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Guitar players, help needed
    #21374782 - 03/07/15 02:31 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

So, my intonation on my acoustic is slightly off, but there's no truss rod to adjust it by.

I'm about to get some new guitar strings, because these ones are pretty old.

If the intonation is consistently as the fretted notes are slightly flat, then should I get slightly thicker strings, or slightly thinner strings, to compensate?

I know that string gauge effects intonation, but I don't know which way it goes.


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: Sheekle]
    #21374795 - 03/07/15 02:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I bet you just need new strings man.  They sound like they're dead.  For bonus points get some "Finger Ease" after for after you string it.  It's like playing on velvet pancakes.


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21374805 - 03/07/15 02:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I believe the intonation has been off for quite some time. String size effects intonation, so if I go in the direction of whichever way makes the intonation slightly sharper, it would be a good idea.

Thicker or thinner?


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: Sheekle]
    #21374872 - 03/07/15 02:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

First things first, change your strings. Next, compare your pitch harmonics to the notes on the same string and see if they're sharp. Always change strings before checking the intonation.


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: Sheekle]
    #21374897 - 03/07/15 03:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well it depends on what you're going for.  Thinner strings will have a "tinnier" thinner tone while a thicker gauge string will reverberate more consistently producing a richer timbre and a more rounded tone; but the drawback is that it's much harder to play with thicker gauge strings.

You have to find that "right" balance for yourself.


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21374929 - 03/07/15 03:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Change your strings, and then check the intonation.


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21374940 - 03/07/15 03:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

On an acoustic this is tricky.

Your acoustic guitar doesn't have a truss rod? What kind of guitar is it?

Honestly if its nothing special I think you should drop a couple hundred bucks on a guitar with a truss rod. Truss rods aren't really for adjusting intonation, but having it there to adjust to get the right relief on the neck is really helpful, and in general makes the neck much more stable.

How is the action on this guitar? High?

How is the neck shape? Put your eye by the bridge and look up towards the headstock; is the line along the ends of the frets straight, or is it bowed?

Edited by drr (03/07/15 03:16 PM)

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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: drr]
    #21374957 - 03/07/15 03:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The reason I ask, is that if your neck is too bowed, due to having no truss rod, the action is probably higher, and notes are going sharp on higher frets because you have to push the strings down so far to fret them.

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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: drr]
    #21374973 - 03/07/15 03:23 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

And I just read your post again and saw that they are flat, not sharp.

Are you sure your guitar doesn't have a truss rod? On acoustics they're usually adjusted inside the sound hole, not at the headstock.

As for your question, I do know string size affects intonation but do not know which way you need to go to try to correct it. If your guitar truly doesn't have a truss rod though, I don't really think it's going to be worth the work you need to put into it to set the intonation right, but I'm assuming this is a cheapo guitar, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: drr]
    #21375440 - 03/07/15 05:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe my guitar has a truss rod inside the sound hole now that you mention it.

It's an Ibanez artwood series guitar, like $400 or so. It's pretty good.

I went and got some slightly thicker strings, and it seems to have fixed the intonation on all the strings except the A-string, but it's not off by THAT much.

Perhaps it'll fix itself once the string is broken in more.

Like, the open A and a fretted note on the string are both within the range on the tuner, but the open A is slightly above and the other is slightly below. They're both within the + or - 20 thing, w/e that means. Not much of an audible difference though


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: Sheekle]
    #21375800 - 03/07/15 06:59 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like it would be good enough for me. Those ibanez artwood acoustics are nice, that is exactly what I would have recommended. It definitely has a truss rod.

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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: drr]
    #21375859 - 03/07/15 07:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Sheeks I would bet you're using copper strings and copper and Nylon is soft  and stays stretched so maybe go to steel strings. :shrug:


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21375864 - 03/07/15 07:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

what no I use normal strings


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: Sheekle]
    #21375870 - 03/07/15 07:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean by "normal"?


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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: Sheekle]
    #21375938 - 03/07/15 07:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

On an acoustic there aren't many places to adjust for intonation.

To check your neck/truss rod setting, press one finger on the first fret (on top of the fret itself, not inbetween) and another on the 12th fret. You may need a buddy to help. Take a business card or two and slide it under the 7th fret. This is more or less *my ideal setting*. Adjust the truss rod 1/8 to a 1/4 turn at a time. And recheck. Don't go too far, your neck can snap.

The nut and saddle are the other possible culprits. But if your guitar is fairly new it shouldn't be. If necessary, a new bone nut and saddle can be had for $10-20 on ebay. You can sand it down to your liking and install. I prefer a real low action, as long as there's no buzz.

YouTube is helpful for tutorials of both of these procedures.

Good luck. Ps I recommend daddario phosphor bronze light strings...I think they're 11's :cool:

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Re: Guitar players, help needed [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #21375947 - 03/07/15 07:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I got some Elixer 13-56's today


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