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Hi All,
I'm South African, and I live in Cape Town, as I have done my whole life.
I caught the scandalous behaviour of our parliament during the President's State of the Nation address live on TV recently, and it scared the crap out of me.
It was the first time I have experienced a deliberate media blackout/manipulation and recognised it as such (it was pretty hard to miss, as the camera feeds showing the parliamentary session were cut so we couldn't see the police entering parliament, and the news peeps were howling over it)
I was thinking about the above again this evening and I wanted to know what the international community thought about the state of affairs in South Africa, so I started going down the google rabbit hole.
Not very far down I found this article.
Then on the same site, this article.
This one says our country is at stage 6 (of a possible 8) on the ladder to full blown genocide of the afrikaner people.
This is a press release by the highly acclaimed Dr Gregory Stanton made in December 2014
Then this article.
So what do you think?
I'm pretty shocked right now, so I won't go on for fear of getting mad at the situation and going on a rant.
Here's another one if you really want to see the current situation (as reported in the SA News).
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I glanced at those articles, and they seemed to 1. be from pretty pro-Afrikaner sources (Proudly Afrikaner DNA) and 2. concerned with individual events.
Do you have any sources that estimate the scope of the larger situation?
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Me_Roy]
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The best one I have found for now is the press release from Dr Stanton on Genocidewatch.net -- see the link in my 1st post.
The murder rate in SA is 31 per 100 000 on average, while the murder rate for the Afrikaner farmers stands at 120 per 100 000 in 2013 according to the institute for security studies. The Transvaal Agricultural union puts that stat at 130 per 100 000.
This statistic combined with the violence inciting propaganda from elements in government and also the utter brutality and savagery of the attacks makes a compelling case. You should hear the stories of torture and rape man, its proper sick whats going on..
I'll try to find the original statistics when I get online again.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Me_Roy]
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Hi guys,
This link to politicsweb.co.za shows the current situation in what may be considered a more neutral light. Can it be possible our police refuse to keep statistics of rural murders?
This link is off the 'main' news agency in South Africa, news24. Our government ministers say we should take race out of an issue which is about race-related death statistics.
The murder rate may be high, but it is the savagery of the torture and killing which is shocking. Yes torture. yes savage. Like gore movie savage..
Does this sound ok? What if this started happening in the USA, Canada, the UK or Germany? Would your government stop keeping statistics, and downplay the facts? What can be done?
What do you think I should do as a person concerned, with personal ties to the affected minority?
Or have I missed something completely obvious? I keep hoping its just a conspiracy, but just google :
"farm murder pic" and look at the images.
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Murder is bad. Racism is bad too. But it's hard for me to get super worked up about this with the memory of Apartheid as fresh as it is. Most of the perpetrators were born under Apartheid, and some probably grew up under it. I can see why they might be a little angry.
That said, I'd hate for South Africa to wind up like Zimbabwe.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Me_Roy]
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply Roy.
Please excuse me, but I'm struggling to understand your position a little.
Following your logic, could I ask:
Should the descendants of German citizens who lived in Germany during the Nazi years be held accountable for the crimes of the Nazi Party as well?
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Of course they shouldn't be raped and murdered. But Germany does continue its process of atonement through the present day.
But we're not talking about descendents here -- we're talking about people who were born under Apartheid committing acts of violence against people who lived through it.
I don't condone violence.
That said, if a Jew who lived through the Third Reich murdered a German who also lived through it, I wouldn't be shocked. I'd have some idea of where they were coming from. And it would take many such murders before I felt bad for the German people as a whole.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Me_Roy]
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Ah yes, I get it now.
What you say makes sense, Roy. Thanks!
I'm struggling with the fact that so far in 2015, nine(9) white farmers have been tortured and killed thus far (latest one: 03March). Problem is not all the killers were born before 1994 (see links in my first post). The hatred of the white man is being passed on to the children. Not good. And our government does not seem too bothered. At All!
I gave the murder rate stats previously. Remember they are not clear if that includes wives and daughters raped, children burnt (yes) etc.
Have you ever seen an old woman burnt to death with clothes irons? An old man beaten all over his body with hammers until dead? Or a Lady with a big broken glass bottle stuffed... well you get the idea. Or look at the pictures to see what I'm talking about. Google has them.
How many murders would it take for the world to start doing something? Remember Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Cambodia.
Does anyone think I should do something about it? If so, what can I do?
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Hey brotha. I know this is an old thread from the beginning of the year, but this subject is becoming more widely discussed, not just regarding your part of the world, but regarding every single white nation on the planet.
I am now a pretty strong believer in what is being dubbed white genocide, in every single white nation right across the planet.
I don't know the full facts about what is happening in South Africa, but i am aware of the shocking statistics regarding murder rates and crimes now being committed against white South Africans. Its disgusting.
I know here in Europe (and I'm talking every single EU country now) that we are being forced to assimilate with non white migrants from all over Northern Africa and the Middle East. With interracial interbreeding actively encouraged in certain member states.
I feel that the current refugee crisis happening in the EU has been fabricated by the political elite on purpose, first by creating complete instability in the Middle East and then again by doing the same in Northern Africa by taking out Colonel Qaddafi in Libya.
The end purpose of all of this, is primarily to flood the EU with millions upon millions of non white Northern Africans and Arabs from the Middle East. Which as we now see is a full blown epidemic, with EU politicians refusing to do any thing to stop it, even offering an open door policy to every one and any one.
This is also true for white Americans, with congress recently passing a bill to grant over 1.1 trillion dollars to be spent bringing non white immigrants from all over the Middle East in to the country.
All of this is being forced down the throats of every single white nation on Earth, under the false pretense of multiculturalism and diversity.
Have the native populations of these country's agreed or voted for this? No, it is forced by law and we have absolutely no say other than to assimilate and accept it and this makes it genocide.
I know in Norway for instance that they have recently implemented a policy to make 1 in 3 new workers in the country non white by 2021 and with immigration and immigrant birth rates at there current level, native white Norwegians will be a minority with in there own country by 2045.
Had a similar law been passed to prevent new migrant workers, that would have been seen as racist. Yet making the new work force non white is seen as tolerance and diversity that must be accepted.
Genocide on an industrial scale is happening right across the planet to whites and only white nations. Its time our race opened there eyes and stood up to the political elite anti white idiots, that are destroying our communities, heritage, culture and values.
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I don't know about genocide for this particular situation, but those facts do beg some important questioning. If I had my two cents in I'd claim it(the genocide you speak of), had to do strictly with globalization. Spreading the poverty out nice and slow.
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OysterKing said: Hi guys,
This link to politicsweb.co.za shows the current situation in what may be considered a more neutral light. Can it be possible our police refuse to keep statistics of rural murders?
This link is off the 'main' news agency in South Africa, news24. Our government ministers say we should take race out of an issue which is about race-related death statistics.
The murder rate may be high, but it is the savagery of the torture and killing which is shocking. Yes torture. yes savage. Like gore movie savage..
Does this sound ok? What if this started happening in the USA, Canada, the UK or Germany? Would your government stop keeping statistics, and downplay the facts? What can be done?
What do you think I should do as a person concerned, with personal ties to the affected minority?
Or have I missed something completely obvious? I keep hoping its just a conspiracy, but just google :
"farm murder pic" and look at the images.
This wouldn't happen in america, we have gun rights, there would be a race war. If I were you id buy a gun and be ready to protect you and yours. it looks like you are in a race war there, here in america the blacks are genociding there own people, whole sale, rite now...
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If that is the case, why is this happening to majority white nations only?
Asia remains asian, Africa remains African, yet Europe and every other majority white country on Earth now belongs to every one and in the very near future looking at the statistics they will no longer belong to us. They will all be immigrant majority nations.
If these people were being spread out for financial reason, i.e spreading out the poverty, why are they being sent to white majority countries only?
Japan is a very rich country, yet has very little immigration, especially from the third world and this is true for the majority of rich non white countries.
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Because white nations (your description not mine) are the ones destabilizing regions and displacing millions of people.
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And lol at the apparent prejudice in your argument too
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airclay said: Because white nations (your description not mine) are the ones destabilizing regions and displacing millions of people.
I don't disagree. Read my first post.
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You just think the powers that be are intentionally doing this to force multiculturalism onto the "native" white population in the west.
Lol
Lol
I can't even get any further. Why're you harping over race? Like oil, power and money have nothing to do with it. Why do you consider multiculturalism bad?
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Your post sounds like a lot of the drivel the hammerskins used to write and pass out in zines before we pushed them outta Dallas. You're just a few words short of calling for white power.
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I don't consider multicultralism bad. I have many friends from many different ethnic and religious backgrounds.
Your missing the point. OP's post was regarding genocide to which i replied and like a true anti white you have chimed in to make every thing about race.
Just call me a racist, i know you want to. That is the direction you are tring to head toward.
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airclay said: You just think the powers that be are intentionally doing this to force multiculturalism onto the "native" white population in the west.
Lol
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Yes that is exactly what is happening
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Bubbles, you make me 
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I know here in Europe (and I'm talking every single EU country now) that we are being forced to assimilate with non white migrants from all over Northern Africa and the Middle East. With interracial interbreeding actively encouraged in certain member states.
Where is "interbreeding" encouraged?
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I feel that the current refugee crisis happening in the EU has been fabricated by the political elite on purpose, first by creating complete instability in the Middle East and then again by doing the same in Northern Africa by taking out Colonel Qaddafi in Libya.
what nonsense.. what political elites wanted this crisis? How is it proving beneficial for political elites of Europe to fabricate this crisis? This makes no sense. Unless you are talking about the benefits comining to the far right - like the FN in France.. but they are not elites.
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The end purpose of all of this, is primarily to flood the EU with millions upon millions of non white Northern Africans and Arabs from the Middle East. Which as we now see is a full blown epidemic, with EU politicians refusing to do any thing to stop it, even offering an open door policy to every one and any one.
there is NO open door policy. Even Germany is imposing restrictions.
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This is also true for white Americans, with congress recently passing a bill to grant over 1.1 trillion dollars to be spent bringing non white immigrants from all over the Middle East in to the country.
what bill is this? you seem waaaay too fixated on white/nonwhite to pretend youre not a racist.
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All of this is being forced down the throats of every single white nation on Earth, under the false pretense of multiculturalism and diversity.
