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Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil.
    #21366487 - 03/05/15 02:46 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I want to ask fellow Shroomerites what their views on God and Evil are. In my subjective experiences I have found what I believe to be evidence that there is light, positive, energy beings who are blessed and who can't be permeated easily by dark energy forces and or beings. Then there are people who are born weak and vulnerable to these dark forces (true evil) and can easily be manipulated by it/them.


If you guys are interested enough I can share my experiences that make me believe  in an after life, and believe in God, Good (light,white) and Evil (Darkness,black) then I will be glad to put the time and effort into sharing my stories.


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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: DubSpore]
    #21366532 - 03/05/15 02:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Good and evil are products of the human mind.  Other animals eat other animals for survival; there's no room for good and evil there.

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Jufin]
    #21366583 - 03/05/15 03:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with this ^^^ but I would take it further and say that that is because the human experience is polarised. As it stands, humans have a dualistic nature which is why things such as good and evil, positive and negative are perceived to exist, but that is not the real way of things. Duality exists to be transcended, to be unified.


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Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Jufin]
    #21366668 - 03/05/15 03:24 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I have evidence that this is not true. You are comparing animals to humans. A animal will eat other people for survival but would a human? I'm sure many people would answer yes to this however these people are stuck on a primal urge for survival.

Without a good and evil we would all be animals. However I believe in evil.

I know three different people who have spent the night in the same house at different occasions that have experienced the same "hallucinations." None of them were sleeping or experiencing sleep-paralysis.

Each one off them reported having a sense of an over powering weight come across there body. They each reported seeing a dark shadow figure stare at them from the corner of the room whispering evil, dark things into their heads. One person reported it saying, "I will never leave". And so on.

Dark, dark, dark energy comes from that room and I feel people who are vulnerable to manipulation and just vulnerable in general are more easily affected by this dark energy. As if it feeds on the darkness within their souls. I spent a night in this room and felt a very dark energy presence but nothing that could interfere with the light I believe to be in me.

I could just be being mystical but I have other stories of Godly interventions and physical evidence of an afterlife that give me hope that we aren't just intelligent self aware beings but that we contain something greater than just a brain.

I believe we all have souls.

Furthering, this physical evidence of an after life to me is what happen to me sitting down at the dinner table with my mom.
We were having an ordinary dinner and my mom just stand up at the table and says she feels her dad (died a month prior) in the room with her. She remarked that she smelled his 'must' and the scent of the cigarettes he smoked. (no one in my house smoked) She felt a cold breeze brush against her and felt the hairs on her body stand up. She was so freaked out she started yelling at me to take a picture. She feels a force in, "this general area," and a took the picture.

The picture showed up with a large, glowing, wispy orb like cloud right next to her.

Yes, sadly, I use this experience along with others as enough proof to me to believe in an after life and believe there is A LOT more too what we think of the world and humanity and the soul.

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: DubSpore] * 1
    #21366718 - 03/05/15 03:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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DubSpore said:
I want to ask fellow Shroomerites what their views on God and Evil are. In my subjective experiences I have found what I believe to be evidence that there is light, positive, energy beings who are blessed and who can't be permeated easily by dark energy forces and or beings. Then there are people who are born weak and vulnerable to these dark forces (true evil) and can easily be manipulated by it/them.


If you guys are interested enough I can share my experiences that make me believe  in an after life, and believe in God, Good (light,white) and Evil (Darkness,black) then I will be glad to put the time and effort into sharing my stories.





What you have said here is true, however I do not believe you provide evidence for it because the way I see existence is that it contains some sort of experience generator (the mind) and whatever the individual wishes to experience (often unconsciously) the mind will then reflect.

Because of this, atheists and skeptics cannot be convinced easily because they will unconsciously generate a standard of proof that cannot be met. And I am not saying believers are any different in this regard, however belief is the first step toward unlocking the awareness of your role as a co-creator of reality. In other words, as you become more and more aware that you are creating your reality unconsciously, you can begin to co-create consciously, and this is where your power lies.

