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Hunting in Chile
    #2137342 - 11/26/03 12:29 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

Hi, I live in Chile, and I'd like to start hunting for shrooms. There are not books or guides about growing/hunting mushrooms here, so I would appreciate any kind of help, tips, etc... What could I do?
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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #2137547 - 11/26/03 01:28 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

There are a few ways to get involved.

If there is a mycological society near you, they are generally very willing to help beginners learn about finding and identifying mushrooms. They tend to focus on edible mushrooms, but the basic ideas on finding and identification are the same for all mushrooms.

Another idea is to visit your local library. They may have some books that cover your area. Even if they don't have any for your specific area, any good book will give you the basic ideas on how to find and identify mushrooms.

If you get books from other areas of the world, be aware of the fact that you will have species that are not in the books and there will be mushrooms in the books that don't grow where you are.

You can also try asking around at a nearby university or college to see if there are any mycologists there. If so, talk to them. They may be willing to help you get started.


In general, the only way to find mushrooms is to go out and look for them. When you find some, note the habitat - everything about it you can. If you want to find more of those same mushrooms, look for more of the same habitat. Habitat includes the trees and other plants growing, what the mushrooms are growing on, the altitude, which side (north, south, etc) of the hill you're on, season, how much rain you've had recently, and lakes and rivers nearby, just to name a few obvious things.

When you find mushrooms, make a collection. You should have specimens of every age (but skip the ones that are so old they're rotting). Make sure you get the entire mushroom, even if you have to dig into the ground a little to get the base of the stem. If you have to dig up a stem base, be careful you don't lose any parts that might be fragile. Make notes of anything that might not survive the trip home (for example, fragile partial veils). Use waxed paper (the best!) or brown paper bags for your collections (never plastic bags).

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2138094 - 11/26/03 04:00 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

sorry for hijacking the thread but why is it a bad idea to use plastic bags?


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: Slite]
    #2138112 - 11/26/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Plastic bags can make the shrooms rot. They are a big no-no!


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: Signo]
    #2138412 - 11/26/03 06:22 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)


It really doesn't matter unless u r an idiot and don't take them out when u get home.These are the best bags.They have a clip and some kind of thing that will keep it open or closed.I have used these for years.On average one of these bags will hold 6 oz. after dryin'.




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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: FuCkYoUplease]
    #2138484 - 11/26/03 07:17 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

It may be worth noting that many countries in Europe boast of the ability to produce liberty caps in their dung struck soils, and that collouqialistic varieties of amanita muscaria are known to thrive over almost all of Europe. I found nothing pertaining to Chuile on the web but neighboring countries may be of some help to examine the possibilities they provide. You should certainly look in dung of cattle everywhere especially during the spring and fall thoough this may not ring true for you as I know nothing about your weather at any given time. Moist conditions with heat and cowshit galore often yeild actives almost everywhere and during the appropriate times of the year you may be able to find pan. sub. varieties or sub-species thriving in dung, straw and grass. The substrate is almost always yhe same anywhere you go- dung or wood. Eat nothing and post everything. With luck you may map out new species in new places. Godlessspeed!


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: superblingtheory]
    #2138505 - 11/26/03 07:26 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

I'm sure I've seen pictures of Andean mountain people with handfulls of the most potent looking psilocybes.It's been a mental "keeper" for years.Why not order some mushroom books/book from Amsterdam Holland (go to wwww.smartbotanics.com or www.amazing-nature.com).If you have any problems MAKE SURE you tell them they are for RESEARCH ONLY.Let us know how you get on!
P.S Your indigenous species are rumoured to be VERY psychoactive!


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: Silverwolf]
    #2138548 - 11/26/03 07:48 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

P.S When you talk to the nice people in Holland DO make sure you ask for a book which deals in detail with the mycology (mushrooms and fungi) in your area.


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: Silverwolf]
    #2138836 - 11/26/03 10:36 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Most psilocybe and books on magic mushrooms can be puirhased on ebey, amazon.com, barnes and Nobles and B. Daltons and Borders bookstores.

They are readily more available then what they have in Amsterdam is mostly European orientated books on shrooms.

And here is a list of the magioc shrooms known to occur in Chili with references

Chile
Amanita muscaria (Garrido, 1985; Valenzuela et al., 1992)

Conocybe kuhneriana (Singer, 1969; Garrido, 1985; Valenzuela et al., 1992)

Gymnopilus purpuratus (Singer, 1969; Garrido, 1985; Kreisel & Lindequist, 1988; Gartz & Muller, 1990; Gartz, 1991a, b, c, 1996)

G. spectabilis (Singer, 1969; Garrido, 1985; Valenzuela et al., 1992)

Pluteus atricapillus (Garrido, 1985; Valenzuela et al., 1992)
P. glaucus (Garrido, 1985).

