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bodhisatta 
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21357183 - 03/03/15 04:30 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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How do you know the PH of your well water?
Bacteria hate slightly basic substrate (pH 8) but do great in slightly acidic substrate (pH 6.5-5.5) and mycellium metabolites lower pH.[/url]
Does this mean you could decrease the chances of contamination before colonization by using high pH water when doing a PF tek?
possibly. this is how edible growers get away using straw without heat pasteurization. they use lime or bleach pasteurization to a PH of 10-11. it's still best for your inoculant to be clean though.
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: bodhisatta]
#21357198 - 03/03/15 04:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn, you're answering all my questions in all these threads..
So would an experiment around pH 11 be worth attempting, or would around 8 be a better test run?
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bodhisatta 
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21357229 - 03/03/15 04:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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try a few different things. but cakes are the first step like spawn you want those to be clean anyway. when you use spawn to inoculate a bulk substrate like straw then the PH thing comes into play. if you're trying to save a cake from getting infected your best bet is a clean syringe or working with agar not adjusting the PH. but I would try a spread.
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Toadstool5
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: bodhisatta]
#21357269 - 03/03/15 04:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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So would an experiment around pH 11 be worth attempting, or would around 8 be a better test run?
According to the FDA bacteria counts nearly double between pH 4-8. I am unaware how much difference there is between 8 and 11 to be honest. Running at a pH lower than 4 or higher than 8 will almost halve your chances of bacterial contams. Because mycelium metabolites are acidic i would start at 9-11 so it takes awhile to drop below 8 or i would do it right at 4 and just let it become really acidic.
Like Bodhisatta said, its better to work on sterile procedure rather than relying on pH but if doing a large amount of grains or bulk it does somewhat contribute to the chances bacteria will take hold of the substrate.
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Grefa
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: Toadstool5]
#21360075 - 03/04/15 09:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Going back to my original issue. This first run of jars I'll just abort. Not a hint of growth in the jars, they have till Saturday, the two week mark to give me a sign or I'm dumping em and going to do 6 jars with brf and 6 with wbs
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: Grefa]
#21367634 - 03/05/15 06:30 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I can do two things, I've moved the LC jar to 80 deg tempertures and its taken on and orange tint and the myc is going crazy, I can reinoculate or I can start another run. Thoughts? Suggestions?
-------------------- Everything I say is a bullshit lie created to try and win over the minds of alien beings, all the pictures I posted were taken from Google images. Noob Forum Easy Agar Tek
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Toadstool5
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: Grefa]
#21374750 - 03/07/15 02:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you have pictures? If you try to inoculate with questionable LC, dont use all your jars and substrate so it won't cost so much if it turns out bad. If it turns out good you could do a G2G transfer or use the LC again.
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Grefa
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: Toadstool5]
#21377958 - 03/08/15 12:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I reinoculated the second run of jars as the LC went crazy when i put it in 75 degree room, shook it up and reinoculated. First run of jars I trashed, need to wait to get my filters and ports and make another LC jar before I use up my other one before I do any more runs. Got a couple syringes that I might split between 12 more jars, doing 6 BRF and 6 WBS. We'll see, at this point im more interested in the mechanics of the process than the outcome.
http://imgur.com/wOkwfsd
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Edited by Grefa (03/08/15 12:08 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: Grefa]
#21377963 - 03/08/15 12:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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but then again violets pure bullshit, not substantiated. she's the doctor oz of the shroomery.
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: bodhisatta]
#21377987 - 03/08/15 12:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: but then again violets pure bullshit, not substantiated. she's the doctor oz of the shroomery.
What you mean?
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bodhisatta 
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: Grefa] 1
#21378033 - 03/08/15 12:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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notice how her tek claims potency? potency is genetic, it's related to which culture you're growing and your skills at isolating a potent culture. consolidation time is unsubstantiated, try it for yourself if you want.
the fertilizer claim is also unsubstantiated. and the vtek grows with or without appear to produce the same results.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21370876#21370876
she half heatedly conceded defeat but took some credit for answering PMs in the last few sentences. either way if you look at muda's tek you notice he doesn't claim potency or any silly things like that because that's completely dependent on your skills as a cultivator. cloning is easy and a simple necessary skill as a cultivator so a full on culturing tek all in one is eye catching to the noob but it's a skill you should already have if you expect good reliable cultures. there's many ways to do culturing even without agar so . same with yields it depends on your eye, if you can give them what they need, your fruiting conditions and environment.
which one has more results to prove it. that's how I chose what I want to read. Not the one that sounds like a used car salesperson trying to sell me on gluten free diets.
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Violet