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: DubSpore]
    #21366722 - 03/05/15 03:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I have evidence that this is not true. You are comparing animals to humans. A animal will eat other people for survival but would a human? I'm sure many people would answer yes to this however these people are stuck on a primal urge for survival.

Without a good and evil we would all be animals. However I believe in evil.




Exactly.  It's a trait of humanity, therefore it only exists in our brains, not in the brains of other life on earth.  Therefore it exists to us but to nothing else.

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Jufin]
    #21367110 - 03/05/15 04:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I have evidence that this is not true. You are comparing animals to humans. A animal will eat other people for survival but would a human? I'm sure many people would answer yes to this however these people are stuck on a primal urge for survival.

Without a good and evil we would all be animals. However I believe in evil.




Exactly.  It's a trait of humanity, therefore it only exists in our brains, not in the brains of other life on earth.  Therefore it exists to us but to nothing else.




Thank you for your first post, and then your second one here. Took the words right out of my mouth involving human mental constructs.


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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #21368321 - 03/05/15 09:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i think good and evil is just based on the ability to understand or comprehend things like suffering, & the same in others, and how the being acts with that taken into consideration. i think it's simply just good beings are ones capable that don't do anything that'll unnecessarily cause the suffering of others, & evil ones do cause suffering beyond necessity. i don't think light and dark or white and black are very great comparisons though, you have to have some darkness to take in things at all, receive and such, white light just means rejection of everything. but you need some light to give anything at all also, but you can give good or bad things. so i think every being has a mix and the light vs dark things is nonsense, and light can be evil and darkness can be good along with the usual way of seeing them.

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Pope]
    #21368435 - 03/05/15 09:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, for me good and evil are the same concept. For every concept there are two opposite as for the concept of light their is White and Black. Black is the absence of light, and white is the absence of Dark. The concepts are comprehend by forming a sort of infinite scale, but the scale isn't real it's only an illusion so your brain can understand his surroundings. But the way you scale things is relative to your past, and your perception of current situation. Imagine an half-glass of water. Would you say it's half empty or half full. Now if I tell you can see everything as positive and negative depending on how you perceive it you will realize that Good and Evil are just an illusion. All it is really  is a scale of intentions, behavior and suffering.


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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: DubSpore]
    #21369405 - 03/06/15 06:14 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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DubSpore said:
I want to ask fellow Shroomerites what their views on God and Evil are. In my subjective experiences I have found what I believe to be evidence that there is light, positive, energy beings who are blessed and who can't be permeated easily by dark energy forces and or beings. Then there are people who are born weak and vulnerable to these dark forces (true evil) and can easily be manipulated by it/them.




Just because you have a limited understanding of Dark Forces it doesn't mean that they are "truly evil" with the purpose of manipulating the weak.

If anything was "truly evil" in this world it would be the Demiurge who created this existence out of ego, upsetting the natural state of the universe. Since we are creations made in his own image this would explain why Evil exists in our world. Ego manifests itself in you as fear when you come across something that you don't fully understand or are about to experience something that's uncomfortable. People associate fear with Evil.

If anything this would explain why we are a slave race created to serve the Demiurge. Without ego our spirit would be plunged into darkness free from the cosmic shackles the demiurge has placed on us.

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: DubSpore]
    #21369421 - 03/06/15 06:22 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It is a most dangerous patriarchal dualistic belief which divides darkness from light and then assumes the latter is superior and good and the former inferior and evil and FROM this belief real evil comes. Racism, classism, misogyny, homophobia, hatred and fear of other species, fear of sexuality--all these fears stem from this dualistic myth

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: zzripz]
    #21369461 - 03/06/15 06:35 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Dat Demiurge.