Have the native populations of these country's agreed or voted for this? No, it is forced by law and we have absolutely no say other than to assimilate and accept it and this makes it genocide.
This is not genocide. I suggest you look up the definition of genocide.
Airclay is completely correct that it is the "white nations" that have caused so much impoverishment and destruction in the world, destabilising and impoverishing, are you surprised they are getting some consequences?
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I know in Norway for instance that they have recently implemented a policy to make 1 in 3 new workers in the country non white by 2021 and with immigration and immigrant birth rates at there current level, native white Norwegians will be a minority with in there own country by 2045.
Had a similar law been passed to prevent new migrant workers, that would have been seen as racist. Yet making the new work force non white is seen as tolerance and diversity that must be accepted.
this is such a load of shit. The policy is to make 1 in 3 new workers non-white? what?
Often these countries have shrinking populations due to people not having children, and having an aging population. Sometimes you need immigrant labour to support the social security system in the long term. You keep breaking it down to white and non-white. but all your examples are not examples of genocide.
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Genocide on an industrial scale is happening right across the planet to whites and only white nations. Its time our race opened there eyes and stood up to the political elite anti white idiots, that are destroying our communities, heritage, culture and values.
ok ill do it for you..
genocide..
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gen·o·cide ˈjenəˌsīd/ noun noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. synonyms: mass murder, mass homicide, massacre; annihilation, extermination, elimination, liquidation, eradication, decimation, butchery, bloodletting; pogrom, ethnic cleansing, holocaust "a tyrant guilty of genocide"
Bubbles, you are a racist and clearly misinformed.
You are from the UK right? me too. What natives are there in the UK? Most of the UK has origins outside of the UK. This has always been the case.
do you support Britain first? those idiots.. even their people come from immigrant families. If you are saying its ok because they are white then tell me how you are not racist?
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Me_Roy's responses seem to have been on point in response to the OP.
this violence is clearly wrong, what happened in Zimbabwe was disgraceful.
Genocide? no. Killing based on race? yup
but not race alone. The position of whites in South Africa didnt really change that much Post-Apartheid. It is still whites that hold alot of wealth. Income inequality between the black and white is still shocking though is changing. Income inequality as a whole is more significant with the majority south africans being very poor, almost half under the poverty line.
whites have 70% of the land, still.
The South African government is fucked up, Zuma should just leave.
There are massive inequalities that remain to today and considering the abuses and inequalities of the past, violence comes about and needs to be tackled. But its not genocide.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
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"white nations' that have caused so much impoverishment and destruction in the world, destabilizing and impoverishing"
Do you ever stop with the "white guilt" nonsense? If it wasn't for "white nations", the shitholes of the world would be even in worst shape, BTW they destabilize themselves all on their own.
"sometimes you need immigrant labour to support the social security system"
More economic nonsense, please explain how unskilled/uneducated labor from Africa and the Middle East who can't even support themselves is going to support the native population? They are massive drains on the social services, they are economic leeches not contributors. 
Let's fact it, many countries in the EU are really screwed with these high Muslim populations, they should be deported before something worse happens. White Europeans are very nice and civilized until they are pushed into a corner, they will not lose a race or ethnic war.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
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do YOU ever stop with the white guilt nonsense? There is a difference between understanding WHAT has contributed to causing such global discrepencies and saying that white people are to blame and should fix those problems.
I used the terminology that Bubbles was using in saying "white", you could also say rich nations. Are you going to say i have..rich guilt?
Rich, developed, whatever - these countries have caused alot of problems. The global economy is one that primarily serves richer countries and puts poorer countries at a disadvantage. This has been going on for centuries. You may want to obsess over race but it is rather an issue of tackling global inequalities. I do not feel guilty for white people's actions, it is not me or my family. I simply stand with people of the world.
Yes what I said about immigrants is right.
you just reveal your deep-seated prejudices and talk in terms of black and white or civilised and primative. this is just so simplistic, harks back to a deluded colonial era, and is just plain stupid. what do i call your prejudice? Polish prejudice? No, thats simplistic and stupid.
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Part of Germany’s rationale for allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants through the doors lies in demographics. Germany has one of the world’s most rapidly aging and shrinking populations. With one of the world’s lowest birthrates, the country relies on immigration to plug a growing workforce hole. According to one expert quoted in Deutsche Welle last year, the German economy needs to attract 1.5 million skilled migrants to stabilize the state pension system as more Germans retire. An influx of young migrants could improve the country’s dependency ratio, a measure of those over 65 compared to those of general working age between 15 and 64. According to current official estimates, every third German could be over 65 by 2060, leaving two workers to support each retiree. from here
this thread is supposed to be about genocide, bubbles has derailed it like a boss.
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White Europeans are very nice and civilized until they are pushed into a corner, they will not lose a race or ethnic war.
LOL what?
i imagine you frothing at the mouth sometimes
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The report in the article is based on a study that is based on a theory based on "using generational accounting instruments" or pulling crap out of their asses. http://www.zew.de/en/news/2817/the-fiscal-effects-of-foreigners-and-immigration-in-germany Are you always this gullible?
Also, the rational for bringing in a bunch of unskilled/uneducated foreigners in 2015 is to support potential retires in 2060!!! You should be embarrassed to post such dribble. Anyone will even basic economic commonsense knows this wouldn't ever work, it's nothing more than pie in the liberal sky.
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this thread is supposed to be about genocide...
Genocide has many different interpretations. Often those that like to push guilt use a more broad one, like the first sentence in the wikipedia,
"Genocide is the intent to systematically eliminate a racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national group."
Of course with this definition, even the elimination of apartheid itself was a genocide...
What I take from this is to be skeptical when people use trigger words as microaggressions in a self serving manor to support their individual bias.
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yeees... and this isnt happening in Europe. no racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national groups are being systematically eliminated.
talking about genocide like this is relevant to ethnic cleaning in Palestine but not in Europe
Genocide is kind of a big deal, don't undervalue its meaning by this weak interpretation being applied to Europe.
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Europe? This thread is about South Africa... Take your Euro-centrism elsewhere.
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this thread WAS about South Africa, i have made comments responding to the issue of South Africa.
I suggest you read Bubbles's post to understand why we are talking about Europe. My point is that Europe is irrelevant to this.
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I may have widened the spectrum into the rest of the world but my point remains valid.
Sadly it seems that you are the one who is misinformed and i would expect no less from a brain washed puppet of the political establishment.
Genocide, as stated above, has many interpretations.
The United Nations Genocide Convention legally defines genocide as the following, falling into 5 sub categories as follows:
(1) Killing members of the group (2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
In our case section 3 is the one that would apply, “diversity or multiculturalism” that will leave native Europeans a minority within there home lands within this century is violating section C, therefore “diversity or multiculturalism” and forced assimilation by law is genocide.
This in no different to what we see happening in Tibet, with the forced assimilation being carried out by Han-Chinese immigration, with out vote for or against the policies in place allowing it to happen.
This is being done intentionally, leading to fewer and fewer Tibetans being born, making the Han Chinese population the overall uncontested majority in that area. That means it is a calculated plan to bring about the end of the Tibetan population which is genocide and that is exactly what is happening in Europe with mass third world immigration here. The same is true for the United States aswell.
Yet dare to speak out and oppose this mass migration of mainly unskilled, uneducated blood sucking leaches from the third world and you are labeled a racist just has as you have proven.
I said absolutely nothing even remotely racist in any of my posts, yet you jump on the the same old bandwagon and immediately go in that direction to prevent any proper discussion or rational argument being had.
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prove that multiculturalism is actually an example of no. 3 rather than just your personal skew based in race.
and yes you said quite a few racist things in your post.
take this shit to the conspiracy forum being as it's all you own personal racist conspiracy. you have no proof other than how you feel about those of other cultures.
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You bore me dude, your just another politically correct retard.
"How dare you say white or non white, thats racist"
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airclay said: prove that multiculturalism is actually an example of no. 3 rather than just your personal skew based in race.
and yes you said quite a few racist things in your post.
take this shit to the conspiracy forum being as it's all you own personal racist conspiracy. you have no proof other than how you feel about those of other cultures.
He did prove it, becoming a minority on your own homeland is the destruction of one's culture and country.
That's isn't a conspiracy, that's a fact. The EU has already shown the early stages of this destruction, even the major leaders of the EU publicly admitted that "cultural diversity" is a failed concept.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
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This whole white genocide thing is pretty paranoid and hysterical. It seems to feed on people's sense of alienation for other reasons in their lives. For example the percentage of whites in America maybe be down from 75% to 72% lately but the total number of whites is up 20 million in America. That is, there are more whites in America than ever. I think mostly a certain demographic of white people don't like the idea of plurality, most because, like I say, they are paranoid and alienated for other reasons.
Besides for instance Merkel has said multiculturalism has "utterly failed" in Europe/Germany and there are plans to stem immigration.
What about African genocide? Is Africa even going to make it into the next century?
I'm just saying let's be rational.
If you're basing your life around your race there is something kind of meek about you.
Instead of secretly thinking you are superior, try actually proving it with some kind of accomplishment.
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#22716574 - 12/30/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 30 days ago) |
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Tipote said: You are from the UK right? me too. What natives are there in the UK? Most of the UK has origins outside of the UK. This has always been the case.
I always thought the story of how the welsh became welsh was pretty interesting.
After the romans gave up on the isles, the native britons fought each other for control of the joint. Various groups imported Angle and Saxon mercenaries to do some of the fighting for them. The germans decided that they should just group together and take the place for themselves. They drove the native britons into wales and called them welsh which was their word for "foreigner" (oh, the irony!) Fast forward to hastings, and we see similar effects from Williams invasion from Normandy. The "french" invaders (Many Normans were of scandinavian descent, including William) held disdain for the language and culture of the english at that time
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circastes said: This whole white genocide thing is pretty paranoid and hysterical. It seems to feed on people's sense of alienation for other reasons in their lives. For example the percentage of whites in America maybe be down from 75% to 72% lately but the total number of whites is up 20 million in America. That is, there are more whites in America than ever. I think mostly a certain demographic of white people don't like the idea of plurality, most because, like I say, they are paranoid and alienated for other reasons.
Besides for instance Merkel has said multiculturalism has "utterly failed" in Europe/Germany and there are plans to stem immigration.
What about African genocide? Is Africa even going to make it into the next century?
I'm just saying let's be rational.
If you're basing your life around your race there is something kind of meek about you.
