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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: qman]
    #21382006 - 03/09/15 10:03 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: qman] * 2
    #21382013 - 03/09/15 10:05 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Who would have thought. 

I am so sick of these fucking liberal's trying to fake being this open minded.  There comes a point where you just sound like a dumbass.


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21382031 - 03/09/15 10:15 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

>Majority rule is the go-to defense of bigots.

No, majority rule is the defense of democracy and liberty. Letting the elites decide everything is totalitarianism.


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21382036 - 03/09/15 10:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

He's saying the majority should not be permitted to do anythjng they wish just because they have more votes.


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21382040 - 03/09/15 10:21 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

A man with a wig decides to walk into a female shower.
Bigots say good he has a penis and should be in the male shower.
"open minded" people call the other people bigots and start screaming american sentiment up and down and that boo hoo the chick with a dicks feelings are hurt because they feel like a lady.
Once she gets the OP she can go into the ladies room but guess what she still has a penis GO IN THE MANS BATHROOM

notice how i kept saying she because i understand she feels like a she in a mans body.  But facts are facts while u still have the genitalia you must live with it


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: koods]
    #21382097 - 03/09/15 10:42 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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He's saying the majority should not be permitted to do anythjng they wish just because they have more votes.




And he's right, a majority can't make legislation that violates another persons civil rights or a law that's unconstitutional. 

That has nothing to do with a private business not letting a male customer use a females bathroom facility.

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21382098 - 03/09/15 10:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Idk you seem to think that the men will be any more comfortable with a transsexual than the women. I think forcing her to use the men's room is an insult to her and put her at a risk of physical harm. Not all men are as enlightened as you are dude


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: qman]
    #21382100 - 03/09/15 10:44 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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qman said:
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koods said:
He's saying the majority should not be permitted to do anythjng they wish just because they have more votes.




And he's right, a majority can't make legislation that violates another persons civil rights or a law that's unconstitutional. 

That has nothing to do with a private business not letting a male customer use a females bathroom facility.




Or not letting a black person use either bathroom?


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: koods]
    #21382112 - 03/09/15 10:48 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

qman said:
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koods said:
He's saying the majority should not be permitted to do anythjng they wish just because they have more votes.




And he's right, a majority can't make legislation that violates another persons civil rights or a law that's unconstitutional. 

That has nothing to do with a private business not letting a male customer use a females bathroom facility.




Or not letting a black person use either bathroom?




Separate but equal.

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: koods] * 2
    #21382116 - 03/09/15 10:50 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It seems kind of absurd to make the comparison between racial equality and the idea of a man in women's clothing using the women's changing room somehow being acceptable, regardless of whatever the person is going through mentally.

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21382169 - 03/09/15 11:13 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
A man with a wig decides to walk into a female shower.
Bigots say good he has a penis and should be in the male shower.
"open minded" people call the other people bigots and start screaming american sentiment up and down and that boo hoo the chick with a dicks feelings are hurt because they feel like a lady.
Once she gets the OP she can go into the ladies room but guess what she still has a penis GO IN THE MANS BATHROOM

notice how i kept saying she because i understand she feels like a she in a mans body.  But facts are facts while u still have the genitalia you must live with it





So "she", as you so respectfully put it, should GO IN THE MAN'S BATHROOM. That's very poorly veiled disrespect. It's like being respectful by only calling black people niggers when they're not around to hear it.

Everybody has genitalia and we should all get over it. There's no reason to kick somebody out of a gym because they feel the need to do things that happen to make you feel uncomfortable. When I'm taking a piss in a public bathroom and some weird dude stares at my dick, I don't have a hissy fit and talk to the manager. I awkwardly try to finish pissing and then move on. And in that case I'm dealing with pretty clear cut perversion (I ignorantly assume). But when it goes down that way, I can deal with my problems, he can deal with his, and we can all be as comfortable as possible while doing what we need to do. Instead of uselessly fucking up somebody else's day, I take personal responsibility for my own discomforts, so long as I'm not being harmed, and I don't burden other people with my own stuck-up bullshit. These people at the gym are ganging up on this guy and organizing against him not because he's causing any harm or depriving anybody of their freedom, but simply because he's weird and they don't like or respect that. That's clear cut bigotry.


