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Achillita
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21364961 - 03/05/15 08:11 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: bill s experience sounds like my psychosis lol you sure IV 'ing the dmt didn't just cause a mini psychotic episode by assaulting your 5ht receptors? sound very similar to situations i have had without even being on a drug!
i bet if you listened to the radio or tv it was 4 dimensional and the people on it was talking in synchronised tongues directly relating to you and your situation!
it sounds like simulated psychosis lol do you have mental probs? if so i would say the dmt may be a trigger
The bad trip I described was from Oral 33mg 4-acO-DMT freebase.
My IV trip was 100x more intense, was didn't cause a psychotic experience.
Weird how that works, ay?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21364964 - 03/05/15 08:12 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Bill, was that your famous IV 4-Aco-DMT trip you wrote about?
Cause your trip report of that trip sounded way different than the "random order of memories" you described.
Nah, it was oral 33mg 4-aco-dmt freebase.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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mustangbob3
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21364986 - 03/05/15 08:20 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah you would think that iv would go straight to the brain and the fast hit mess with the receptors fast and more so than oral or maybe it is just like a key in a lock as far as the brain is concerned and delivery makes not difference to the assult on the receptors so all the brain see's is the signal not the amount that creates it or something lol
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: mustangbob3] 1
#21365000 - 03/05/15 08:25 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: yeah you would think that iv would go staight to the brain!!
psychs are tricky.
Sometimes 2g shrooms can make you trip harder than 5g of shrooms.
Sometimes 2 tabs of acid can make you have a bad trip and 10 tabs do not.
Sometimes IV 4-aco can give you the most intense, crazy awe-inspiring trip without touching the psychosis part of the mind., yet oral 4-aco will.
The psychs do what they want with you, when they want
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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mustangbob3
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21365009 - 03/05/15 08:27 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes and the old saying set and setting still cant be overlooked. tricky game it can be lol i dont think psyches are anywhere near as bad as amphetamines for inducing psychotic episodes, at least not for me.
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Ezuma
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Potion Wizard] 1
#21365268 - 03/05/15 09:41 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I enjoyed it I wouldn't call it bad personally...
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PsilocybinPsycho1
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Ezuma]
#21365363 - 03/05/15 10:03 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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For me nowadays its not so much the negative thoughts or the visual aspects that would give me bad trips but more if I get too many intensely uncomfortable feelings in my body. Sometimes when I trip I get gas bubbles that hang around my diaphragm area and makes me feel like I'm having a heartattack. One time I was dehydrated an an ACO dmt trip and it made my body feel horrible until I finally could get a clear thought from my delusionary state and drink water. I do not enjoy the rough parts of trips because frankly they can sometimes be the most utterly horrifying thing you've ever experienced and the thoughts you may get caught in can make you sometimes feel insane. I do rather enjoy the insights gained tho and when I hit the heavenly part after going through hell it always ends up so much sweeter and the euphoria greater.
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I'll be honest; from the one bad trip I've had I must say that while it was horrible during the experience in retrospect it certainly was one of the most unique nights of my life.
All I can say is that it is certainly not boring struggling to grasp yourself to reality against an ever intensifying black hole of psychedelic doom.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfZwmwTmpCw&t=25m36s
Edited by TripFallRiseShine (03/05/15 11:47 AM)
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Ezuma]
#21366619 - 03/05/15 03:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: If I enjoyed it I wouldn't call it bad personally...
so true.
bad trips are really freaking rare, in my case. I feel like when you master the art of Set&Setting then bad trips are actually hard to have occur.
that's why I was so shocked when I had that 1 bad trip with oral 4-aco-dmt...because I went into the trip like I always do, and it just randomly fucked the dog shit out of me. No idea why 
I guess the psychedelic gods were teaching me that no matter who you are...THEY are in control and that nobody is incapable of having a bad trip.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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larry.fisherman
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21366649 - 03/05/15 03:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't even remember the last time I had what I would call a bad trip. Even the ones I have had I can easily look back on them with admiration because they were cool, inspirational, introspective. The thing is, I'm pretty comfortable when I'm tripping. I mean, I couldn't imagine myself using a benzo to get off a trip. Buy the ticket and all that. You have to take it for what it's worth and sometimes things don't have much if any unless you put in the patience for it to bloom.
A bad trip is like finding yourself on a rollercoaster all of a sudden. A good trip is like letting yourself be on one. The only difference is your acceptance of the experience. That, and when in life does everything always go our way? As with anything, deal with it as it comes. Tomorrow is another day.
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Bill_Oreilly
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XLCaps said: I couldn't imagine myself using a benzo to get off a trip. Buy the ticket and all that. You have to take it for what it's worth and sometimes things don't have much if any unless you put in the patience for it to bloom.
yeah same here...during my bad trip I didn't even think of taking a benzo. I knew that for some reason I was supposed to have the bad trip, so I accepted it.
Psychedelics always give me what I need...so what, now that it bites me in the ass once im going to change my whole philosophy just to fit my own personal desire?
Hell no.
If psychs didn't give me what I needed, then I wouldn't do them.
If I thought that I was having a bad trip for no reason, then I wouldn't trip to begin with.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21366737 - 03/05/15 03:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can't always get what you want But if you try some time, you just might find You get what you need
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Bill_Oreilly
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-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21367268 - 03/05/15 05:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Achillita
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Re: Does any actually enjoy a bad trip? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21367821 - 03/05/15 07:14 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah agreed. Psyches will kick you in the ass if you need it. They can be gentle and showing, or they will break down your personality and build you up from the ground. They'll bring you through heaven or through hell if it's a necessity.
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