Instead of secretly thinking you are superior, try actually proving it with some kind of accomplishment.
"whites in American maybe be down from 75% to 72%" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
"Non-Hispanic white- 63.7%"
"If you basing your life around your race there is something meek about you"
They said "cultural diversity" if a failed concept, not racial diversity, big difference.
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You make it sound like they set up a completely separate state in Wales solely for the native's. Which is BS.
The first hunter gatherers to come to the British Isles, not long after the last ice age were not so ley confined to England, they spread right across the entire kingdom including Wales, long before the Anglo Saxon invasion after the collapse of the Roman Empire.
About 8,000 years before infact.
Whilst it is thought that alot native Brits fled to Wales at the time of the invasion, there foot hold there was all ready long established.
Whilst it is true that some of the native British genetic make up is a direct result of the Anglo Saxon rule, trying to compare events happening today with events that happened over 2000 years ago is rediculous.
The native British still have a majority genetic make up from the first hunter gathers over 10,000 years ago.
The majority of native Brits do not have massive genetic origins from out side of the country at all.
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Bubbles85 said: You make it sound like they set up a completely separate state in Wales solely for the native's. Which is BS.
i certainly didn't mean to imply that
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Whilst it is thought that alot native Brits fled to Wales at the time of the invasion, there foot hold there was all ready long established.
i would not suggest that wales was an empty place devoid of human habitation
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Whilst it is true that some of the native British genetic make up is a direct result of the Anglo Saxon rule, trying to compare events happening today with events that happened over 2000 years ago is rediculous.
is it?
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The native British still have a majority genetic make up from the first hunter gathers over 10,000 years ago.
The majority of native Brits do not have massive genetic origins from out side of the country at all.
in lieu of sources, i'll just have to take your word for that. It seems to me, that with a history that involves more than one invasion from the continent, along with a period of very intense colonialism, that the english would have a reasonably diverse genetic makeup.
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The diversity of the genetic make up in England is now very diverse yes, but that is a direct result of modern day immigration from the third world, starting in the 1960's.
Up until then, despite a percentage of Northern European genomes that date back over 2000 years, German/French etc, the native genetic make up of the indigenous population dates back to the last ice age.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
#22717050 - 12/30/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 30 days ago) |
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airclay said: prove that multiculturalism is actually an example of no. 3 rather than just your personal skew based in race.
and yes you said quite a few racist things in your post.
take this shit to the conspiracy forum being as it's all you own personal racist conspiracy. you have no proof other than how you feel about those of other cultures.
He did prove it, becoming a minority on your own homeland is the destruction of one's culture and country.
That's isn't a conspiracy, that's a fact. The EU has already shown the early stages of this destruction, even the major leaders of the EU publicly admitted that "cultural diversity" is a failed concept.
Exactly. There have been countless study's carried out, that clearly show that with immigration and immigrant birth rates at there current level, the indigenous populace of the EU are set to become minority groups within this century.
In the UK native Brits are set to be come a minority before 2070.
The current government policies in place that are actively allowing this mass migration, that will ultimately lead to the total demise of the indigenous populace, are a clear breach of sub section 3, of the UN genocide convention.
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ok im not sure quite where to start with all this..
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Whilst it is true that some of the native British genetic make up is a direct result of the Anglo Saxon rule, trying to compare events happening today with events that happened over 2000 years ago is rediculous.
yeh why is it ridiculous? it was demographic change through conquest and by natural means.
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The majority of native Brits do not have massive genetic origins from out side of the country at all.
thats just not true at all bubbles...
New genetic map of Britain shows successive waves of immigration going back 10,000 years
so when you say "native Brits" what do you mean exactly? Are you Celtic?
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The United Nations Genocide Convention legally defines genocide as the following, falling into 5 sub categories as follows:
(1) Killing members of the group (2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
In our case section 3 is the one that would apply, “diversity or multiculturalism” that will leave native Europeans a minority within there home lands within this century is violating section C, therefore “diversity or multiculturalism” and forced assimilation by law is genocide.
right well first of all i would say that percentage changes don't necessarily mean that white people are being wiped out slowly by other groups as you are trying to suggest.
Subcategory 3 does not really apply. people having babies is not an act of genocide.... it seems that subcategory 2 is more applicable because they cause you and qman serious mental harm.
white people tend to have fewer children, or you could equally say that richer families have fewer children (tends to cross over alot). Whether people migrate or not, white people globally will still decrease in percentage terms but it doesnt mean exactly that there are fewer white people! Its just a fact that the Global South have more children than the North. 98% of population growth comes from the developing world.
One of the many reasons I called you racist bubbles is that i imagine you are ok with white immigration but not any other immigration. Although qman thinks this is a myth, it is a fact that "white" countries are having fewer children and immigration fills the gap. Europe has a shrinking population from low births. If you have a problem with that then I suggest you start getting busy!!
The only person i've heard agreeing with you IRL is Nick Griffin and I'm going to pray that you arent THAT deluded... The areas of the country that vote for idiots like BNP or UKIP also happen to be in the areas with fewest immigrants.. which perhaps suggests that they go on more prejudice than actual experience.
The racial mix of countries and the world has ALWAYS been in constant flux for millenia. This is only going to increase globally. Climate change will be a big factor in this. For example - besides the Syrian war causing a refugee crisis (which is more of a genocide than what you are talking about)- the conditions for unrest in Syria in part came from the fact that there was a drought in Syria that lasted for many years before the uprising. This caused food prices and therefore poverty to spike. when people move to other countries and have children, this is not genocide.
Israel is in constant demographic war to maintain a jewish majority. Intermarriage between jews and arabs is not allowed typically, palestinians are having more children and mean that inside Israel, Jews will actually become a minority. "white" jews even force-sterilise Ethiopian Jews. Should we impose racist laws to resist natural demographic changes?
Large parts of spain and france (and many countries) are filled with white British immigrants. It's a global world.
So Bubbles, it looks like you need to start making A LOT of money to support all the kids youre going to have to change this!!
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ballsalsa said: I always thought the story of how the welsh became welsh was pretty interesting.
After the romans gave up on the isles, the native britons fought each other for control of the joint. Various groups imported Angle and Saxon mercenaries to do some of the fighting for them. The germans decided that they should just group together and take the place for themselves. They drove the native britons into wales and called them welsh which was their word for "foreigner" (oh, the irony!) Fast forward to hastings, and we see similar effects from Williams invasion from Normandy. The "french" invaders (Many Normans were of scandinavian descent, including William) held disdain for the language and culture of the english at that time
good post!
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
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That map proves absolutely nothing. All is does is confirm what i had all ready stated, that despite "some" Northern European genomes, French & German etc, that are in fact over 2000 years old, the genetic make up of the native population does indeed go back to the last ice age.
Thanks for posting it tho. It clearly confirms what i had all ready said.
Just because half of the population now in the UK have genetics going back 50 years from modern day immigrants, they think that England has all ways been this way. Wrong.
It also clearly shows that in as little as 50 years immigration has bought the native population down to its lowest numbers for 10,000 years and within this century the native population will in fact be the minority.
Thats 10,000 years of native ancestry wiped out in less than 100 years of modern day third world immigration.
Please explain to me how that does not fit with section three of the United Nations genocide convention.
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Bubbles85 said: You bore me dude, your just another politically correct retard.
"How dare you say white or non white, thats racist"
GTFO with your PC bullshit
lol PC bullshit, you mean the idea of not spouting racist conspiracy bullshit off as actual political conversation. I guess.
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Bubbles85 said: Please explain to me how that does not fit with section three of the United Nations genocide convention.
only if multiculturalism or plurality are seen as conditions of destruction. only if your aim is to keep a certain race type "pure". there's a lot of qualifiers that only make it meet your argument if you view other races in a negative lens.
and that's why your conspiracy bullshit is racist.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
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I'm well aware of the low white birth rates in the EU, but this nonsense that Muslims need to "fill the gap" is ridiculous.
Why do you think white birth rates are down in the EU? Because it takes a lot of resources to PROPERLY raise a child today and responsible parents don't want to have children they can NOT AFFORD.
Look at Japan as a perfect example, very low birth rates for decades now and they still have falling wages because of the slack in the labor market, they DON'T need a bunch of unskilled/uneducated Muslims to "fill the gap". They still have too much labor relative to demand, it's the same in the EU, they don't need more people.
Whites in the EU and Japanese in Japan understand that the opportunities are not there today in their economies so having a lot of children doesn't make sense, of course the Muslims populations really don't give a shit and have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
#22727479 - 01/02/16 10:40 AM (8 years, 27 days ago) |
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qman said: of course the Muslims populations really don't give a shit and have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill.
this is why your stance is racist.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
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Forgive me for wanting to preserve my national identity, culture and values. Forgive me for not wanting to become an English minority in England.
Both of your arguments are completely flawed and all you have to play on is the same old bull shit.
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#22727491 - 01/02/16 10:44 AM (8 years, 27 days ago) |
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qman, If I cared enough I'd dig through and find a quote here in another thread 'cause I know you've said the same about latino immigrants and black people. it's just a weird running theme in your opinions about non-white american cultures being less-than leeches on society. and you wonder why your arguments are called racist.
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Bubbles85 said: Forgive me for wanting to preserve my national identity, culture and values. Forgive me for not wanting to become an English minority in England.
Both of your arguments are completely flawed and all you have to play on is the same old bull shit.
So how are they flawed? please explain yourself a little more.
No I'm not the type to forgive exclusive nationalism especially when it's being presented as good theory and actual conversation. Instead of the thinly veiled racism it is.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
#22727533 - 01/02/16 10:58 AM (8 years, 27 days ago) |
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Because the only logical course of action "in your head" is to call any one who opposes you're views "racist." Its wearing thin and its getting old.
Try coming up with some points of discussion, as to why mass immigration is such a good thing, instead of just following the easy "You're racist" routine. It's complete and utter bull shit.
What I'm discussing is in no way propoganda or conspiracy. It's fact and its really happening. Try doing some research on the facts before commenting.
Oh wait, you don't need facts. We're racist, right?
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I did provide the point earlier though that your argument only met the requirements for #3 genocide when viewing it from the stance that multiculturalism or plurality are bad things and that other race-types not meeting your personal criteria be viewed in a negative light. Which you may or may not agree but it aptly should display the qualifiers your argument presents. (qualifiers meaning opninion and bias you've accepted as fact personally that other's do not)
Wait a second....is a different flavor of hostileuniverse or is there just that many of these guys online?