Psilocybe carbonaria (Singer, 1969; Guzm?n, 1983; Garrido, 1985)/
P. fimetaria (Singer, 1969; Guzm?n, 1983; Stamets, 1996; Garrido, 1985).
P. lazoi (Singer, 1969; 1986; Guzm?n, 1983, as P. zapotecorum).
P. liniformans var. americana (Guzm?n, 1983; Garrido, 1985; Stamets, 1996).
P. semilanceata (Singer, 1969; Guzm?n, 1983; Garrido, 1985; Redhead, 1989; Samorini, 1993; Stamets, 1996).
P. sierrae (Singer, 1969; Guzm?n, 1983, 1995; Garrido, 1985; Stamets, 1996).
P. strictipes (Singer, 1969; Guzm?n, 1983; Garrido, 1985; Stamets, 1996).
P. zapotecorum (Guzm?n, 1983; Garrido, 1985; Stijve & Meijer, 1993).

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2138879 - 11/26/03 10:54 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Thanks for all your answers. I'd really like to buy a book, but I can't afford it right now... in a short time I'll be able to buy it, but I don't think there are books that mention mushrooms in Chile, but the chilean ones...and I haven't found any. MJShroomer, do you knwo where could I find those books you said?


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #2138891 - 11/26/03 11:01 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Paul Stamets Psilocybine Mushrooms of the World.

The listings for the shromms I listed are from a journal by Gaston Guzman, me and jochen Gartz. That can be found form my site at mushroomjohn.com int he index for articles and probably inthe main index at my site. There were some other species also listed but are probably not psychoactive based on false positives.

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I have a copy of the book for sale for twenty dollars for the Stamets plus five dollars shipping. I t is a used library copy and the actual book is $29.00 new, plus shipping. The new printing will go to $34.95 in a month or so.

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #2138895 - 11/26/03 11:02 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

One more thing... wouldn't be too obvious asking a mycologist? I mean... they know that there are magic mushrooms around, and I don't think he would believe me if I told him/her that I just wanted to pick some mushrooms to make an omelette.


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: Slite]
    #2138925 - 11/26/03 11:23 PM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Just today I went my local Fred Meyer (American) grocery store and stuck a bunch of extra paper 'mushroom' bags in my cart. They're smallish bags without handles, but I just hunt for edibles and I figure I can keep an number of different species seperate in a larger bag (say a double bag from Trader Joe's-with handles) while I hunt. Frankly, I've had better luck storing sotre-bought buttons in a plastic bag than in the provided paper bag, but then again I think store-bought mushrooms are somewhat dried out by the time I see them. I've had bad luck with plastic bags and wild mushrooms, which made me think store-bought mushrooms might be dried out to begin with.

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: justsmurfy]
    #2139088 - 11/27/03 01:01 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

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and I don't think he would believe me if I told him/her that I just wanted to pick some mushrooms to make an omelette.





you might be pleasantly supprised. i still get quite odd looks from many people, but the hunting of edible mushrooms is common enough, at least in my area, that most people will take my word for it.

also, in two towns i frequently hunt in, many people have come to know me as "that mushroom guy" and are used to seeing me stooping low to the ground in the woods, or walking in the fields in the rain.


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: canid]
    #2139151 - 11/27/03 01:26 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

I shouid emoind you that several of those shrooms listed for chili growin manured catle fields. in tall grasses, such as thr liberty caps and P. strictipes and P. fimetaria in manure in fields.

Pictures can be viewed at my site at http://www.mushroomjohn.com/species.htm

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2139765 - 11/27/03 08:41 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

I know some places very close to my city that have horses and cows, tall grass, etc.. but it's spring here, summer is comming, and it's very dry; it hasn't rained for a long time. Do I have to wait for a rain, or I might find something? This friend of mine has some mushrooms in his garden, neither of us know if they're good or not. I'll pick them and investigate about them. I hope you can help me.
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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #2139826 - 11/27/03 09:58 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Post them- and check for blueing. First you should start with liberty caps if you ask me, since there is a wealth of information and LOTS of pictures readily available. Hunting for mushrooms that are not well known and are unpopular and uncommon to most will often result in confusion while hunting for common actives may yeild better results initially and be less dangerous. If you work with dung- loving species first (p. semilanceata, p. strictipes, etc.....) you have narrowed your chances considerably for misidentification. However do not eat ANYTHING until you know 700% what you have. You should make it a habit to go ahead and post everything and eat nothing. Make notes and examine every mushroom seperately, not by the bundle because oyu picked them all on the same day or somesuch. What is your weather like currently? Highs? Lows? Humidity? You just may be in luck. Happy hunting and good luck.


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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: superblingtheory]
    #2140263 - 11/27/03 02:26 PM (18 years, 9 days ago)

I just got home. My paper bags are empty. I went hunting with a friend, to a place with woods, a little creek, horses (and lots of horse dung), but all the grass was dry. There were some trees with moss, and we looked very carefuly for shrooms, but nothing. I think that after a good rain, that is going to be a good place to go hunting. The average temperarures in this season are: Min. 60 F?, Max. 85? (about 10c? and 30c?); in a couple of months, when it's summer, the max goes up to 90? or more. Today's humidity is 36%.
~~From a webpage~~: The weather of this area is mediterranean, warm, with regular temperature variations between summer and winter. Rains occur mainly between March and September (autumn and winter), and very scarcely in summer. The annual average temperature is 14? Celsius (57 f?); in winter, the average is 9? Celsius (48 F?), and in summer it is 22? Celsius (72 F?), though sometimes it may be higher than 30? (86 F?) in this season.
Are there any possibilities in this season??

