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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: koods]
    #21381915 - 03/09/15 09:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Are we really pretending that because a lot of men are raped in prison, we should consider the risk of sexual assault for women in society at large to be less than the risk that men face? Gimme a break. Are there seriously any men here who, when walking alone at night, are legitimately concerned about being raped? Are there any women who aren't?

Prison rapes are just as bad as rapes that occur on the outside, but to claim the society inside a prison has any resemblance to society at large is an insult to ones intelligence.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: MoxyOx]
    #21381917 - 03/09/15 09:36 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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No. Just no. That graph is skewed to the max. Women fatalities in the States is not the same as men dying in another country in war.

Here's a better chart for your inclined ass:
https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0313.pdf

Men tend to be the victims of homicide a LOT more than women. Go figure.

This whole thread is full of tards. I'm taking a break from the shroomery.

And I don't care if I triple posted, this thread is full of diluted thinkers who can't see past what culture spoon feeds them.



Most of those men are killed by other men.

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: MoxyOx]
    #21381946 - 03/09/15 09:45 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Some feminism is still needed, but it's not the men that have to listen to it anymore, it's women.

Salary problem:

Upon being hired where there is a base salary. It's the same for everyone.

The problem lies within the women psyche. They ask for raises later rather than sooner and when they get to the point of negotiating their new salary, women are less aggressive than men and generally ask for less. No company will give more than what has been negotiated by both parties. They sure won't tell the women "because your a woman, you negociated less, so here's more money cause you could have got more if you asked for more"... Thus the inequality. Leaving for a year to have a kid also affects a women experience in a company, which delays raises even more.

Lack of representation in business and politics:

Well, let's face it. Business and politics are profession that attract men more than women. Just like nursing attracts more women. Science is also a sausage fest and the gov is trying to get more women on university benches for science field. It is what it is.

Education:

Women have overtaken men. Men drop out more frequently, women graduate more frequently. Then again, the teaching system with have favors women because their brain is wired differently than men and it just happens that the get more stimulated by the our current system than men do. Again, it is what it is.

Pro sports:

Men a stronger, period. Different leagues are needed.

Court system:

When it comes to divorce, women are favored. When it comes to rape, men are favored. But only for lack of substantial evidence. My word vs yours doesn't get you far in the justice system, sorry.

Lack of equality in oppressive countries:

They are retarded and are hellbent on not progressing. It's a shame...


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: morrowasted]
    #21381960 - 03/09/15 09:49 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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MoxyOx said:
No. Just no. That graph is skewed to the max. Women fatalities in the States is not the same as men dying in another country in war.

Here's a better chart for your inclined ass:
https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0313.pdf

Men tend to be the victims of homicide a LOT more than women. Go figure.

This whole thread is full of tards. I'm taking a break from the shroomery.

And I don't care if I triple posted, this thread is full of diluted thinkers who can't see past what culture spoon feeds them.



Most of those men are killed by other men.




And I think it's safe to say that almost all rapes are committed by men.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: koods]
    #21381985 - 03/09/15 09:57 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yes

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21382007 - 03/09/15 10:03 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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People make the same assumption that I often hear about race when it comes to feminism.  Some of you seem to think that feminists want to take women and fit them into the mold of men.  That is not feminism, that is transgenderism ok not really but it is something else other than feminism.  Feminism is part of the greater civil rights movement and it seeks to change things for everyone's benefit.  The only people who should oppose feminism are people who benefit or seek to benefit from the exploitation of women. 

If you feel that women have no issues specific to their gender, then great, you don't have to go out and fight for feminism.  You can still believe in the essential worth of a human regardless of race, gender, or social/political affiliation, and recognize the ways bigotry has oppressed us all in the past.  That would be a type of modern feminism in my mind.  When it comes down to it, for all their talk of equality when they want to look good or justify themselves to themselves, these people trashing feminism actually think they are in the group that is just better than everyone else, and that is why they have it better.  How else could they survive?