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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: DubSpore]
    #21370143 - 03/06/15 10:28 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Picture morality as a piece of paper, on one side there is "positivity" and on the other, "negativity".  Now apply infinity.  (tape ends of paper together forming a cylinder)  Too much negativity is positive, too much positivity is negative.  I think the middle path described by siddartha is the taped edge, sitting in balance between the two forces, paradoxically apart from them, and yet encompassing the whole. 

As far as an afterlife, I like to think that this is the afterlife of some life.  It seems shortsighted to think that your human existence is the beginning of a linear path leading to "heaven" or "hell".  At that point life would be a board game.

As far as God is concerned, well... What is the greatest thing you can imagine?  You don't claim to have an infinite imagination do you, so it exceeds that and all comprehension.

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morality was etablished through evolution as a means to continue the survival of the human species.  You don't kill other humans because then there are less humans.  Now this pure genetic base was tainted over the years by many political organizations advertising as religion.  So all that is muddled beyond repair. 
I read a study conducted with the use of "the God helmet", it uses electromagnets to stimulate a neurostructure in the brain that made it's wearer feel "a benevolent and powerful presence in the room".  Now the fact that you can reproduce results in a laboratory setting does not dismiss the validity of occurence of that phenomena in the natural world.  Elecromagnetic currents exist outside of a lab, (obviously), but maybe we invented a concept of God for the same purpose as morality, to survive.  This does not dismiss the existence of God outright, but maybe lends more validity to the idea that our thoughts truly create reality.  In the purest sense.  I'm sure this forum is a place where such an idea can be understood. 

Evil is a fallacy, plainly put.  Empathy will show you that even the most evil and obscene person is just that, a person.  Usually a mistreated and misunderstood person, who is fearful and acts out of that fear, purely. 
Good is also a fallacy, for that same reason.

Now chance and coinsidence.  order.  That is what truely intrests me.


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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Jimmyjazz]
    #21373425 - 03/07/15 06:38 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

God is a manmade concept and same with living forever after you die.

It is utter nonsense although a cute idea.

You know how long modern humans have been around? About 10,000 years (100 centuries).

You know how old the earth is? 4,500,000,000 years (45 million centuries).

Dinosaurs called earth home for HUNDRED of MILLIONS of years. We've been around not even a fraction of the time and we make all this nonsense up. There is 0 proof for an afterlife and 0 proof for Gods that live in outerspace, are invisible, and spy on humans.

What is your best proof for God?

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Confucian]
    #21373484 - 03/07/15 07:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

so what DO we 'know'?

That with a 'known' there is always 'unknown'.You cannot HAVE one without the other. To think so you might as well say you can have 'front' without'back'. The idea is absurd isn't it? To know form we need both.
Same is so with knowing and unknown.
So what 'is' this 'unknown'...? To know that would mean knowing what is unknown and that wouldn't make sense would it?
Some mythmakers have called this 'what we don't and cannot know' 'God' and then claim that 'he' demands abc. But that is all nonesense. How everrrr there is and always will be the unknown which is Mystery

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: zzripz]
    #21376187 - 03/07/15 09:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I never once said I believe in a certain religion. What I am saying is that all religions stem from the same basic belief system that was lost in history. It is naive to believe we are just created from nothing. Discounting the thousands of valid UFO sightings and religious experiences and elextromagnetic field disturbances.

All I'm trying to put out in this quantum particle of a thread in terms of the universe is that there is so much we do not know about ourselves and trying to make sense of it through your subjective experience is foolish.

We will never know the answers to the BIG questions. End of story. Everyone in this thread is sharing his or her opinion based on the things we have read, seen, experienced, etc. Not taking other people's theories or opinions into consideration is foolish. You can't live with the idea that my belief is right yours is wrong.

One guy here said modern humans have been around for 10,000 years. Thats the saddest thing I read here. Really? Where you around 10,000 years ago? Where you alive 100,000 years ago that you can even say this? Confucian is only repeating something he read in a text book.