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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
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qman said: of course the Muslims populations really don't give a shit and have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill.
this is why your stance is racist.
Stating a statistic fact is "racist"?
Let me ask you, when a Muslim family has 8-12 children in the EU, who pays for it? It's certainly not the parents, nobody could afford it. What's racist about that fact?
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airclay said: qman, If I cared enough I'd dig through and find a quote here in another thread 'cause I know you've said the same about latino immigrants and black people. it's just a weird running theme in your opinions about non-white american cultures being less-than leeches on society. and you wonder why your arguments are called racist. 
Illegals in the US and Muslims in the EU are leeches, that's a statistical fact.
I'm sorry that telling the truth is so disturbing, it's nothing to get upset about, it's called reality.
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please present the quantitative date that would make the statement "all eu muslims are intentionally having as many children as possible cause the gov't will foot the bill" a factual statistic instead of your qualitative reasoning as seen through your personal negative lens.
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do we need to go over what "reality" is like we went over why common sense isn't common or shared; or can you just go ahead and grasp that idea. It's really ridiculous to wrap up opinions and present your own perception of reality as a factual standard.
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airclay said: please present the quantitative date that would make the statement "all eu muslims are intentionally having as many children as possible cause the gov't will foot the bill" a factual statistic instead of your qualitative reasoning as seen through your personal negative lens.
https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/pew-fertility-rate-for-muslims-and-non-muslims-in-europe/
For a group of people with little skills and education, and the inability to even take care of themselves, they sure have a lot of children.
Birth rates-
Denmark- Muslim 2.7- Non- 1.8 Finland- 3.3 vs 1.8 France- 2.8 vs 1.9 Ireland 3.0 vs 1.9 Norway 3.1 vs 1.8 UK 3.0 vs 1.8
It must be nice having a bunch of children they can't afford and just burdening the native population to support them.
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I wouldn't call on average one more child per family "a lot more", but ok so now let's get to the point where you prove that muslims as a whole are less than in their abilities to take care of themselves?
and remember quantitative data, no qualitative claims
I'm gonna skip waiting on you to answer and point out that you can't. Because that's a bias that you personally project. More qualitative reasoning based on generalizing whole races of people you don't identify with. I don't know what more it'll take for you to understand the racism here
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airclay said: qman, If I cared enough I'd dig through and find a quote here in another thread 'cause I know you've said the same about latino immigrants and black people. it's just a weird running theme in your opinions about non-white american cultures being less-than leeches on society. and you wonder why your arguments are called racist. 
THIS.
haha, airclay. nail on the head.
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Bubbles85 said: That map proves absolutely nothing. All is does is confirm what i had all ready stated, that despite "some" Northern European genomes, French & German etc, that are in fact over 2000 years old, the genetic make up of the native population does indeed go back to the last ice age.
Thanks for posting it tho. It clearly confirms what i had all ready said.
Just because half of the population now in the UK have genetics going back 50 years from modern day immigrants, they think that England has all ways been this way. Wrong.
It also clearly shows that in as little as 50 years immigration has bought the native population down to its lowest numbers for 10,000 years and within this century the native population will in fact be the minority.
Thats 10,000 years of native ancestry wiped out in less than 100 years of modern day third world immigration.
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The majority of native Brits do not have massive genetic origins from out side of the country at all.
so you didnt say this....? no?
and how is the native ancestry wiped out?? You still fail to understand that the Celts were the native ancestry.
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qman said: I'm well aware of the low white birth rates in the EU, but this nonsense that Muslims need to "fill the gap" is ridiculous.
I said nothing about having the need to have muslims filling the gap. I said immigration. Why is that ridiculous?
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Why do you think white birth rates are down in the EU? Because it takes a lot of resources to PROPERLY raise a child today and responsible parents don't want to have children they can NOT AFFORD.
Yes it takes resources to raise a child. do you think its only white people that realise that? There are plenty of white people that still do not know this most basic thing. The UK is the teenage pregnancy capital of Europe.
It is never just ONE reason why people have or do not have kids. In richer countries there is more access to contraception, women also work more so are having fewer children or having them later due to careers, people in richer countries also might be more educated generally speaking and for this reason SOME people arent having any kids.
In poorer countries, it is still a cultural norm (as it was and still is to an extent in the West) of women being baby makers. Catholic families have many children, why don't you blame the catholics of the world? In poorer countries, sometimes it is vital to have many children. Some die and there is strength in families. The occupied Gaza Strip is the one of the fastest growing population in the world.
these are just a handful of reasons on both sides.
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Look at Japan as a perfect example, very low birth rates for decades now and they still have falling wages because of the slack in the labor market, they DON'T need a bunch of unskilled/uneducated Muslims to "fill the gap". They still have too much labor relative to demand, it's the same in the EU, they don't need more people.
Japan is not a perfect example. Its not like they just think "oh it takes alot to raise a child so lets not have kids...". Many young people in Japan are not even having sex, let alone having babies.
About immigration (you are bringing in muslims here), its not just about labour, its also about demand. Some of the shittest jobs in the EU are done by Poles, Romanians, and this is just changing to be increasingly iraqis, afghans, syrians. All these people great demand for services from businesses.
Its sort of relevant but i thought i would share this here..
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/12/31/some-of-syrias-neighbors-see-an-economic-boost-from-refugees (i realise its not a clear cut case but its attempting to support my case that more people increases demand and that this is good for business)
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Whites in the EU and Japanese in Japan understand that the opportunities are not there today in their economies so having a lot of children doesn't make sense, of course the Muslims populations really don't give a shit and have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill.
The muslim population doesnt give a shit? you realise muslims are from every race, almost half of all countries on earth?
are you going to attempt to back up that statement that they dont give a shit and "have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill"?
time and time again you just show that it is prejudice not reasoned logic and evidence that is the basis of your opinions.
you seem to live in some kind of racist fantasy/dystopia fetish.
ANYWAY, this thread was derailed some time ago.......!
the point is that having babies is NOT a means of genocide. No one is force-sterilising white people so they cant have babies. the worlds people have many mixed genes. What bubbles calls native UK is incorrect. Even Margaret Thatcher had Middle Eastern genes. but even so.. its NOT GENOCIDE!!!!!!
What happened to Rwanda was genocide, what happened in Zimbabwe could be called genocide, what happened in the US against the Natives was genocide, what the Zulu's did was genocide, what happened in Haiti was genocide, the japanese committed genocide against natives of the islands, what happened in australia was genocide, what the turkish did to the armenians was genocide...
does any one need more clarification of how immigrants having babies is NOT GENOCIDE.
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[quote] Many young people in Japan are not even having sex, let alone having babies. [/quote]
Stop the fucking press! Please elaborate on this, I'm sure you have first hand knowledge of this, but some facts and sources would be nice too
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[quote] Many young people in Japan are not even having sex, let alone having babies. [/quote]
Stop the fucking press! Please elaborate on this, I'm sure you have first hand knowledge of this, but some facts and sources would be nice too
yeh its pretty shocking actually.
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sekkusu shinai shokogun, or "celibacy syndrome".
Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
Nearly 50 per cent of Japanese adults 'not having sex'
Why Are the Japanese Still Not Fucking?
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[quote] Many young people in Japan are not even having sex, let alone having babies. [/quote]
Stop the fucking press! Please elaborate on this, I'm sure you have first hand knowledge of this, but some facts and sources would be nice too
yeh its pretty shocking actually.
its called Quote:
sekkusu shinai shokogun, or "celibacy syndrome".
Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
Nearly 50 per cent of Japanese adults 'not having sex'
Why Are the Japanese Still Not Fucking?
They're not fucking because they don't see a long term relationship developing when they can't afford to have a family, they don't irresponsibly have children they can NOT afford like other cultures do.
My sister in law is from Japan, we have discussed this topic many times, they like sex in Japan, that's not the issue.
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looks like you ignored all of the articles i posted.
i never said people didnt like sex in japan, i said more and more people are not having sex, even young people. it is a thing.
its not just about money but that plays a part - of course. Its down to many factors, some of which are in the articles i posted.
I have japanese family too.
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i never said people didnt like sex in japan, i said more and more people are not having sex, even young people. it is a thing.
its not just about money but that plays a part - of course. Its down to many factors, some of which are in the articles i posted.
I have japanese family too.
It's mostly a economic issue, they don't date/have sex because they know that can't afford marriage and children.
"don't want the responsibility of a woman hoping it might lead to marriage"
Other cultures don't give a fuck, they continue to have children they can't afford.
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come on dude, just because its not economically viable to get married and have kids doesnt mean people will stop dating and stop having sex.
there are many factors at play here.
other cultures dont give a fuck? thats also very simplistic. youre going down hill, qman.
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there are many factors at play here.
other cultures dont give a fuck? thats also very simplistic. youre going down hill, qman.
Causal sex and having children outside of marriage isn't culturally acceptable in Japan, other cultures don't make a big deal about it.
They take raising children very seriously in Japan, it's not about just making a bunch of babies.
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there has always been casual sex in Japan. yes youre right that generally its not culturally accepted but that doesnt mean it doesnt happen. the articles i posted included married couples.
syes, culture comes into it too. you were portraying it as a largely economic decision for japanese but a cultural "not giving a fuck" for muslims or "others" so if we can accept its not as simple as that, then thats something.
the over arching point is that having babies is not a means to genocide...
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syes, culture comes into it too. you were portraying it as a largely economic decision for japanese but a cultural "not giving a fuck" for muslims or "others" so if we can accept its not as simple as that, then thats something.
the over arching point is that having babies is not a means to genocide...
But acting responsibly gets punished and having children they can't afford gets rewarded, that's not right.
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how does acting responsibly gets punished and having children you cant afford gets rewarded?
can you elaborate?
yes its not right if it is as you say but again, i think its a bit of a simplification.
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can you elaborate?
yes its not right if it is as you say but again, i think its a bit of a simplification.
The native population is shrinking on a relative basis as a result, that being punished. I don't think anybody wants a Muslim majority population in the EU's future.
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Bubbles85 said: That map proves absolutely nothing. All is does is confirm what i had all ready stated, that despite "some" Northern European genomes, French & German etc, that are in fact over 2000 years old, the genetic make up of the native population does indeed go back to the last ice age.
