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jodidonino

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Message to ALL users 3
#21379544 - 03/08/15 06:08 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been reading around the forum & noticed a few things. So I decided to wrap it up in another silly post, but I intend to make a point in it.
First thing, why there seems to be an ego thing between some users? Some users consciously or unconsciously dub themselves as wise deities because they've been hanging on the forum a lot longer. More exposure to the forum helps refute & hone ideas/theories in a way. But it doesn't make sense to derive superiority from that & get stuck in a belief system. And it makes no sense that the latter limits the flow of new information & possibilities.
Trolls. They're everywhere. We already have enough reasons to hate them & their presence here isn't much of a contribution. I mean, our subject matter already IS illegal. So most of us don't & can't have access to good quality information about psychs or other drugs. Thanks to the internet that a group of people that can educate each other through this forum, has emerged. I'll let you figure out how being a troll here is a huge disaster & is distorting information & increasing ambiguity by many folds.
I look around & see a lot of silly posts like this one, bad trips & unnecessary fear. And that's because of the reasons above & also because we're not passing down good information.
I say, take some time & pass down reliable information to increasingly new users. Because that's what it means: people all over the world are joining the movement, and they may be dumb & may not be wise deities. So don't get caught up in apathy or superiority & spread the good vibes
Edited by jodidonino (03/08/15 06:13 PM)
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SomeGuyX
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Re: Message to ALL users [Re: jodidonino]
#21379567 - 03/08/15 06:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd also like to add, when you reply to a post it should be considered a post, not a comment. I feel like people like to use this place as a hangout, but it is like you said, a source for valuable information that can't really be found anywhere else. The Shroomery is an awesome place with amazing people and I see where you're coming from, but the fact of the matter is we are sharing very sensitive information over the internet to people we don't know. But at the same time, getting to know the people here has also been quite the experience.
Some people come here because they need help with their lives, their ideas and to get information on how to integrate trips. This includes a wide array of posts that can be made, but we should be thoughtful and considerate of the information we share and the advice we give. I try to make my posts thoughtful, productive and to include as much information as I can. Because information is key to everything, we just need to make sure it's the right information is all.
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rxb
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Re: Message to ALL users [Re: SomeGuyX] 3
#21379729 - 03/08/15 06:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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i guess i understand why people have ego about it.
i dont understand why people get upset when people are trying knew things, and SAY they are trying new things
its kind of like peer review.
i could find that putting the jar under my knee for 20 mins makes it contam proof without pc... or anything else.
and it may work for me and i may post that (it doesnt work for me this is an example).
and in that post atleast one person would get extremely upset ...
the point of posting is to discover whats working so new understandings can be reached, its not because anyone wants to throw away the tried and true method.
if doing something dumb works for you i'd really like to hear about it. i may never even try it, but its good to have these things out there even flukes can lead to breakthroughs
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Re: Message to ALL users [Re: rxb] 2
#21379884 - 03/08/15 07:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmmmm... don't see what you're really complaining about, everything you pointed out is very rare. From what I see on the shroomery a majority of users make a good effort in contribution. I mean look at other forums such as drug-forums a lot users over there will respond with, "Use Google!" Or "use the search bar idiot!" It's really rare to see that happen here, I'm very satisfied with all the users here. Whenever I click on a thread I see a lot of intelligent discussions going on.
With the trolls, just ignore them they usually end up getting banned anyways, also nobody really ever feeds the trolls so they just seem to fuck off know their own.
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Re: Message to ALL users [Re: rxb]
#21379918 - 03/08/15 07:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Definitely see the ego thing in quite a few or maybe it just comes across that way sometimes since things written on the Internet can be especially easy to misinterpret.
Have to say though being a new user on here and still fairly new to psychedelics in general, I've experienced nothing but great help in my queries and have learnt a lot by simply reading what everyone on shroomery has to offer.
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Re: Message to ALL users [Re: jodidonino]
#21380590 - 03/08/15 09:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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To rebutable your comments...
First, ego's develop mainly from lots of sucessful experience mixed with some strong personal perferences.
For example, some people are old skool and use just a pipe and a lighter for DMT. While others are more experimental and use a domeless nail and a microtorch for their DMT. Both people can get to the grand breakthru with both methods. Is one method better? Maybe, maybe not. If it works for them, they stick with it. Personal perference, stubborness, or maybe just hard-to-break habit. or maybe just cause it works best for us 
It may come off as know-it-all users, cause we have seen/done the wrong way of doing it, and dont avocate that method.
Secondly, trolls. They are everywhere, yes. Mods are pretty good at dealing with their distracting comments. Its just something u have to deal with on the boards.
Lastly, "silly posts" about fear/bad trips. That could be "our" fault for not giving good info. But its also the noobies fault for not doing proper research. People should use the search bar before posting topics. Many times, its been discussed before in very similar circumstances. Shroomery has a rich history spanning at least a decade of still-relevant tripping/experience info (maybe not for mushroom cultivation and all the LSD-Like RCs out here tainting the LSD supply).
