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The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. * 1
    #21360754 - 03/04/15 11:39 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

IME, there is definitely a notable difference between fresh and dehydrated mushrooms in the ways of how they psycho-actively affect me.  A lot of the older heads and hands, imo, hold true to the fact that potency is lost during the dehydration process.  I can kind of subscribe to that.  I just think that fresher psilocybin is a better quality product than psilocybin that's been ran through the dehydration process.  Still I accept that not enough research into this topic, scientifically, has been done to warrant any kind of end-all be-all answer to the question of whether or not psilocybin is actually lost as a result of the fruits being ran through a dehydration process, so I was wondering what you alls experiences, and, studies and research is and how it sways your opinion(s) over the subject.


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: hamloaf]
    #21360789 - 03/04/15 11:46 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:popcorn: Is it possible to tell until we can actually measure the amounts in each? I think it will happen, sooner than later hopefully. I'm with you though, I've noticed 2g of fresh is more intense than 2g dried. I start feeling the effects sooner as well.

Maybe it's just all in our heads though too :lol:


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21360870 - 03/04/15 12:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The drying process, as far as I know, destroys most psilocin molecules, but the psilocybin remains intact.

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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21360935 - 03/04/15 12:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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:popcorn: Is it possible to tell until we can actually measure the amounts in each? I think it will happen, sooner than later hopefully. I'm with you though, I've noticed 2g of fresh is more intense than 2g dried. I start feeling the effects sooner as well.

Maybe it's just all in our heads though too :lol:




2g of fresh is more intense than 2g dried?  And you feel effects sooner as well?  That's not enough to make a small animal feel anything... I'm confused by this....

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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: Dilated]
    #21360943 - 03/04/15 12:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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:popcorn: Is it possible to tell until we can actually measure the amounts in each? I think it will happen, sooner than later hopefully. I'm with you though, I've noticed 2g of fresh is more intense than 2g dried. I start feeling the effects sooner as well.

Maybe it's just all in our heads though too :lol:




2g of fresh is more intense than 2g dried?  And you feel effects sooner as well?  That's not enough to make a small animal feel anything... I'm confused by this....



I think he means 20g fresh vs 2g dried.

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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: Dilated]
    #21360945 - 03/04/15 12:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I think he meant 20g of fresh vs 2g of dry....

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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: Dilated]
    #21360953 - 03/04/15 12:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

i would think more would be lost if ya simply stuck a fan on it then tossed it in a dehydrator but i've always been pleased with mine so i'm just posting to be a part of the thread:lol:


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: PussyFart]
    #21360996 - 03/04/15 12:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

from what I can gather from the research I have done concerning extraction of actives, psilocybin is a very hardy molecule and can put up with a fair deal of abuse, but psilocin is as delicate as pure crystal lsd and will oxidize rapidly if exposed to heat or strong light so it must be handled at low temperature and in low light (red/yellow light darkroom conditions). analytical research has found that there are equal amounts of psilocybin and psilocin in cubensis, its possible that harsh drying methods using any form of heat could very well destroy all of the psilocin but leave the psilocybin untouched, thereby reducing the alkaloid content to one half of its original amount.

this is why I want to build a forced cool air dryer someday


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: disney_psychedelic]
    #21361022 - 03/04/15 12:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Exposed to strong light AFTER harvesting, causes the break down of psilocin?

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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: Dilated]
    #21361288 - 03/04/15 01:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

the reference to strong light degrading psilocin was in reference to handling procedures for pure crystalline psilocin after extraction, principally I was mentioning it to describe how delicate and prone to oxidative degradation it is


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: disney_psychedelic]
    #21361370 - 03/04/15 01:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I've only tried fresh a few times, not enough to make any claims except they made me sick to my stomach. The worst shroom gurgles I've ever had. I'll never eat them fresh again.


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: disney_psychedelic]
    #21361380 - 03/04/15 01:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

man i feel like people post about degrading potency due to heat every week.... i dont notice any difference...


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21361387 - 03/04/15 01:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I've only tried fresh a few times, not enough to make any claims except they made me sick to my stomach. The worst shroom gurgles I've ever had. I'll never eat them fresh again.




Really? Sad. Have you tried a fresh tea recipe?

I plan to try some fresh and then different drying methods. It will take a while though, and is a pretty subjective approach. Obviously with an isolate.

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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: Guardian187]
    #21361437 - 03/04/15 02:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

yes. I like tea.


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21361566 - 03/04/15 02:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Shit yeah I meant 20g fresh to 2g dry, my bad!


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: Helnak]
    #21361585 - 03/04/15 02:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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The drying process, as far as I know, destroys most psilocin molecules, but the psilocybin remains intact.



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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: Algo]
    #21361627 - 03/04/15 02:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I always noticed a considerable difference when eating them fresh compared to dried. And I have eaten clones fresh then a few weeks later dried, on several occasions and there was always a notable difference.Hard to quantify but I certainly noticed a difference more than placebo could account for. Always seemed to come on stronger faster and harder when fresh.


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: tourrat]
    #21362034 - 03/04/15 04:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I find the immediate, bioavailable psilocin in the fresh mushrooms to have a more electric presence than the slower churning waves of the psilocybin that your stomach acids convert to psilocin.

My preferred ingestion method would be fresh mushrooms in tea with lemon.  :thumbup:

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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21362288 - 03/04/15 05:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

shroom jello and chocolates for me. but i like em fresh as well. ive had far more intense trips over the years picking them fresh from cow pastures and eating them right out of the tub. thats not to say i haven't had some intense trips off dry mushrooms either.


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Re: The Degrading Of Psilocybin (if any) During The Dehydration Process. [Re: grainbrain]
    #21362295 - 03/04/15 05:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Stamets says in psilocybin mushrooms of the world Page38

"Since psilocybin is degraded into psilocin during digestion, you are only feeling the effects of psilocin, a dephosphorylated form of psilocin."

from websters dictionary
dephosphorylation
noun, Biochemistry
1.
the removal of a phosphate group from an organic compound, as in the changing of ATP to ADP.
2.
the resulting state or condition.

...and yes I always have a better time with fresh as grainbrain points out.

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