Thanks for posting it tho. It clearly confirms what i had all ready said.
Just because half of the population now in the UK have genetics going back 50 years from modern day immigrants, they think that England has all ways been this way. Wrong.
It also clearly shows that in as little as 50 years immigration has bought the native population down to its lowest numbers for 10,000 years and within this century the native population will in fact be the minority.
Thats 10,000 years of native ancestry wiped out in less than 100 years of modern day third world immigration.
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so you didnt say this....? no?
and how is the native ancestry wiped out?? You still fail to understand that the Celts were the native ancestry.
Yet gain you are clearly making statements to which you know nothing about.
The Celt's formed the people's of the iron age, coming to Britain from Northern Europe around 2500 years ago and nothing more. This clearly fits with my original statement regarding a portion of native British genome's being shared with the Germans and French.
The iron age came to an end in Britain in AD43, 43 years after the birth of Jesus and in exactly the same year as the Roman invasion of the British Isles.
The hunter gather came to Britain some 8,000 years before this time period, just after the last ice age and these are the people to whom the native populace of the UK share there genome's with.
Other than a percentage of 2000 year old French/German genome's (or Celts) as you keep banging on about, the natives of the British Isles share there genetic make up with the first hunter gatherer, as we have all ready discussed.
Please tell me how a culture of people living in Britain some 8,000 years after the first native hunter gatherer came to the UK make up the entire native genome's? They don't. They make up "some" of the native genome's and nothing more.
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Surprisingly, the study showed no genetic basis for a single “Celtic” group, with people living in Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and Cornwall being among the most different form each other genetically.
“The Celtic regions one might have expected to be genetically similar, but they’re among the most different in our study,” said Mark Robinson, an archaeologist from the Oxford University Museum of Natural History and a co-author.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry
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Isn't it like 1/4 Japanese men under 30 are virgins?
That shit is amazing to me. No wonder they have used schoolgirl panty vending machines and tentacle porn, they're more repressed than Mormons...
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[quote] Many young people in Japan are not even having sex, let alone having babies. [/quote]
Stop the fucking press! Please elaborate on this, I'm sure you have first hand knowledge of this, but some facts and sources would be nice too
yeh its pretty shocking actually.
its called Quote:
sekkusu shinai shokogun, or "celibacy syndrome".
Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
Nearly 50 per cent of Japanese adults 'not having sex'
Why Are the Japanese Still Not Fucking?
Well, it looks like the Japs may be going the way of the white RINO and pandas. Kinda weird but not unexpected.
This is really of no concern of course because as the planet is overpopulated anyway and less people mean less fossil fuels consumed. Seems like a win win situation. Hopefully the trend continues to other parts of the planet.
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a naturally shrinking popuation is not "being punished".
don't want a muslim majority population in Europe?
there is something europe can stop doing - that is stop fucking up the middle east so persistently so people can go back home. You can call it white guilt if you like, its just a fact that our countries add to this environment. Do you think the majority of Syrians WANT to leave Syria? Do you think the 6 million Palestinian refugees want to be refugees? It's not up to them and its certainly not easy.
if you are european and have a problem then start making babies. The thing is is that migration is a fact of life. All countries are in a constant state of flux with their demographic make up. It has always happened and will only continue. You consider yourself Polish or American now? Or Polish American? Do you even speak Polish? Are you Christian? This year is the 40th anniversary of the band Steel Pulse (check out this and this if you like reggae) who are lauded as BRITISH. They are Rastas who were born in Birmingham (which some Americans think is a no-go area for non-muslims, LOL) and while it wasnt easy for their parents at the time, these people grow up British.
While it is important to have open discussions about all these issues, it is a fact that islamophobia is racism and this can obscure the conversations we need to have.
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The Celt's formed the people's of the iron age, coming to Britain from Northern Europe around 2500 years ago and nothing more. This clearly fits with my original statement regarding a portion of native British genome's being shared with the Germans and French.
The iron age came to an end in Britain in AD43, 43 years after the birth of Jesus and in exactly the same year as the Roman invasion of the British Isles.
The hunter gather came to Britain some 8,000 years before this time period, just after the last ice age and these are the people to whom the native populace of the UK share there genome's with.
Other than a percentage of 2000 year old French/German genome's (or Celts) as you keep banging on about, the natives of the British Isles share there genetic make up with the first hunter gatherer, as we have all ready discussed.
Please tell me how a culture of people living in Britain some 8,000 years after the first native hunter gatherer came to the UK make up the entire native genome's? They don't. They make up "some" of the native genome's and nothing more.
you keep ignoring your statement which said..
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Where do you think they came from?
The UK is a group of countries made up of immigrants throughout time, like most countries.
The fact is, its still not genocide. Your case for that point is so weak.
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How are we going back 8 millennia and still using the term "natives?"
People have been migrating since we first became people and hauled ass from the African Savannah some 100k years ago.
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a naturally shrinking popuation is not "being punished".
don't want a muslim majority population in Europe?
there is something europe can stop doing - that is stop fucking up the middle east so persistently so people can go back home. You can call it white guilt if you like, its just a fact that our countries add to this environment. Do you think the majority of Syrians WANT to leave Syria? Do you think the 6 million Palestinian refugees want to be refugees? It's not up to them and its certainly not easy.
if you are european and have a problem then start making babies. The thing is is that migration is a fact of life. All countries are in a constant state of flux with their demographic make up. It has always happened and will only continue. You consider yourself Polish or American now? Or Polish American? Do you even speak Polish? Are you Christian? This year is the 40th anniversary of the band Steel Pulse (check out this and this if you like reggae) who are lauded as BRITISH. They are Rastas who were born in Birmingham (which some Americans think is a no-go area for non-muslims, LOL) and while it wasnt easy for their parents at the time, these people grow up British.
While it is important to have open discussions about all these issues, it is a fact that islamophobia is racism and this can obscure the conversations we need to have.
"there is something Europe can stop doing-that is stop fucking up the middle east"
Really? It's Europe's fault? No, it's the people that live in the Middle East that are at fault. Basically everything is justified because the West fucked up that part of the world, talk about making excuses.
"so people can go back home"
They would never choose to go back home, they know where the better standard of living remains despite the fact it's not a Islamic state.
"call it white guilt if you like"
It's always whiteys fault.
I agree the demographics change in a country, but flooding a European country with a bunch of Africans and Middle Eastern foreigners is NOT a good change for the native population.
There's a reason why Europeans have a low birth rate, they want to maintain their standard of living.
At a certain point Europe will not be able to tolerate the high Muslim population and something is going to break, I say start the deportation process now before something bad happens.
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Those damn Micks need to get back on their potato boats and go home! This is a protestant nation!
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Wait, what thread is this?
The left uses that nonsense argument every time this debate takes place, apple and oranges.
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This is really of no concern of course because as the planet is overpopulated anyway and less people mean less fossil fuels consumed. Seems like a win win situation. Hopefully the trend continues to other parts of the planet.
would you make that argument about high population if this was happening in the US?
you seem to make so many people face palm on a daily basis, youre a natural.
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People have been migrating since we first became people and hauled ass from the African Savannah some 100k years ago.
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"there is something Europe can stop doing-that is stop fucking up the middle east"
Really? It's Europe's fault? No, it's the people that live in the Middle East that are at fault. Basically everything is justified because the West fucked up that part of the world, talk about making excuses.
Well how can you really know that for sure without the fucking up of their countries from the outside not being there. If there was no intevention at all then maybe you could make that case.. but its not the case.
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some of course would stay, it depends how long conditions continue. its quite an assumption that no one would go back though. Syria was a prosperous nation before all this. With families in the West and if peace comes to Syria, there are big opportunities to rebuild the country by the diaspora. Identity is an important thing, its not all about standard of living and economic issues but with the right economic environment this could absolutely happen. Many Palestinian refugees would move to Palestine without a doubt.
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not a good change? that sounds like an opinion, which you are entitled to have, but it is not a fact. "flooding" has some quite strong implications, though absolutely there are unprecedented numbers but still a small fraction of Europe's population.
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There's a reason why Europeans have a low birth rate, they want to maintain their standard of living.
At a certain point Europe will not be able to tolerate the high Muslim population and something is going to break, I say start the deportation process now before something bad happens.
There are MANY reasons why Europeans have a lower birth rate.
If you had it your way you would be saying to deport all the muslims even if there was only one - "before something bad happens". LOL
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"Syria was prosperous before all this"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Syria
I don't think so, not even close.
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Anyone else notice the "cultural appropriation" double standards here in the United States?
Example:
When a White woman/man sports dreadlocks it is viewed as racist, as it somehow "strips African Americans of their identity". But when a black man or woman is cast to replace a white man/woman in a culturally white film, it's called "diversity".
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SpiritWorld said: Anyone else notice the "cultural appropriation" double standards here in the United States?
Example:
When a White woman/man sports dreadlocks it is viewed as racist, as it somehow "strips African Americans of their identity". But when a black man or woman is cast to replace a white man/woman in a culturally white film, it's called "diversity".
This is hypocrisy in its grossest form.
Well, the main hypocrisy is that only whites can be racist, or that "white privilege" invalidates any of the feelings or opinions of a white person.
The aspect that I find so ironic is these people from other cultures/countries say how bad white culture is, yet they come from all over the world to live in a white society and don't ever want to return to their homelands.
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Well, the main hypocrisy is that only whites can be racist,.
But, by Universal Law, minorities can't be racist. Period. Because minorities are minorities, ipso facto they can't be racist. Just like the Top 1 percent can't be greedy, because, well you know, they're a minority. I don't know how else to explain this to you. You either get it or you don't.
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Do you know anyone, besides eachother, that actually thinks that society thinks this???
"you either get it or you dont"
yeh i think you dont get it.
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Well, the main hypocrisy is that only whites can be racist,.
But, by Universal Law, minorities can't be racist. Period. Because minorities are minorities, ipso facto they can't be racist. Just like the Top 1 percent can't be greedy, because, well you know, they're a minority. I don't know how else to explain this to you. You either get it or you don't.
Don't worry, whites will be a minority some enough, but will never receive minority status for obvious reasons.
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is there a term like "white victim syndrome"? there should be if there isnt.
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Tipote said: Do you know anyone, besides eachother, that actually thinks that society thinks this???
"you either get it or you dont"
yeh i think you dont get it.
