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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #21355164 - 03/03/15 06:55 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

:takingnotes:

Posting to hear more about strains.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PanzerCubed] * 1
    #21355184 - 03/03/15 07:08 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

strains are the result of spores mating successfully. there's 100000000s of strains

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Grey]
    #21355202 - 03/03/15 07:14 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

:confused:


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Chem-4 OG] * 1
    #21355219 - 03/03/15 07:18 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

varieties are the names slapped on a syringe

strains are the product of two spores. a PF cake can have 100s of strains

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21355222 - 03/03/15 07:20 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

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bodhisatta said:
varieties are the names slapped on a syringe

strains are the product of two spores. a PF cake can have 100s of strains




That quote should be in the OP

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Chem-4 OG]
    #21355225 - 03/03/15 07:21 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

it's in the third post

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #21355227 - 03/03/15 07:22 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

:stoned2:
I need to chut up and read


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Chem-4 OG] * 1
    #21355232 - 03/03/15 07:24 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

:bonghit: before work

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #21355236 - 03/03/15 07:25 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

:getstoned:
This thread seems interesting.
get stoned then read this


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Chem-4 OG]
    #21355242 - 03/03/15 07:27 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

http://blogs.uoregon.edu/bi432/files/2014/09/Lecture-3_Basidiomycota-life-cycle-2-1bb9ivh.pdf

if you're not familiar with bio you might have to look up every other word though

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #21355359 - 03/03/15 08:03 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

I find that the importance of variety is overstated by most vendors and underappreciated by many TC's. They are important namely because of the care taken in advancing the line. That being said the line can break down at any point. Initially when a line is domesticated there are traits some tangible and some intangible that are being narrowed.  Later once domestication has been established the line can be degraded through too much inbreeding. This means that while cambodians may be a great variety for one person, they might be really poor for another depending on who they got it from and what the pprevious cultivator did with it.

The unfortunate fact is most vendors are looking for one thing when they are stabilizing their lineage. Spore production. Most other traits that are both less tangible and less important to said vendor are disregarded. This means that unless the trait is something easily observed like a mutation in the variety, they won't be looking for much else.

What does all this mean? Pretty much that with a few notable exceptions no one can definitely say if one variety is better than the other. Its mainly going to come down to the individual genetics. Which means agar. Because all varieties still have that base potential that all cubes have, it doesn't really matter what strain you get, you will still need agar to clone or isolate for the traits you want. Everything else will still be a roll of the dice.

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21357048 - 03/03/15 03:51 PM (9 years, 20 hours ago)

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bodhisatta said:
http://blogs.uoregon.edu/bi432/files/2014/09/Lecture-3_Basidiomycota-life-cycle-2-1bb9ivh.pdf

if you're not familiar with bio you might have to look up every other word though





AAAH YES THIS IS AWESOME!!!

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21359316 - 03/04/15 02:56 AM (9 years, 9 hours ago)

yes but it has a gene pool so they will look like same, not exactly the same but they will be similar. for example: if you are an asian dude and your wife is an asian too, your childs have some genes that every other asian have all over the world, but they never look exactly like you or your wife, it is something like that with the strains. If you are a black dude, your dick and your son's dick will definetely be bigger then most of the asians not all asians but most. So this is why strains are important, i want my cube from a  more psycho active ingredients producing strain.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: takofako]
    #21359341 - 03/04/15 03:29 AM (9 years, 8 hours ago)

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yes but it has a gene pool so they will look like same, not exactly the same but they will be similar. for example: if you are an asian dude and your wife is an asian too, your childs have some genes that every other asian have all over the world, but they never look exactly like you or your wife, it is something like that with the strains. If you are a black dude, your dick and your son's dick will definetely be bigger then most of the asians not all asians but most. So this is why strains are important, i want my cube from a  more psycho active ingredients producing strain.




but will not all strains have substrains with these qualitys?

so strain/variety may not be as important as finding the right substrain with them qualitys and that why agar and isolation or clone of substrain from any given strain is recommended.

but with PE the ratio of genes has been altered so in this strain there will be a higher average amount of potent substrains than the average cube

with the right testing eqiupment ect you could take any strain and improve the gene frequency over multiple generations to increase the average amount of potent substrains.
it just require lots of testing and moving the right genes forward for each generation as described by workman but is beyond the reach of average joe unless luck is on your side.

atm moment most selection is done by sporebanks in favour of printing ability and looks of fruit health but not clear goal or incentive to select for potency ect

oneday i hope someone takes a wild print and domesticate but selects each generation based on potency to increase gene frequency's rather than start with a smaller genetic gene pool that has already been drastically narrowed by selection of other traits. so in effect we get all the benefits of domestication but with higher frequencies of potent substrains.
now that would be a goal to strive to achieve that would make a big difference across the boards, from MS to isolates.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21359419 - 03/04/15 04:30 AM (9 years, 7 hours ago)

Nice write up i am totally agree with you, it can take years to isolate something demanded like green peas :smile: and we cant know will the results satisfy us or not


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21359533 - 03/04/15 05:48 AM (9 years, 6 hours ago)

I'm sure vendors care about potency too. People always say that vendors just breed the ones with the most spores, but I'm certain potency plays a role too and I'm also sure they try their strains. If it's a total dud I think they'd work with a different one. It's not like they don't know potency is important. That's why they advertise the PE and KSSS for example and many (even sponsor) vendors make allusions to potency by saying something like "for very relaxed viewing" (I remember seeing that about B+, I happen to agree). And about Mazapatec being "spiritual". In my mind that's a keywords for "potent strain". Or at least a spiritual experience. Even the name KSSS has "super strain" in it (sometimes super spore)


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #21359578 - 03/04/15 06:06 AM (9 years, 6 hours ago)

tbh i dont think any sporebanks will be spending money on testing potency of isolates to breed with at each  generation until they have raised the gene frequencies.

they will just prob use multi-spore from an isolate (that sporalate's well and fruits well) to sell on as not to bottle-neck the genetics to much or a disease or virus could wipe the strain away in the blink of an eye.

this way if anything goes wrong it back to the original print and find a new isolate or revive from culture slants.

this way all prints going out will have the same basic gene frequency's and keeps diversity in the prints allowing the grower to select suitable sub-strains for their grow conditions and not selected for the conditions that the previous generation was grown in allowing better results for everyone as they can select based on their own situation (i.e grows well in colder than normal conditions) and ideas of what they want and the seller gets what he wants a good printing diverse genepool producing isolate. more profits and less complaints

if culture could be sold legally then it would be a different story i think!

they will conserve diversity its a better business model and cheaper so is business sense :smile:

but there may be good guys out there im just speculating :thumbup:


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #21359581 - 03/04/15 06:08 AM (9 years, 6 hours ago)

I think your giving most of the vendors too much credit. There are some who put out a quality product and have real mycologists working for them but that is a minority. On the flip side many are just con men. Its a shady business that attracts a lot of shady people.

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21359590 - 03/04/15 06:11 AM (9 years, 6 hours ago)

:whathesaid:

yes that puts it in a better way :thumbup:


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21360258 - 03/04/15 09:47 AM (9 years, 2 hours ago)

My B+ are getting fat would that be genes or just FAE


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