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keeno
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mycelial mat as humidity source/ nutrient delivery system
#21359964 - 03/04/15 08:30 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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First off, apologies if this isn't advanced, feel free to move it
I Love Bonsai, and I love scale models. So here's what I'm attempting
I'm creating a scale 'scene' using Maiden Hair ferns as tree's and adding miniature models to create a sense of scale and tell a story...
this is the start of one:

the 'pot' (seedling tray) is lifted above an undertray, which is filled with water, into which I have dipped approx 24x9" lengths of twine. These are fed through the seedling tray holes, up into the 'pot' to provide water, mainly to the 'hillock' with the fern in it, but also around the rest of the tray which is covered in a layer of fine compost, then a layer of fine woodchip, with grit laid on top of this to hopefully provide humidity to the fern, which it loves.

into the layer of woodchips I poured some of my Psilocybe Allenii grains

which looked pretty ready to go.
my idea is:
if the water in the tray is kept topped up, the twine will provide enough water to the 'pot' to keep it fully hydrated for the fern to thrive, and the mycelial mat. The mycelium was added to see if could help with hydration and also create a bond with the root system of the fern to provide nutrients. the water that makes it into the grit will help provide humidity for the fern, keeping the whole thing looking lush. I do however expect that if/when it fruits, it's rip the whole scene to bits... but whilst I re/search for a woodlover with tiny fruits (suggestions welcome) I used the Allenii as that is what I had 
My plans are to cover the mound which the fern comes out of with moss spores to simulate grass, and hold it all together...
any ideas/ theories/ debunking welcome, I'll keep you all up to speed on how it goes 
cheers!
Keeno
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psyder
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Re: mycelial mat as humidity source/ nutrient delivery system [Re: keeno] 1
#21364539 - 03/05/15 03:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice idea but if you are looking for a shroom to assist the plant you should be looking into specific mycorhizal relationships for the strain of tree and fungi.
Following how this will turn out with curiosity
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keeno
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Re: mycelial mat as humidity source/ nutrient delivery system [Re: psyder]
#21364713 - 03/05/15 06:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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ah yeah, I thought I might be barking up the wrong tree. I just thought, "I wonder if..." and went ahead and did it instead of researching.
does anyone know of resources where mycorhizal relationships can be checked out?
cheers Psyder!
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psyder
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Re: mycelial mat as humidity source/ nutrient delivery system [Re: keeno] 1
#21365119 - 03/05/15 09:04 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry, I don't know any sources I would recommend...i haven't dived there yet. Maybe someone else could point you in the right direction. And google, a good start on pdfs on mycorhizal topic. Cheers
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drake89
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Re: mycelial mat as humidity source/ nutrient delivery system [Re: psyder] 1
#21368441 - 03/05/15 09:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's a journal available in academic libraries called 'mycorhizza' I believe. At least s couple of books
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keeno
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Re: mycelial mat as humidity source/ nutrient delivery system [Re: drake89]
#21369205 - 03/06/15 03:54 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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cheers drake89!
I'll go see what I can find
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Re: mycelial mat as humidity source/ nutrient delivery system [Re: keeno] 1
#21373335 - 03/07/15 05:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
keeno said: ah yeah, I thought I might be barking up the wrong tree. I just thought, "I wonder if..." and went ahead and did it instead of researching.
does anyone know of resources where mycorhizal relationships can be checked out?
cheers Psyder!
Mycelium running by paul stamets, There is a lot of information about mycorhizal relationships in it. And a whole chapter about Gardening with gourmet and medicinal mushrooms.
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mustangbob3
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Re: mycelial mat as humidity source/ nutrient delivery system [Re: Spacy]
#21373352 - 03/07/15 05:48 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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you could use it as an irrigation for just the mycelium without the plant involved. the mycelium would use its own natural osmotic pressure to draw up the needed amount of water by capillary action and then transport this water around itself by active transport.
i have done simlilar things to fruit oysters with a view to learn how to grow cubesis on grodan rockwool cubes fed by my secret invention (a two way permeable membrane that allows mycelium to grow into it and also allow liquid to pass the membrane controlled by the myceliums own pressures and systems ) and also creates a mid ground that allows secreation of enzymes into the membrane to break down polymer into monomers to allow mineral content across to the mycelium. its like an umbilical cord!! and can deliver nutrients and water in a clean contam free way. i have fed the mushrooms brewing wort with added gypsum and it works and could be classed as bio-ponics. i am working on a recipe for complete mineral and glycogen based nutrient feed and then will be classed as a hydroponic system!
im experimenting at the moment and then am going to patent the design and try to sell to NASA for growing mushrooms in space, as they new mission to mars needs a viable protein source for people to live on. mars rock can be spun into rockwool for an inert substance making supplys needed to sent there less. mycelia cultures could be sent! im sure they are already working on water management systems so i assume water would not be a problem!
i will do a journal here about it one day but at the moment im working on light interactions as this is need if we are to grow on another planet with a different light source!! (and boring everybody with it lol) seen here- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21364628&page=0&vc=1#21364628
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Edited by mustangbob3 (03/08/15 04:14 AM)
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