough in the PNW for cyans and ovoids.  Stunzii I might be more worried about but I think they're getting rarer because climate change is making our winters warmer and dryer. :shrug:


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #21378425 - 03/08/15 02:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

No-I'll be moving to Kent.


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #21379930 - 03/08/15 07:10 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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It's hard to call anything "invasive" that is taking over a habitat like "mulch beds" and "mulched park paths."  :lol:  The prevalence of p. cyanescens in the first place was opportunistic exploitation of a man-made environmental niche.  I personally think there is room enough in the PNW for cyans and ovoids.




This.  Some people have found ovoids in their natural habitat of stream washes here in the PNW, but it seems like there isn't much of a natural habitat overlap with them and cyans.  From what I've been able to figure out cyans seem to like dune grass and ovoids stream wash. Please do eviscerate me if I am wrong!

I think a lot of our concern is based on the mega patch of ovoids from last year that happened here in portland, but that was from someone spraying a bunch of LC down, wasn't it?  If someone sprayed that much LC from cyans wouldn't we see the same thing?


FWIW, this entire post is speculation.


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: WaviCap]
    #21381278 - 03/09/15 02:15 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

do you know what elevation to look for these gems at? please

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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: Psynonim]
    #21384125 - 03/09/15 07:31 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Granted there are actual science people here. What are the thoughts on Ovoids becoming like Himalaya black berry to the native species and becoming dominant and squeezing out the native species. or like the carny reed grass. I would totally call it invasive




Or evolution :wink:




yeah we see so much evolution in plant species.


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: tweekingTwak]
    #21384207 - 03/09/15 07:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Ugh, I'm designing a project right now to eliminate RCD and HBB from a parcel of dredge dump.  Benthic soil is a pain in the ass to remove RCG from, but nothing a couple of applications of glyphosate and some alder stock can't fix.  We're trying to get the salmonberry to a point where it's competitive with HBB, but it's super difficult.  The manpower it would take to do without the use of herbicides is unfeasible, so compromise it is.


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #21386749 - 03/10/15 12:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I know HBB is Himalayan blackberry. What is RCD? Sorry this is off topic.

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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: Sk8nshram]
    #21387079 - 03/10/15 01:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

My guess is he's confusing European beachgrass(ammophilla arenaria) with reed canary grass(phalaris arundinacea) and calling it reed canary dune grass.

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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21396514 - 03/12/15 08:13 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

At no point in there did I mention dune grass, that you made up on your own.  It's reed canary grass, not a whole lot of dune grass in the valley.

Ahh, see it now.  RCD was a typo, supposed to be RCG.


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #21396821 - 03/12/15 09:47 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

You are in the Willamette valley and are trying to grow salmonberry? It only grows naturally in the coast range and lower elevations of the western cascades. The same is true of the more common huckleberry species. What are you doing to make it grow healthy in the valley? I live in Philomath/Corvallis and it won't grow here unless babied. The native trailing blackberry was the most common and the native blackcap raspberry in the valley with thimbleberry and salmonberry on the fringes.

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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21397169 - 03/12/15 11:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: beta_knight]
    #21397763 - 03/12/15 01:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

So, let me pose a (probably dumb) question....Since ovoids have been successfully introduced to the wood chip beds of the Northwest from wild ones in the midwest and northeast....why couldn't cyans be introduced to the same habitat from the northwest to the northeast?:shrug::strokebeard:


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21397801 - 03/12/15 01:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The growth habitat for Ovoids might be broader than cyanescens, although I have seen pictures of latter growing in New York state. I assume as long as it doesn't get too cold during winter and the area has very wet Autumns they will grow.


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: beta_knight]
    #21397808 - 03/12/15 01:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Nice!


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Re: The 2015 PNW Spring Actives Thread [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #21397992 - 03/12/15 02:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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The growth habitat for Ovoids might be broader than cyanescens, although I have seen pictures of latter growing in New York state. I assume as long as it doesn't get too cold during winter and the area has very wet Autumns they will grow.



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