If more research was done, less people would have bad trips, i truly believe that. And the shroomery shouldnt be the end-all to information. Sites like Erowid and bluelight and DMT-Nexus all have good info as well. But shroomery does have a vast database of knowledge accessable to anyone, we just need to teach the new generation of trippers to use it properly.
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why does everything around here need to be about "ego"
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Bill_Oreilly said: why does everything around here need to be about "ego" 
probably the whole 'ego death' thing.
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JohnnyTripsAlot
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It does seem many users aren't open to the possibility that they could learn from others. Maybe certain forums need more strict moderation, however i dont think trolls and knowitalls are avoidable. Perhaps we need to do more to warn/inform newbs of possible misinformation
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Thetriangle
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Re: Message to ALL users [Re: jodidonino]
#21381260 - 03/09/15 01:55 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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The misinformation being spread is really a problem around these parts in my opinion. Part of it has to do with certain individuals overly relying on these forums to find factual information, and the other part is a lot of people giving incorrect information due to some myth or other they heard that was never properly looked into.
Maybe we should stick to helping with the more subjective issues more often and if factual information is needed we should make sure to link our sources or something.
Maybe there should be some kind of thread that is just for compiling links to accurate information.
Just some thoughts
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Message to new trippers. Don't ask for opinions and or advice from experienced trippers and whine/complain when it is not the delusion of grandure answer you wanted to hear.
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Thetriangle said: The misinformation being spread is really a problem around these parts in my opinion. Part of it has to do with certain individuals overly relying on these forums to find factual information, and the other part is a lot of people giving incorrect information due to some myth or other they heard that was never properly looked into.
Maybe we should stick to helping with the more subjective issues more often and if factual information is needed we should make sure to link our sources or something.
Maybe there should be some kind of thread that is just for compiling links to accurate information.
Just some thoughts 
There already is. Don't you guys even bother to read the stickies? They're full of links to knowledgeful information.
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jodidonino

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Re: Message to ALL users [Re: aler]
#21381432 - 03/09/15 04:56 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I'm sorry that this post came across as whining & I apologize. I forgot to give credit to most users here who are doing a really great job for assisting inexperienced users. And I thank you for that.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't intend to incite a debate here or alienate anyone. New users have their part of the job to do too.
I could have dubbed myself as a new user & shut up about it. But I believe anyone has the sovereignty to bring forward ideas to enhance this movement & make it less of a constraint.
I think that if this post inspired anyone to think more carefully & deeply before giving assistance, it was totally worth it.
Cheers
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mustangbob3
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JohnnyTripsAlot said: It does seem many users aren't open to the possibility that they could learn from others. Maybe certain forums need more strict moderation, however i dont think trolls and knowitalls are avoidable. Perhaps we need to do more to warn/inform newbs of possible misinformation
this is why there is a noob forum created by spitballjedi for exact these reasons! so if noobs only want to get advice from the mods/kbs they can post there instead of getting mixed opinions! and if they post elsewhere they should expect mixed opinions and not complain about it!
this allows user to draw exclusively from trusted and experienced cultivators that have demonstrated their own ability and commitment.
also i cringe when people start new threads and then get told to Quote:
use the search function
i agree sometimes this has its place and should be first port of call but i cant get away from the fact that saying this to somebody tacitly implys that that person or no person(s) after previous others could possibly contribute to new ideas or be privy to new or differing information than has already been already discussed or laid down.
this is wrong and is delusional of anyone too think they are above or that no one can improve or better their opinions/minds thoughts and would be a serious and grave mistake to fall into especially if all you base this on is time on a website and /or amount of posts.
although to balance this, its from participation and posts that reliability is deduced as thats the best we can hope for when using media like the internet, after all most is on trust, then its a system thats not going to really change no matter how much it may be needed or wanted. its the best with what we have got  it has its shortfalls but these needed to be accepted as part and parcel of the system.
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HarryL
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This forum is a community As with any community, there will be difference of opinion One mans dozen is another mans 12
One issue we know about is the average age of the 'experienced' users on here isn't very old. So, sometimes ego and issues are more lack of maturity than really trying to be a a-hole.
My advice... People who want to share, should do so freely but don't get your panties in a bunch cause someone has a different opinion. Respect others as you want to be respected.
There is also the ability to ignore people who are being jerks... Use it.
And don't feed the trolls. Someone trolling can be ignored or reported to the mods.
Just my 2 cents
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Re: Message to ALL users [Re: HarryL]
#21382461 - 03/09/15 12:24 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, when I was a mod for all of a month or so most of the notifications were about suspected trolling. Trolls are hard to deal with (they're trolls ya know) and things can spiral out of control when an evil one gets its hooks in, so use that little button and let the unpaid help deal with it:
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