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #2141392 - 11/28/03 01:23 AM (18 years, 9 days ago)

In most temperate climates the main, biggest mushroom season is during autumn. There is another season which is usually not quite as good in spring. Between them there are generally some mushrooms to be found, but not in the quantities or variety they are during the peaks.

For any particular mushroom species, the only way (unless you have references that can tell you) to find out the season is to go out and look for them. Keep track of what you find - you can probably find them again next year at about the same time.

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2143085 - 11/28/03 10:16 PM (18 years, 8 days ago)

I will go hunting to other places with more tall grass, but for what I've learned here, it's better to wait for the rains... As you said, Toxicman, I think on april-may (our autumn) I'll find the treasure. Thanks for all your comments and tips.
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    #2149589 - 12/01/03 04:05 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

I found a book written by a mycologist professor at my University. He listed all the mushrooms you can find here in Chile, edibles, non edibles, toxic and non toxic, and "hallucinogens", which are:

- Amanita Muscaria
- Mycena Pura ('pura' means 'pure' in english)
- Psilocybe Semilanceata (liberty caps?)
- Psilocybe Zapotecorum
- Psilocybe Retirugis
- Paneolus Sphinctrinus
- Panaeolina Foenisecii

He also named the habitats for each specie, but didn't mention what season of the year is the best to find these species. I tried to contact this professor, but I was told he was ill and he wasn't going to work for the week (I understood that as "he's tripping and he'll come back as soon as he leaves the other dimension") Anyways, does anyone know which weather helps this species growing?

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #2149633 - 12/01/03 04:16 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Thiese two shrooms are not psychoactive.

Thats why they were not included in the list above.

Mycena Pura is rvery rare adn it is still not sure about chemical content. and Amanita muscria does not contain psilocine/psilocybine.

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Retirugis is similar o to panaeolus subbalteatus and may even be con-specific with that species.



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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2149721 - 12/01/03 04:51 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

MJ, which shrooms were not included in the list? sorry, I didn't understand that.
I looked in your page and found that Gymnopilus Spectabilis and G. Purpuratus are psychoactive too. The author of this book said they were just toxic, not psychoactive.. so it's nice to see we have 2 more species to look for. He also said that psilocybe argentina could be found here, but he didn't list it as psychoactive. Is it active? (I mean, the name says psylocibe, does it say something?)
On the other hand, I know that amanita muscaria doesen't contain psilocine/psilocybine, but you can trip with it too, right?

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #2150608 - 12/01/03 10:23 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Sorry I was referring to the panaeolus sphinctrinus and to the panaeolina foenisecii which are not psychoactive, nor is Psilocybe argentina.

I caution people about the gymnopilus a shrooms becasue of their orange cinnamoon color which some could mistake a galerina as a small gymnopilus. While a few of the spe ies occur on stumps others are in rotted or dying wood debris rich in humus and liguin. So I usually tell collectors to avoid those species.

G. purpuratus is very common now in Germany but is still common in the austral Floral Zone form Australia to Chi;li and Argentina.

I have eten them on four ocasions, ddried specimens while in Germany =visiting my colleague Jochen Gartz.

mj

again, good luck on your hunt. I wouled really stick to Psilocybes and Copelandias.
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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2151499 - 12/02/03 12:03 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

Thanks MJ.I will be careful.
I'm SO exited, because on December 15th I'm going to the south of Chile, which has a totally different weather (compared to santiago) and LOTS of forests with high humidity, woods, lakes, rivers, etc., so I think I'll find some shrooms over there. The not-too-good side of this, is that I won't have a computer to post the pictures..(maybe a cybercafe) I'll just have to pick he mushrooms, let them dry, and when I come back to Santiago i'd post the pics of the fresh mushrooms, and if they are edible/actives I'll eat them.
If I found some P. Semilanceata and I can't post the pic, is it safe to eat them? because for what I know, there are not dangerous species here that look alike to P. Semilanceata... Can I do that?

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #2151831 - 12/02/03 02:52 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

http://www.ecopueblo.cl/ecoreservapualafquen.htm

I don't knwo how to upload pictures. Here's a link to a chilean page of an Ecological community where they show a couple of shroom pictures. They are in the middle of the page. As I already said, I'm going to the south, and the place in this pictures is very close to where I'm going, so It's very likely that I'll find the shrooms they are showing. Can anyone identify them? I guess the kid is holding an amanita, but the other ones...no idea.

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Re: Hunting in Chile [Re: wingo]
    #14478730 - 05/19/11 03:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I live in Chile and we have THOUSANDS of Amanita Muscarias growing all over Conce, I don't know which part you are in... anyone else know where to find other types of mushrooms in Chile?


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