Stop flaunting your white heterosexual male privilege all in my face. It's not my fault I was born bi curious. That's right, I'm bisexual, which means I'm a minority. Privileged people like you make me sick, getting up in people's safe space for no reason.
Do you know what it's like being bisexual? I'm bullied and ridiculed online on a daily basis. I really don't need a cisgendered white boy trolling my posts.
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lol whaaat? how is that even bullying? or trolling?
you know nothing about me. i think you are great - i'm a minority too.
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you know nothing about me. i think you are great - i'm a minority too.
#ridiculouslyeasilybutthurt
"i'm a minority too."
Because you're French, OK I'm a minority as well being a Polish American straight male.
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Read the sentence again. It's nothing to do with being French.
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I fail to see how any one can contest 10,000 years of ancestry as not native to Britain.
Its widely believed that the population of Britain did not just suddenly arrive from Europe (as immigrants) after the glacial period ended.
They were all ready here, hundreds of thousands of years prior to that and simply moved south when the country froze over and became uninhabitable. As the ice age came to an end and the country became habitable again, the people came back.
In any case, arguing the facts surrounding events happening thousands of years ago like they are some how relevant to today's civilized world is still rediculous.
Its not relevant at all and arguing the fact that the native populace are not native, because they share some of there genomes with German and French Europeans as a direct result of mass 2500+ year old invasions is idiotic.
It has absolutely nothing to do with mass third world modern day immigration in anyway.
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the past is relevant to the present. migration is a fact of the world.
your point seems to be that if enough time passes, it doesnt matter anymore. So those god damn musliminians moving into Europe won't matter after a few hundred years, hey?
just as you say that people moved south when the country wasnt habitable, Syrians are moving north as their country isn't habitable. Syria wasnt third world.
For many reasons, people migrate. It has always happened and will always happen.
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Yes it will matter, because wiping out 10,000 years of native ancestry in 100 years of modern day, mass immigration, is unacceptable.
Not only is the native populace bread out of existence, the culture and every thing else that make's this country what it is goes with them and that my friend is genocide.
Please do some research for your self regarding when native Brits are set to become a minority. It's not to far in to the future.
Also throwing the whole Syrian war into this, to justify the situation surrounding the immigration crisis is weak. Genuine Syrian refugees deserve help, yes, as any one else in a modern civilized world would expect in the same situation.
However, it is a well know fact that most of the genuine Syrian refugees are not flooding in to Europe, they are in neighboring country's bordering Syria, in refugee camps receiving help there, close to home.
We have absolutely no clue where any of these people coming into Europe are really from. Yes they all say they are from Syria, but how can we be certain that, that really is the truth, when we know that a very large majority are now lying through fear of being refused asylum.
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When a White woman/man sports dreadlocks it is viewed as racist, as it somehow "strips African Americans of their identity". But when a black man or woman is cast to replace a white man/woman in a culturally white film, it's called "diversity".
This is hypocrisy in its grossest form.
What does "culturally white film" mean? Based on context, you're saying there are classic stories out there reserved only for white people to take part in? I'm really confused how this term or idea isn't blatantly racist in and of itself. Are you one of those folks that uses the term "reverse racism" or makes jokes about people of color having BET but there's no white entertainment television?
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i would say there are roles in film that only make sense with an actor of a certain race. Gone with the Wind wouldn't make much sense if you cast a young black woman as Scarlett O'hara, for instance. The Wiz might not be such a draw with an all white cast. To Kill a Mockingbird would be a bit jumbled if you cast a white man as Tom Robinson and a black man as Atticus Finch. There isn't anything racist about it.
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Are you one of those folks that uses the term "reverse racism" or makes jokes about people of color having BET but there's no white entertainment television?
BET is blatantly racist. The very concept is so obviously divisive it makes me sick. its like segregation for t.v.
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qman said: "Syria was prosperous before all this"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Syria
I don't think so, not even close.
what do you mean "not even close"?
did you read your link?
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However the GDP per capita registered a very modest total growth of 12% (1.1% per year on average) during the 1990s due to successful diversification. More recently, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) projected real GDP growth at 3.9% in 2009 from close to 6% in 2008. The two main pillars of the Syrian economy used to be agriculture and oil, which together accounted for about one-half of GDP. Agriculture, for instance, accounted for about 25% of GDP and employed 25% of the total labor force. However, poor climatic conditions and severe drought badly affected the agricultural sector, thus reducing its share in the economy to about 17% of 2008 GDP, down from 20.4% in 2007
its right that climate change damaged things a lot. It hit the agricultural sector, this was also seen as fuel for the uprising in part.
you seem to only think in terms of money. Sure, Syria wasn't anywhere near Western standards of living but compared to the region it had a history of relative stability. Yes there were absolutely tons of problems and political instability and invasions over the last 2000 years but it had a functioning economy and has always been part of a significant trade route in the region - thats contributed to why the war started - it is an important route for oil and gas among many other things. Governments even award certain companies contracts to rebuild countries years before they are destroyed (klein's disaster capitalism), there is always a possibility to rebuild. Syrians were often highly educated and in a middle class, when on their feet in the diaspora, I dont see a problem with rebuilding.
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i would say there are roles in film that only make sense with an actor of a certain race. Gone with the Wind wouldn't make much sense if you cast a young black woman as Scarlett O'hara, for instance. The Wiz might not be such a draw with an all white cast. To Kill a Mockingbird would be a bit jumbled if you cast a white man as Tom Robinson and a black man as Atticus Finch. There isn't anything racist about it.
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Are you one of those folks that uses the term "reverse racism" or makes jokes about people of color having BET but there's no white entertainment television?
BET is blatantly racist. The very concept is so obviously divisive it makes me sick. its like segregation for t.v.
There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation. and your second comment only proves the point.
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airclay said: What does "culturally white film" mean? Based on context, you're saying there are classic stories out there reserved only for white people to take part in? I'm really confused how this term or idea isn't blatantly racist in and of itself.
i would say there are roles in film that only make sense with an actor of a certain race. Gone with the Wind wouldn't make much sense if you cast a young black woman as Scarlett O'hara, for instance. The Wiz might not be such a draw with an all white cast. To Kill a Mockingbird would be a bit jumbled if you cast a white man as Tom Robinson and a black man as Atticus Finch. There isn't anything racist about it.
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Are you one of those folks that uses the term "reverse racism" or makes jokes about people of color having BET but there's no white entertainment television?
BET is blatantly racist. The very concept is so obviously divisive it makes me sick. its like segregation for t.v.
There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation. and your second comment only proves the point.
"post racial society"
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and you wonder why your opinions are constantly being called racist, you admittedly think an end to racism is a fairy tale while also constantly claiming non-white races are inferior mentally/socially/culturally whatever you wanna label it as.
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airclay said: There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation.
Its not racists to cast actors in roles that make sense, and not cast them in roles that don't make sense. for example, it wouldn't make sense to cast Denzel Washington in the role of Capt Marko Ramius in The Hunt for Red October. There just weren't that many black, russian submarine captains.
It wouldn't make sense to cast Whoopi Goldberg as Maria Von Trapp in The Sound of Music. The demographics of pre WW2 austria just didn't include a lot of black nuns.
It wouldn't make sense to cast Edward Norton as Kunta Kinte in Roots, because the character is a black man.
Now, if you want racism, look at what hollywood used to do. It WAS racist slap a lot of bronzer on Ben Kingsley and have him pretend to be an indian man(even though he did a good job). Same with Charles Bronson(though not the same kind of indian) Having white actors put on black face and play the roles of black characters:totally racist.
The race of some characters is immaterial to the story. For instance, it doesn't really matter if the Karate Kid is white, black, brown, or polka dotted. but it wouldn't make much sense for Mr. Miyagi to be an Australian Aborigine.
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and your second comment only proves the point.
You'll have to elaborate on this point for me, because i'm not sure i'm picking up what you're putting down
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The race of some characters is immaterial to the story. For instance, it doesn't really matter if the Karate Kid is white, black, brown, or polka dotted. but it wouldn't make much sense for Mr. Miyagi to be an Australian Aborigine.
LOL. i gota say: some good points, ballls!
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airclay said: and you wonder why your opinions are constantly being called racist, you admittedly think an end to racism is a fairy tale while also constantly claiming non-white races are inferior mentally/socially/culturally whatever you wanna label it as.
"Cultural diversity" is a failed concept, that's proven fact, so why does calling a non-racist world a fairy tale make someone a "racist"? Does that make BLM a racist group?
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airclay said: There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation.
Its not racists to cast actors in roles that make sense, and not cast them in roles that don't make sense. for example, it wouldn't make sense to cast Denzel Washington in the role of Capt Marko Ramius in The Hunt for Red October. There just weren't that many black, russian submarine captains.
It wouldn't make sense to cast Whoopi Goldberg as Maria Von Trapp in The Sound of Music. The demographics of pre WW2 austria just didn't include a lot of black nuns.
It wouldn't make sense to cast Edward Norton as Kunta Kinte in Roots, because the character is a black man.
Now, if you want racism, look at what hollywood used to do. It WAS racist slap a lot of bronzer on Ben Kingsley and have him pretend to be an indian man(even though he did a good job). Same with Charles Bronson(though not the same kind of indian) Having white actors put on black face and play the roles of black characters:totally racist.
The race of some characters is immaterial to the story. For instance, it doesn't really matter if the Karate Kid is white, black, brown, or polka dotted. but it wouldn't make much sense for Mr. Miyagi to be an Australian Aborigine.
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and your second comment only proves the point.
You'll have to elaborate on this point for me, because i'm not sure i'm picking up what you're putting down
Roots was a good example for you because the story itself deals with race. However it doesn't matter that there weren't black sub captians for hunt for red october, we know that systems of oppression have been in place for a long time, but today we work to shake off the old appropriations and understand that the race of an actor holds no bounds on his/her skill set to play a role. If we ever want even representation in the media this is important. Does it bother you that captain america is being play by a black guy? The point is as long as it's fiction that's not hinged on race itself, then the race of the actors in the movie matters not. Unless you're trippin over race and then that's sort of your own issue. (I loosely use "you" not as in you personally, balls but, as in a general "you" as the reader)
Thinking BET is somehow television segregation first plays into the appropriation idea but reverse, where a lack of representation for your identified race type is rubbing you the wrong way. I feel this is an entirely incorrect (dare I say white) way of looking at it. It takes no consideration for the fact that there is an african american culture which should be celebrated. I would not say that BET is perfect but, what can you expect from something owned by Viacom (a company that actively pushes cultural stereotypes as defined and accepted by middle class whites).
we 100% agree on "black face"
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"Cultural diversity" is a failed concept, that's proven fact, so why does calling a non-racist world a fairy tale make someone a "racist"? Does that make BLM a racist group?
show us the proof you hold that cultural diversity is a failed concept, please
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airclay said: There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation.