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He's saying the majority should not be permitted to do anythjng they wish just because they have more votes.




Ya, this. I wasn't arguing for a totalitarian rule by a hegemony. I agree that's bad. Our "democracy" has some safeguards built into it so that minorities don't always get squashed by the majority. That's part of why we have the supreme court. The idea is that a bunch of well educated, well seasoned judges ought to be able to use their power to protect unpopular beliefs when they feel it's unfair to do otherwise. It's not a perfect idea but it's better than complete "rule by the rabble".

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21382187 - 03/09/15 11:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

You know, you can't expect people to change their whole world just for you. Maybe it would be right for them to do so, but it's clearly their choice and lots of people just won't change.

That being said, i think our society probably has a lot of chilling out to do and just as a devil's advocate position maybe letting a transgender go into the bathroom of their choice could be part of that. You know we really shouldn't have to be worried about a man doing that just to be a pervert...men are about as perverted as they could ever get already. Getting that out in the open could only reduce perversion if you ask me.

It might seem weird but it could also be one of those things that creates more trust in society. Maybe the problem here is having different bathrooms for different sexes. I mean, in a tribal society everything was much more out in the open and i'm all for moving back (forward?) towards an archaic model like that.


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21382198 - 03/09/15 11:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

If these transgender people are so serious about being a woman maybe they should get their dick cut off. Otherwise they are just a gay dude who likes to play dress up.


I bet most of your opinions would change if you had a teenage daughter having to change in the same room as some dude.

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: grower182]
    #21382205 - 03/09/15 11:24 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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they are just a gay dude who likes to play dress up.





if a transgender is gay for women, does that make 'him' a lesbian?

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 1
    #21382213 - 03/09/15 11:26 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
A man with a wig decides to walk into a female shower.
Bigots say good he has a penis and should be in the male shower.
"open minded" people call the other people bigots and start screaming american sentiment up and down and that boo hoo the chick with a dicks feelings are hurt because they feel like a lady.
Once she gets the OP she can go into the ladies room but guess what she still has a penis GO IN THE MANS BATHROOM

notice how i kept saying she because i understand she feels like a she in a mans body.  But facts are facts while u still have the genitalia you must live with it





So "she", as you so respectfully put it, should GO IN THE MAN'S BATHROOM. That's very poorly veiled disrespect. It's like being respectful by only calling black people niggers when they're not around to hear it.

Everybody has genitalia and we should all get over it. There's no reason to kick somebody out of a gym because they feel the need to do things that happen to make you feel uncomfortable. When I'm taking a piss in a public bathroom and some weird dude stares at my dick, I don't have a hissy fit and talk to the manager. I awkwardly try to finish pissing and then move on. And in that case I'm dealing with pretty clear cut perversion (I ignorantly assume). But when it goes down that way, I can deal with my problems, he can deal with his, and we can all be as comfortable as possible while doing what we need to do. Instead of uselessly fucking up somebody else's day, I take personal responsibility for my own discomforts, so long as I'm not being harmed, and I don't burden other people with my own stuck-up bullshit. These people at the gym are ganging up on this guy and organizing against him not because he's causing any harm or depriving anybody of their freedom, but simply because he's weird and they don't like or respect that. That's clear cut bigotry.


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koods said:
He's saying the majority should not be permitted to do anythjng they wish just because they have more votes.




Ya, this. I wasn't arguing for a totalitarian rule by a hegemony. I agree that's bad. Our "democracy" has some safeguards built into it so that minorities don't always get squashed by the majority. That's part of why we have the supreme court. The idea is that a bunch of well educated, well seasoned judges ought to be able to use their power to protect unpopular beliefs when they feel it's unfair to do otherwise. It's not a perfect idea but it's better than complete "rule by the rabble".