None of us will ever know anything of any importance other than without dark, there would be no light, without light there would be no dark, even matter itself has anti-matter of which we don't know anything about.

We don't know jack shit even though as humans we'd love to believe we do.


I'm sleep deprived as fuck.

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Confucian]
    #21376508 - 03/07/15 11:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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God is a manmade concept and same with living forever after you die.

It is utter nonsense although a cute idea.

You know how long modern humans have been around? About 10,000 years (100 centuries).

You know how old the earth is? 4,500,000,000 years (45 million centuries).

Dinosaurs called earth home for HUNDRED of MILLIONS of years. We've been around not even a fraction of the time and we make all this nonsense up. There is 0 proof for an afterlife and 0 proof for Gods that live in outerspace, are invisible, and spy on humans.

What is your best proof for God?





The very fact the earth is 45 million centuries old and humans are only 100 centuries old makes me even more confident there is life after death.

It gives 35 million centuries of free-time for the earth to figure out a way to make it possible for its next creation(humans) to live forever.

if the earth can create ME then im sure it would have no problem making me eternal.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: DubSpore]
    #21376749 - 03/08/15 01:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I never once said I believe in a certain religion. What I am saying is that all religions stem from the same basic belief system that was lost in history. It is naive to believe we are just created from nothing. Discounting the thousands of valid UFO sightings and religious experiences and elextromagnetic field disturbances.

All I'm trying to put out in this quantum particle of a thread in terms of the universe is that there is so much we do not know about ourselves and trying to make sense of it through your subjective experience is foolish.

We will never know the answers to the BIG questions. End of story. Everyone in this thread is sharing his or her opinion based on the things we have read, seen, experienced, etc. Not taking other people's theories or opinions into consideration is foolish. You can't live with the idea that my belief is right yours is wrong.

One guy here said modern humans have been around for 10,000 years. Thats the saddest thing I read here. Really? Where you around 10,000 years ago? Where you alive 100,000 years ago that you can even say this? Confucian is only repeating something he read in a text book.

None of us will ever know anything of any importance other than without dark, there would be no light, without light there would be no dark, even matter itself has anti-matter of which we don't know anything about.

We don't know jack shit even though as humans we'd love to believe we do.


I'm sleep deprived as fuck.



Are you aware of genetic testing of human remains and archeology?  That's how we gather information about the history of man.  It's not just invented or passed down.  Do you really think that this information is just proclaimed with no reasoning?  What do you think of the scientists who love their field of interest and dedicate their lives to it?  If we didn't know anything about anything, we wouldn't have the internet and you wouldn't be on the shroomery right now.  It was no accident.

A good article for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans

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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Jufin]
    #21377229 - 03/08/15 08:21 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It is still only theory. There is no such thing as fact in terms of history.

These genetic testing and what no can be flawed. Also, just because our species of human is only 10000 years old doesn't mean there wasn't other species of humans already much more advanced then us.


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Re: Convincing evidence towards an afterlife, God, and Evil. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21377251 - 03/08/15 08:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Confucian said:
God is a manmade concept and same with living forever after you die.

It is utter nonsense although a cute idea.

You know how long modern humans have been around? About 10,000 years (100 centuries).

You know how old the earth is? 4,500,000,000 years (45 million centuries).

Dinosaurs called earth home for HUNDRED of MILLIONS of years. We've been around not even a fraction of the time and we make all this nonsense up. There is 0 proof for an afterlife and 0 proof for Gods that live in outerspace, are invisible, and spy on humans.

What is your best proof for God?





The very fact the earth is 45 million centuries old and humans are only 100 centuries old makes me even more confident there is life after death.

It gives 35 million centuries of free-time for the earth to figure out a way to make it possible for its next creation(humans) to live forever.

if the earth can create ME then im sure it would have no problem making me eternal.




Is the concept of a god really necessary in order to (possibly) be eternal?

I don't think deities, the afterlife, and being eternal are all mutually inclusive. I could also be wrong.


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