"seeks to change things for everyone's benefit"

Bullshit, modern feminism is about females having special rights at the expense of men.




Says who?  To me it is a vague concept that only really requires being somehow connected to female empowerment and "modern".  You are trying to pigeonhole them as manhaters when not all feminists are like that.  Modern feminism has a wide scope and much of it is conflicting.  Taking on feminism as a whole because you think it is set up to oppress men really just shows how little you know about it, and probably has to do with either how you've been brainwashed politically or it is a scapegoat for your own personal failings with women.




"you think it is set up to oppress men really just shows how little you know about it"

:facepalm:  You just showed how little YOU know about modern feminism.

"you've been brainwashed politically"

:facepalm:  This coming from one of the highest officers of the PC police is quite comical.

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: koods]
    #21382102 - 03/09/15 10:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Not paid equally.

Not represented equally in government or on the boards of major firms.

Experience sexual violence.




Men get raped more than women.



You're gonna need to source that one, sport.



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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21382532 - 03/09/15 12:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

There are fundamental differences in males and females. While things that can be equal should be sometimes its divided by nature.  Men tend to exceed in sports and have major control of all professional sports. Females have major control of the education system and most teachers are female now. I think the wage gap is more due to the job choice differences that males and females usually choose.

Also feminism preaches equality, but fails to notice where there is hypocrisy. They fail to acknowledge the fact that females have half the incarceration rate of males for the same crime, and the fact that men have no reproductive rights whatsoever. Think about it, if you get a girl pregnant you have to either abort the baby or keep it only on her decision. She doesn't legally even have to tell you she is pregnant. She can have the baby without telling you and then take you to court for child support and win.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: qman] * 1
    #21382533 - 03/09/15 12:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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"you think it is set up to oppress men really just shows how little you know about it"

:facepalm:  You just showed how little YOU know about modern feminism.

"you've been brainwashed politically"

:facepalm:  This coming from one of the highest officers of the PC police is quite comical.




I just get fed up with people reading some blogs and then deciding they have a whole minority group figured out.  Everyone is so quick to demonize "modern" feminism, like it's core intention has soured, but to me it seems like people will take these ultimately unimportant instances, some angsty feminist saying something outrageous, blow it out of proportion and use that as ammunition against the larger feminist movement (or liberals, women, socialists, w/e).

So if you want to go on a tirade against "modern feminism" and have it make any sense please at least define what exactly "modern feminism" is to you first, because that could mean many things.  I know that is asking alot, like say defining what a "modern African-American", or a "modern white male" even.  You can generalize based on anecdotal evidence, but that is not going to lead anywhere.  You can make shit up that is simply untrue, but that is the lowest form of propaganda.

Sure men and women are different, but men and men are different too.  That is ok, and we are all deserving of the same basic rights.

Oh btw:


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: koods]
    #21382853 - 03/09/15 02:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Are we really pretending that because a lot of men are raped in prison, we should consider the risk of sexual assault for women in society at large to be less than the risk that men face? Gimme a break. Are there seriously any men here who, when walking alone at night, are legitimately concerned about being raped? Are there any women who aren't?

Prison rapes are just as bad as rapes that occur on the outside, but to claim the society inside a prison has any resemblance to society at large is an insult to ones intelligence.




Women do have it worse in the case of rape. I myself will not argue that, I know others will but that is merely one bad thing they have to deal with. Men are the prime suspects of violence though, regardless if it's male on male. We still have to suffer at the hands of attackers and murderers more than women.

If your argument posits that just because men are the ones committing the crime and that it is our OWN fault therein, that is the exact victim mentality that so many feminists shun. I do not incite violence but if it is given to me I have no choice but to fight it now do I? When I walk alone at night I'm not worried about being raped, I'm worried about being jumped, robbed, and killed. Sorry, but death and being beaten is much worse than rape.