Its not racists to cast actors in roles that make sense, and not cast them in roles that don't make sense. for example, it wouldn't make sense to cast Denzel Washington in the role of Capt Marko Ramius in The Hunt for Red October. There just weren't that many black, russian submarine captains.
It wouldn't make sense to cast Whoopi Goldberg as Maria Von Trapp in The Sound of Music. The demographics of pre WW2 austria just didn't include a lot of black nuns.
It wouldn't make sense to cast Edward Norton as Kunta Kinte in Roots, because the character is a black man.
Now, if you want racism, look at what hollywood used to do. It WAS racist slap a lot of bronzer on Ben Kingsley and have him pretend to be an indian man(even though he did a good job). Same with Charles Bronson(though not the same kind of indian) Having white actors put on black face and play the roles of black characters:totally racist.
The race of some characters is immaterial to the story. For instance, it doesn't really matter if the Karate Kid is white, black, brown, or polka dotted. but it wouldn't make much sense for Mr. Miyagi to be an Australian Aborigine.
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and your second comment only proves the point.
You'll have to elaborate on this point for me, because i'm not sure i'm picking up what you're putting down
Roots was a good example for you because the story itself deals with race. However it doesn't matter that there weren't black sub captians for hunt for red october, we know that systems of oppression have been in place for a long time, but today we work to shake off the old appropriations and understand that the race of an actor holds no bounds on his/her skill set to play a role. If we ever want even representation in the media this is important. Does it bother you that captain america is being play by a black guy? The point is as long as it's fiction that's not hinged on race itself, then the race of the actors in the movie matters not. Unless you're trippin over race and then that's sort of your own issue. (I loosely use "you" not as in you personally, balls but, as in a general "you" as the reader)
Thinking BET is somehow television segregation first plays into the appropriation idea but reverse, where a lack of representation for your identified race type is rubbing you the wrong way. I feel this is an entirely incorrect (dare I say white) way of looking at it. It takes no consideration for the fact that there is an african american culture which should be celebrated. I would not say that BET is perfect but, what can you expect from something owned by Viacom (a company that actively pushes cultural stereotypes as defined and accepted by middle class whites).
we 100% agree on "black face"
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"Cultural diversity" is a failed concept, that's proven fact, so why does calling a non-racist world a fairy tale make someone a "racist"? Does that make BLM a racist group?
show us the proof you hold that cultural diversity is a failed concept, please
I could post tons of statistical evidence, but you'll just come back and say it's racist, or it's really not as bad as it seems.
The real "evidence" is public sentiment, three major leaders (UK, France, Germany) publically declared that "cultural diversity" in the EU was a "failure"!!
Also, having Trump number #1 in the polls also shows that this PC/cultural diversity nonsense is not favorable and is a failure.
Even the BLM's group might admit that the attempts to achieve "cultural diversity" has also been a failure.
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I disagree. Both stories are based on historical subject matter.
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Does it bother you that captain america is being play by a black guy? The point is as long as it's fiction that's not hinged on race itself, then the race of the actors in the movie matters not.
doesn't bother me a bit. we're talking comic books, not history.
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Thinking BET is somehow television segregation first plays into the appropriation idea but reverse, where a lack of representation for your identified race type is rubbing you the wrong way. I feel this is an entirely incorrect (dare I say white) way of looking at it.
first off, i am white. Second, i think you are misunderstanding me. I don't want "WET" or any other race based television. We don't need to label things in divisive ways like that because it only increases racial tensions.
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It takes no consideration for the fact that there is an african american culture which should be celebrated. I would not say that BET is perfect but, what can you expect from something owned by Viacom (a company that actively pushes cultural stereotypes as defined and accepted by middle class whites).
lets celebrate it on all the channels instead of just one then. lets celebrate some asians while we're at it
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there's been tons of evidence presented in this and other threads, the libs don't care, they've become consumed by white guilt to the point they can see nothing but minorities wronged by white supremecy, they don't care what the minorities do, who they hurt, they were wronged first and the white folk is just "getting what they deserve"
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I disagree. Both stories are based on historical subject matter.
that's a stretch. and elements of the narrative aren't based in race.
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Does it bother you that captain america is being play by a black guy? The point is as long as it's fiction that's not hinged on race itself, then the race of the actors in the movie matters not.
doesn't bother me a bit. we're talking comic books, not history.
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Thinking BET is somehow television segregation first plays into the appropriation idea but reverse, where a lack of representation for your identified race type is rubbing you the wrong way. I feel this is an entirely incorrect (dare I say white) way of looking at it.
first off, i am white. Second, i think you are misunderstanding me. I don't want "WET" or any other race based television. We don't need to label things in divisive ways like that because it only increases racial tensions.
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It takes no consideration for the fact that there is an african american culture which should be celebrated. I would not say that BET is perfect but, what can you expect from something owned by Viacom (a company that actively pushes cultural stereotypes as defined and accepted by middle class whites).
lets celebrate it on all the channels instead of just one then. lets celebrate some asians while we're at it
This is a misunderstanding of how television channels work which is furthered to play into the idea of just forgetting racism. One, that only benefits racist, secondly in the culture of whiteness we call america it would be a joke to expect any decent representation from black culture. One guy/organization/whatever started a channel one day and he wanted to focus on african american culture, there's no problem in celebrating that. a cultural identity completely bred from hundreds of years of oppression.
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we 100% agree on "black face"
i presume you feel the same about "white face"?
is this facetious or genuinely childish? Of course the idea of painting your face in a color and act the part of another race, any race, is not cool. "Black face" is an accepted term for what you described. It doesn't always mean exactly that tho.
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I have posted it so many times, you wouldn't accept the best "proof" because of your mindset, you don't mix primitive people into sophisticated culture, it's not PC to say it but the majority knows it to be true.
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secondly in the culture of whiteness we call america...

what is "white culture"? what is "black culture"? We don't live in Whiteland or Blackland, we live in the United States of America. Media programming marketed specifically to one racial or ethnic group to the exclusion of others is racist, segregationist, divisive, and counterproductive in terms of integrating everyone into American society. Why spend all of our time celebrating how "different" all of our cultures are when we could be celebrating the things we have in common.
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i'm sure airclay would agree with you for the most part. I dont think he was saying we live in white land or whatever. i think he was rather saying that our elites kind of brand america like that, and years of prejudice and oppression put that brand of america in the forefront of many's minds. Of course, that is not true America but that is the dominant discourse.
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Media programming marketed specifically to one racial or ethnic group to the exclusion of others is racist, segregationist, divisive, and counterproductive in terms of integrating everyone into American society.
hmm if it excludes others then it is divisive and segregationist. I've never seen BET, i dont know.
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Why spend all of our time celebrating how "different" all of our cultures are when we could be celebrating the things we have in common.
again, i havent seen BET so i dont know if they really do focus on the difference. I agree we should all focus on what we have in common. It happens that many black people in the US have a shared history, including oppression and slavery, but cultural influences from their heritage.
At the same time, there are many differences even within "black culture" so to separate those differences according to race is again, divisive.
It is truly a challenge in this world to create an all encompassing, inclusive representation of people and their shared human culture. The forces of division are well established.
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airclay said: so no proof, ok
That's a video of Angela Merkel openly admitting to the press, that multiculturalism is a failed concept and that third world immigrants, as a whole, do not assimilate into European society.
qman is bang on the money with what he is saying, Angela Merkel is not the only EU leader to come out and openly admit this.
Yet they still insist on shipping immigrants in to EU by the boat load. The entire system is completely fucked.
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That's a video of Angela Merkel openly admitting to the press, that multiculturalism is a failed concept and that third world immigrants, as a whole, do not assimilate into European society.
no one has denied she said this. this has come up many times before.
first of all, it said in the video that she was attempting to shore up her conservative political allies that she has a tough stance on integration.
secondly, she did not say "third world immigrants, as a whole, do not assimilate into European society" in your video, she didnt even say "third world immigrants".
the difference is side by side separation VS integration.
she said in the video :
"immigrants can help build a multicultural society by learning german"
"We should not be a country either that gives the impression to the outside world that those who don't speak german immediately, or who werent raised speaking german, are not welcome here - that would do great damage to our country. Companies will go elsewhere because they won't find the people to work here anymore."
she was calling for increased efforts at integration, which is absolutely correct.
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Yet they still insist on shipping immigrants in to EU by the boat load
Do you really think that the EU is "shipping immigrants into the EU by the boat load"? Because it doesnt happen.
Those are actually criminal gangs and people smugglers who extort huge sums of money/sex from vulnerable people for the chance to attempt the dangerous journey across the Mediterranean. Thousands of men women and children have died from the journey, in case you weren't aware. These are desperate people.
Refugee does not = economic migrant. It actually is a word with a definition. There are legal and moral obligations to help.
EU countries have individually set their own accepted numbers of refugees.
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She didn't directly say, that third world immigrants do not assimilate, but she may as well have done and that is exactly what she was hinting toward with this comment -
"This multicultural approach, saying that we simply live side by side and are happy about each other, this approach has failed, utterly failed."
After this her political correctness took over 
I mean lets face it, the vast majority "not all" but most of these people, do not come into Europe and instantaneously mix with the native populace.
They create there own community's, within European country's, that end up being dominated by people of only there culture's and belief's.
The natives move out and the immigrants move in. All most like a type of urban, ethnic cleansing and that is happening in all most every town and city right across Europe.
I can drive around every single city that i frequent on a regular basis in the UK "Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester" for instance and continuously drive in and out of areas, that are either dominated by a populace of native Brits, or dominated by a populace of immigrants.
That's a fact and that is why multiculturalism is a failed concept. Because, if immigrants really did assimilate, this would not be happening.
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secondly in the culture of whiteness we call america...

what is "white culture"? what is "black culture"? We don't live in Whiteland or Blackland, we live in the United States of America. Media programming marketed specifically to one racial or ethnic group to the exclusion of others is racist, segregationist, divisive, and counterproductive in terms of integrating everyone into American society. Why spend all of our time celebrating how "different" all of our cultures are when we could be celebrating the things we have in common.