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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: bodhisatta]
#21379608 - 03/08/15 06:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually my teks are proven to work. The grow's work, are simple and easy, and I show my yields. My potency "claims" are given using an isolate. If YOU claim that potency is ONLY effected by genetics and nothing else factors, then the title "Dr Oz" applies far more to you. There's lots supporting other variables in potency. Additionally, I never have once stated or even implied that the ferts support yield at all. In fact I would say the opposite, as I don't get lower production without them. So of Course it "appears" to perform the same with or without.
I don't remember half-heartedly conceding defeat for Anything. And what is that about "taking credit" for "answering pm's"? I have no clue what you're talking about. ... You're making shit up again.
IF you read my post again that you linked, without having that Bodisatta-iconic eye to pick out what you want to see (for purposes of troll attacks and slander) instead of what is there, you'll actually notice I said that tek is superior to mine IMO without my tek being incorporated into a whole methodology, such as mine for instance. I still get the same yield-per-grain as those bottles by watering instead of buying and preparing bulk substrates, and STILL watering anyway. So since I am so thorough with the culture hunt and test, I am better off using my method than bottles. The straight cakes are superior for me. How is that admitting defeat, again? How was it even a battle to win or lose?
So cool how you spend so much of your personal time following every mention of me or methods like mine to drag me down. I would say it's flattering for me, but really it's just pathetic for you. How odd that I even find your shit-talk just from browsing random beginner's bumped threads. For that matter, I don't even see why you'd bring that up. You're like obsessed or something. You never stop.
I'd like to know how this is relevant. Maybe I could make my own input instead of letting people who make themselves enemies do for me?
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: Violet]
#21383322 - 03/09/15 03:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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he does that to all his perceived competition V hence the reason he wont ever be a mod
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cronicr



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liquidclutter said: he does that to all his perceived competition V hence the reason he wont ever be a mod
any more crap like this will be dealt with right away, bod has already been dealt with
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: cronicr]
#21383451 - 03/09/15 04:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never knew mushrooms could make people so hostile. I'm at a loss for words. I wish you would ban them both. As an outsider looking in I'm tired of both of their BS.
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cronicr



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liquidclutter said: he does that to all his perceived competition V hence the reason he wont ever be a mod
any more crap like this will be dealt with right away, bod has already been dealt with
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Boomer The Great said: I never knew mushrooms could make people so hostile. I'm at a loss for words. I wish you would ban them both. As an outsider looking in I'm tired of both of their BS.
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Violet



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I have always been confused by Bod's hostility. I don't like responding to it, but I can't convince myself that ignoring it is the right road. He has been implicit for a large deal of the ongoing ignorance here about my methods and knowledge, and to give that uncountered free reign is not just bad for me but the whole community. I defend my knowledge, techniques, and especially my perspective; whereas I don't attack his, he attacks mine rigorously.
I'm sorry that your patience is tried by his posts and my responses, but please don't be disheartened altogether. If I didn't have to defend from him so often, the majority or entirety of my posts would be completely benign. Hopefully we'll be able to get back to that, and soon. Bod's posts otherwise are also almost always of good value.
I'm still curious what the mention of me or technique was that brought this on. I'd like a fair shot at an appropriate response.
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Re: popcorn tek epic failure [Re: Grefa]
#21383536 - 03/09/15 04:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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