That fear is why I don't associate with trashy people or overtly aggressive idiots. Women would be wise to follow the same advice and not be with men who have no self control. Please, pick away at anything I say.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: MoxyOx]
    #21382928 - 03/09/15 02:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I really don't follow.  Men are more prone to being violent, which makes them more prone to being the victims of violence, therefore women should feel lucky that men give them special treatment in that they are less likely to be the victims of violence overall?  Women who resent the violent aspects of masculinity should not be outspoken about this because that would make them more masculine and therefore hypocrites?  If they want to be equal they should just suck it up and accept things because that is what real men do?

Honestly that is a mindfuck.  I know that men want to be men, but if you're really a man you can define your own masculinity and decide that violence is overrated.  I mean when it comes down to it that macho attitude stems from weakness, which is feminine, which means the more aggressive and violent you are the more of a woman you are on the inside :grin:

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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: MoxyOx]
    #21382931 - 03/09/15 02:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Are we really pretending that because a lot of men are raped in prison, we should consider the risk of sexual assault for women in society at large to be less than the risk that men face? Gimme a break. Are there seriously any men here who, when walking alone at night, are legitimately concerned about being raped? Are there any women who aren't?

Prison rapes are just as bad as rapes that occur on the outside, but to claim the society inside a prison has any resemblance to society at large is an insult to ones intelligence.




Women do have it worse in the case of rape. I myself will not argue that, I know others will but that is merely one bad thing they have to deal with. Men are the prime suspects of violence though, regardless if it's male on male. We still have to suffer at the hands of attackers and murderers more than women.

If your argument posits that just because men are the ones committing the crime and that it is our OWN fault therein, that is the exact victim mentality that so many feminists shun. I do not incite violence but if it is given to me I have no choice but to fight it now do I? When I walk alone at night I'm not worried about being raped, I'm worried about being jumped, robbed, and killed. Sorry, but death and being beaten is much worse than rape.

That fear is why I don't associate with trashy people or overtly aggressive idiots. Women would be wise to follow the same advice and not be with men who have no self control. Please, pick away at anything I say.




Well, women need to be worried about such things as well. I'm too tired to look up yet more stats, but I suspect random crime like the walking home alone scenario occurs a similar rates for men and women, Men are victims of violent crime more often because men are more inclined to violence (a lot more included) so they end up in dangerously violent situations.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: koods] * 1
    #21383048 - 03/09/15 02:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Lol



Another one of these threads


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #21383110 - 03/09/15 03:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol



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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: koods]
    #21383129 - 03/09/15 03:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, women need to be worried about such things as well. I'm too tired to look up yet more stats, but I suspect random crime like the walking home alone scenario occurs a similar rates for men and women, Men are victims of violent crime more often because men are more inclined to violence (a lot more included) so they end up in dangerously violent situations.





Those in this thread who are supporting feminism have already resorted several times to this type of "victim blaming". The exact type of thing they claim to oppose. This "no wrong tactics, only wrong targets" attitude has infested feminism. It is a major reason for it's diminishing popularity and relevance.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: Heffy]
    #21383146 - 03/09/15 03:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Females are just trying to get an advantage over males.  That's all it is.


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: VivaLaMushie] * 1
    #21383213 - 03/09/15 03:30 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol



Another one of these threads




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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: mpd]
    #21383232 - 03/09/15 03:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Females are just trying to get an advantage over males.  That's all it is.



Everybody tries to get over on everybody else


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Re: Modern Feminism is a crock of shit. [Re: mpd]
    #21383234 - 03/09/15 03:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure many are, but at the same time many men and women have common goals like building a better future for everyone which is in line with many forms of modern feminism.  If you're just going to write them off as women who want to be more like men you're really missing the point.  We don't really need better athletes and aggressive soldiers to rule the world, we need thoughtful and compassionate people as well and these are things that feminism often encourages.  Sure it can be annoying having to be PC all the time, and freedom of speech is a good thing, but that doesn't totally negate the overall goals of feminism. 

Like any belief system it works best when people are willing to compromise and work together rather than be obstinate because the notion clashes with your conservative ideals.  Just because you see some people on the other side resorting to belligerence it doesn't excuse doing the same.

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