Would your mother, sister, GF, or wife be comfortable being naked, taking a shit, or showering in front of men in a ladies room?

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: The Doobie Dude] * 1
    #21382237 - 03/09/15 11:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Ya, it's a good thing that women and black people still can't vote. And I'd shit my pants if I saw a negro drink out of the white people's water fountain. It's a good thing our leaders didn't have the balls to make laws on the basis of morality and justice instead of making laws simply to pander to the oh-so-considerate and well informed general populace. I mean, hell, if it went down the way those Negroes and women wanted it to, Then America would just be a burning pile of rubble today (ignore Detroit for the purposes of the sarcasm).

The laws that changed that stuff were against the popular opinions of the time. Majority rule is the go-to defense of bigots. People who can actually think with out resorting to small minded cowardice worry more about being fair to the guy who can't rally enough support to form a lynch mob. The real question here is why do so many people want to side with the group of whiny, over-privileged, snot-nosed bitches with an inflated sense of entitlement when they could side with the guy who probably only wants to shit in peace and comfort. Just let the poor guy shit in peace. Damn.




Yeah, I was about to say. DoobieDude, if "majority rules in America" is your justification, it's fucking stupid.

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: grower182]
    #21382283 - 03/09/15 11:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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If these transgender people are so serious about being a woman maybe they should get their dick cut off. Otherwise they are just a gay dude who likes to play dress up.


I bet most of your opinions would change if you had a teenage daughter having to change in the same room as some dude.




I don't think we should make civil rights dependent upon what makes people uncomfortable or if they might be offended. There is no right to be shielded from being made uncomfortable or being offended.


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: koods]
    #21382349 - 03/09/15 11:58 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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If these transgender people are so serious about being a woman maybe they should get their dick cut off. Otherwise they are just a gay dude who likes to play dress up.


I bet most of your opinions would change if you had a teenage daughter having to change in the same room as some dude.




I don't think we should make civil rights dependent upon what makes people uncomfortable or if they might be offended. There is no right to be shielded from being made uncomfortable or being offended.




We have social norms, that's the reality of the world we live in, trying to rationalize that fact makes your argument look silly.

Should a 25 year old man be able to go to a middle school and walk around naked?  "There is no right to be shielded from being made uncomfortable or being offended"

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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: koods]
    #21382393 - 03/09/15 12:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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He's saying the majority should not be permitted to do anythjng they wish just because they have more votes.




Oh just because they have more votes? If the majority's wishes are not respected then we live in a dictatorship with fake democracy. If you say the minority should prevail, then if 10% or 1% has a problem, we have to cave in to them? Then what if 1 in 1000 wants something the rest don't, we have to change everything around to make them happy? You need to think this through a little better, you and the rest of the down with democracy crowd.

If the majority don't want biologically correct men in the lady's locker room then those wishes should be respected even if a vocal minority says otherwise. I happen to be in the minority who thinks its ok but I don't expect to override the wishes of the rest of the public.

Is usa a dictatorship or democracy? Actually, its a republican form of govt but we espouse democracy and try to "export" it to the world. Do we even practice it ourselves anymore? I'm not surprised oz-tralia is dictatorial but we are supposed to be democratic.


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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21382576 - 03/09/15 12:54 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

as has already been pointed out, if you live in america, the founding fathers were very conscious of the problems with majority rule.  In fact, I can't really think of any country anywhere that does majority rule.

This thread pretty much makes me sick.  Ignoring the obvious parallels to racism.  there are known biological factors in a person being transgender.  In some other cultures its totally normal.  Transgender people aren't trying to trick you.  They 're not insane perverts.  They're pretty much normal people, despite the hostility from idiots.  U need to chill, maybe try moving outside of rural kansas or wherever hte fuck you guys seem to live, and meeting one or two.


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