It's absurd to think that different cultures don't exist.
The idea of beating racism by simply pretending it doesn't exist and that there aren't different cultures to be celebrated is that classic american way. This narrative only benefits the racists and those that would rather white-wash the world instead of having one where we can celebrate who we are individually and the diversities of our communities.
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secondly in the culture of whiteness we call america...

what is "white culture"? what is "black culture"? We don't live in Whiteland or Blackland, we live in the United States of America. Media programming marketed specifically to one racial or ethnic group to the exclusion of others is racist, segregationist, divisive, and counterproductive in terms of integrating everyone into American society. Why spend all of our time celebrating how "different" all of our cultures are when we could be celebrating the things we have in common.
It's absurd to think that different cultures don't exist.
The idea of beating racism by simply pretending it doesn't exist and that there aren't different cultures to be celebrated is that classic american way. This narrative only benefits the racists and those that would rather white-wash the world instead of having one where we can celebrate who we are individually and the diversities of our communities.
"where we can celebrate...the diversities of our communities"
Really, white people aren't allowed to celebrate their culture and heritage without being called racist today, it's only PC to celebrate a minority culture.
Also, why should I celebrate a dysfunction culture that is inferior in every aspect of American life? That makes no sense.
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It makes no sense how you can claim races you don't identify w as inferior and still be confused as to why're you're being called a racist. You can celebrate American culture, you can celebrate Irish culture, British culture Canadian Swedish Finnish whatever but there is no such thing as white culture.
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airclay said: It makes no sense how you can claim races you don't identify w as inferior and still be confused as to why're you're being called a racist. You can celebrate American culture, you can celebrate Irish culture, British culture Canadian Swedish Finnish whatever but there is no such thing as white culture.
"claim races you don't identify w as inferior"
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secondly in the culture of whiteness we call america...

what is "white culture"? what is "black culture"? We don't live in Whiteland or Blackland, we live in the United States of America. Media programming marketed specifically to one racial or ethnic group to the exclusion of others is racist, segregationist, divisive, and counterproductive in terms of integrating everyone into American society. Why spend all of our time celebrating how "different" all of our cultures are when we could be celebrating the things we have in common.
It's absurd to think that different cultures don't exist.
The idea of beating racism by simply pretending it doesn't exist and that there aren't different cultures to be celebrated is that classic american way. This narrative only benefits the racists and those that would rather white-wash the world instead of having one where we can celebrate who we are individually and the diversities of our communities.
Its absurd to imply that i think different cultures don't exist.
Nobody has suggested that we pretend that racism does not exist. But you can't fight fire with fire, and you won't overcome racism with racism. Believe it or not, but white folks are not the only people in the world who are racists. Furthermore, there are many aspects of American culture that preclude or preempt traditions of other cultures (including european christians). For instance, in America, the law requires that both girls and boys be educated. Parents are not allowed to mutilate the genitals of their daughters here. It is not legal to burn your wife/wives to death on your funeral pyre. It isn't socially acceptable to kill animals so you can read the omens in their entrails. Clearly, not every aspect of every culture can be embraced with regard to being consistent with the goals and norms of our society. Creating a separate venue for "black culture" or "white culture" or "beige culture" or whatever, can only serve to further polarize and segregate our society. People worked very hard a generation ago to end segregation in schools, and in general. Segregated television is a major step backward imo.
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You're still pushing classic American thinking around race. You say you're not trying to forget or pretend racism isn't there, however, in action and any furtherance of your idea require just that.
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let me pose a hypothetical to you.
let's say you are a bad person(not YOU in particular), but you have to pretend to be a good person in order to get along in society and accomplish your goals. So you pretend to be a good person. Whenever you make a decision, you first determine what a good person would do, then act accordingly. If you do this, day in and day out, your actions become indistinguishable from those of a good person. Eventually, you don't have to think about it anymore, doing good has simply become your habit.
are you still a bad person?
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I understand the hypothetical. But I disagree that it's an apt descriptor for the nuances of race in America.
Do you have an issue w Univision or telemundo?and pinning why not on language would be weak. It's a similar celebration of Latino culture.
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i'm not a fan. i think that the idea is counterproductive to integration in the U.S. same with the Korean soap opera channel
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So the idea of ending racism (narrowed down to our little TV scope) you're presenting here is to disallow those of non-white American culture their own productions but to expect or force the television productions controlled by white American culture to equally, fairly and truly represent minority cultures?
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"white american culture" "minority cultures"
i think you are missing my point, so i'll tell you a story that may illuminate it somewhat.
After Pearl Harbor, my grandfather's brother enlisted in the army. His father was very angry and asked him why he would sign up, and perhaps be sent off to kill his fellow italians. He responded by telling his father that he didn't give a shit because he's american, not italian.
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that's a pleasant story and take nothing I say in disrespect to those actions.
Following that logic tho america is not a melting pot of cultures? your individual cultural heritage ceases to exist and you're forced to accept mainstream american culture as your own. Should we take a minute to discuss who mainstream america represents? This is what I mean by pretending it doesn't exist or forgetting about it. It only benefits those who feel things are acceptable in their current state.
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you are presenting a false dichotomy. it doesn't have to be one or the other.
What happens in a melting pot? do things become mixed? or do they remain neatly separate?
just because i am american doesn't mean i can't eat lasagna on christmas eve.(or tamales, those tasty little nuggets)
Also, if you think being part of american culture means that you have to accept things in their current state, you are mistaken i think. Indeed, drastic change has always been the name of the game in America.
btw, this little debate has been a very pleasant departure from the usual vitriol that i see with regard to this topic.
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integration to what? the US culture is an assimilationist culture. it adds parts and changes parts of incoming cultures. Identities merge and collective identities form. But that doesnt mean the origin identities are no longer significant.
not that long ago the Irish were seen as a scourge. Now, things like St. Patrick's day are part of mainstream American culture.
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this is a nice debate 
Let's take tipote's point here and talk about St. Patricks day. I'm not irish nor have I ever been there but, I have a good suspicion that it's pretty equatable to cinco de mayo. These are great examples of how american culture white washes holidays instead of allowing cultures to celebrate their heritage. Is it done purposefully? I don't really think so, I think it's a mix of consumerism and poor education. This also pushes my earlier point of asking how accurate and fair do you think minority cultures in the US would be represented with out owning their own productions?
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airclay said: this is a nice debate 
Let's take tipote's point here and talk about St. Patricks day. I'm not irish nor have I ever been there but, I have a good suspicion that it's pretty equatable to cinco de mayo. These are great examples of how american culture white washes holidays instead of allowing cultures to celebrate their heritage. Is it done purposefully? I don't really think so, I think it's a mix of consumerism and poor education. This also pushes my earlier point of asking how accurate and fair do you think minority cultures in the US would be represented with out owning their own productions?
Yeah, because the Irish were so different than the native population. And no, that's not equal to some "cinco de mayo".
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The Irish are v diff than native Americans 
And you misunderstand not similar in meaning but similar in cultural misappropriation or white washing the holiday away into nothing but cheap consumerism. Not only that but you went a step further to display your prejudice opinion. By showing you equate Irish culture with one you identify and then step two demeaning the holiday of a culture you don't identify with.
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Let's take tipote's point here and talk about St. Patricks day. I'm not irish nor have I ever been there but, I have a good suspicion that it's pretty equatable to cinco de mayo. These are great examples of how american culture white washes holidays instead of allowing cultures to celebrate their heritage. Is it done purposefully? I don't really think so, I think it's a mix of consumerism and poor education. This also pushes my earlier point of asking how accurate and fair do you think minority cultures in the US would be represented with out owning their own productions?
Cinco de Mayo is (one of) Mexico's independence day. St. Patricks day is a celebration of the death of St. Patrick
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St. Patricks Day would probably offend the native 5th century celts (if there were any left) but that plays to my point. In america, everyone is irish on St. Patrick's day. (where i live, there are plenty of drunken mexican leprechauns on St Paddy's day) At one time the irish were treated terribly in this country, but now, we all celebrate the irish together. if that means that a holiday got "white washed" (and i don't feel that is the case) then so be it. As for cinco de mayo, I think thats it is pretty inclusive/tolerant(historically speaking) that we celebrate another country's independence day at all. I also think i is unfortunate when i see things like reconquista marches on cinco de mayo (which seems to be a relatively new feature of the holiday here in Southern California)
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integration to what? the US culture is an assimilationist culture. it adds parts and changes parts of incoming cultures. Identities merge and collective identities form. But that doesnt mean the origin identities are no longer significant.
not that long ago the Irish were seen as a scourge. Now, things like St. Patrick's day are part of mainstream American culture.
the culture of a nation is dependent on what is brought into it.
Very true. I just think that having insular communities within the U.S. slows the process of assimilation, and that culturally separate television programming exacerbates the issue.
like it or lump it, but Dora the Explorer has done more to introduce a generation of children to the Spanish Language, for instance, than all the telenovelas ever aired on telemundo. It might be white washed as hell, but it provides common ground amongst children from different cultural backgrounds.
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The way cinco de mayo is celebrated is def intolerant and I can't speak for the Irish but I know many latino's that feel this way. This is the point I'm making tho, it should not be a requirement to be american that you must also give up your cultural heritage in favor of a cheap consumerist joke. Let's not beat around the bush here and pretend that there is not an "american culture" that's not deeply rooted in consumerism. So when you force minorities to share representation with, or only be represented by american culture you are in essence making a consumerist joke out of real cultural traditions in favor of making americans comfortable.
edit: you posted while I was typing, on the other hand that is a good point those same latino's don't have much a problem w dora.
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How so? Common geography, common genetics, common heritage, and common religion. Yes there were some differences, but not much.
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because I meant native american as in "indians", you know, the only real natives to north america...
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It doesn't work that way, those were the original inhabitants.
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It doesn't work that way, those were the original inhabitants.
unless you define natives to meet the select criteria you're hoping for then yes it does work that way.
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Bubbles85 - It appears as you say.
Affirmative Action = Racism, wrap it up how you like it.
I ask again, what could I possibly do? Its the dilemma I face, as a proud person. Is this deliberate, or co-incidental? My mind says the former, my newspaper the latter.
We live in a conspiratorial world.
By the way things are hilarious in South Africa now.
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