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Re: Genocide? [Re: SpiritWorld]
    #22741384 - 01/05/16 07:31 PM (8 years, 24 days ago)

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Anyone else notice the "cultural appropriation" double standards here in the United States?

Example:

When a White woman/man sports dreadlocks it is viewed as racist, as it somehow "strips African Americans of their identity". But when a black man or woman is cast to replace a white man/woman in a culturally white film, it's called "diversity".

This is hypocrisy in its grossest form.





What does "culturally white film" mean? Based on context, you're saying there are classic stories out there reserved only for white people to take part in? I'm really confused how this term or idea isn't blatantly racist in and of itself. Are you one of those folks that uses the term "reverse racism" or makes jokes about people of color having BET but there's no white entertainment television?


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay] * 1
    #22741475 - 01/05/16 07:51 PM (8 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22742039 - 01/05/16 10:08 PM (8 years, 23 days ago)

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What does "culturally white film" mean? Based on context, you're saying there are classic stories out there reserved only for white people to take part in? I'm really confused how this term or idea isn't blatantly racist in and of itself.




i would say there are roles in film that only make sense with an actor of a certain race. Gone with the Wind wouldn't make much sense if you cast a young black woman as Scarlett O'hara, for instance.  The Wiz might not be such a draw with an all white cast.  To Kill a Mockingbird would be a bit jumbled if you cast a white man as Tom Robinson and a black man as Atticus Finch.  There isn't anything racist about it.


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Are you one of those folks that uses the term "reverse racism" or makes jokes about people of color having BET but there's no white entertainment television?




BET is blatantly racist.  The very concept is so obviously divisive it makes me sick. its like segregation for t.v.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
    #22742895 - 01/06/16 06:14 AM (8 years, 23 days ago)

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"Syria was prosperous before all this"

:lolwut:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Syria

I don't think so, not even close.




what do you mean "not even close"?

did you read your link?

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However the GDP per capita registered a very modest total growth of 12% (1.1% per year on average) during the 1990s due to successful diversification. More recently, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) projected real GDP growth at 3.9% in 2009 from close to 6% in 2008. The two main pillars of the Syrian economy used to be agriculture and oil, which together accounted for about one-half of GDP. Agriculture, for instance, accounted for about 25% of GDP and employed 25% of the total labor force. However, poor climatic conditions and severe drought badly affected the agricultural sector, thus reducing its share in the economy to about 17% of 2008 GDP, down from 20.4% in 2007




its right that climate change damaged things a lot.  It hit the agricultural sector, this was also seen as fuel for the uprising in part.

you seem to only think in terms of money. Sure, Syria wasn't anywhere near Western standards of living but compared to the region it had a history of relative stability. Yes there were absolutely tons of problems and political instability and invasions over the last 2000 years but it had a functioning economy and has always been part of a significant trade route in the region - thats contributed to why the war started - it is an important route for oil and gas among many other things. Governments even award certain companies contracts to rebuild countries years before they are destroyed (klein's disaster capitalism), there is always a possibility to rebuild. Syrians were often highly educated and in a middle class, when on their feet in the diaspora, I dont see a problem with rebuilding.

As i said before, identity cannot be underestimated.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22742925 - 01/06/16 06:36 AM (8 years, 23 days ago)

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What does "culturally white film" mean? Based on context, you're saying there are classic stories out there reserved only for white people to take part in? I'm really confused how this term or idea isn't blatantly racist in and of itself.




i would say there are roles in film that only make sense with an actor of a certain race. Gone with the Wind wouldn't make much sense if you cast a young black woman as Scarlett O'hara, for instance.  The Wiz might not be such a draw with an all white cast.  To Kill a Mockingbird would be a bit jumbled if you cast a white man as Tom Robinson and a black man as Atticus Finch.  There isn't anything racist about it.


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Are you one of those folks that uses the term "reverse racism" or makes jokes about people of color having BET but there's no white entertainment television?




BET is blatantly racist.  The very concept is so obviously divisive it makes me sick. its like segregation for t.v.





There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation. and your second comment only proves the point.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22743131 - 01/06/16 09:02 AM (8 years, 23 days ago)

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airclay said:
What does "culturally white film" mean? Based on context, you're saying there are classic stories out there reserved only for white people to take part in? I'm really confused how this term or idea isn't blatantly racist in and of itself.




i would say there are roles in film that only make sense with an actor of a certain race. Gone with the Wind wouldn't make much sense if you cast a young black woman as Scarlett O'hara, for instance.  The Wiz might not be such a draw with an all white cast.  To Kill a Mockingbird would be a bit jumbled if you cast a white man as Tom Robinson and a black man as Atticus Finch.  There isn't anything racist about it.


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Are you one of those folks that uses the term "reverse racism" or makes jokes about people of color having BET but there's no white entertainment television?




BET is blatantly racist.  The very concept is so obviously divisive it makes me sick. its like segregation for t.v.





There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation. and your second comment only proves the point.




"post racial society"

It only exists in liberal fantasyland.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman] * 1
    #22743630 - 01/06/16 11:21 AM (8 years, 23 days ago)

and you wonder why your opinions are constantly being called racist, you admittedly think an end to racism is a fairy tale while also constantly claiming non-white races are inferior mentally/socially/culturally whatever you wanna label it as.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay] * 1
    #22743839 - 01/06/16 12:24 PM (8 years, 23 days ago)

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There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation.




Its not racists to cast actors in roles that make sense, and not cast them in roles that don't make sense.
for example, it wouldn't make sense to cast Denzel Washington in the role of Capt Marko Ramius in The Hunt for Red October.  There just weren't that many black, russian submarine captains.

It wouldn't make sense to cast Whoopi Goldberg as Maria Von Trapp in The Sound of Music.  The demographics of pre WW2 austria just didn't include a lot of black nuns.

It wouldn't make sense to cast Edward Norton as Kunta Kinte in Roots, because the character is a black man.

Now, if you want racism, look at what hollywood used to do.  It WAS racist slap a lot of bronzer on Ben Kingsley and have him pretend to be an indian man(even though he did a good job). Same with Charles Bronson(though not the same kind of indian)
Having white actors put on black face and play the roles of black characters:totally racist.

The race of some characters is immaterial to the story.  For instance, it doesn't really matter if the Karate Kid is white, black, brown, or polka dotted. but it wouldn't make much sense for Mr. Miyagi to be an Australian Aborigine.



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and your second comment only proves the point.




You'll have to elaborate on this point for me, because i'm not sure i'm picking up what you're putting down


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22743902 - 01/06/16 12:37 PM (8 years, 23 days ago)

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and you wonder why your opinions are constantly being called racist, you admittedly think an end to racism is a fairy tale while also constantly claiming non-white races are inferior mentally/socially/culturally whatever you wanna label it as.




nail on the head, airclay!


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Re: Genocide? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22743931 - 01/06/16 12:41 PM (8 years, 23 days ago)

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The race of some characters is immaterial to the story.  For instance, it doesn't really matter if the Karate Kid is white, black, brown, or polka dotted. but it wouldn't make much sense for Mr. Miyagi to be an Australian Aborigine.




LOL. i gota say: some good points, ballls!


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22744360 - 01/06/16 02:16 PM (8 years, 23 days ago)

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and you wonder why your opinions are constantly being called racist, you admittedly think an end to racism is a fairy tale while also constantly claiming non-white races are inferior mentally/socially/culturally whatever you wanna label it as.




"Cultural diversity" is a failed concept, that's proven fact, so why does calling a non-racist world a fairy tale make someone a "racist"?  Does that make BLM a racist group?


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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman] * 1
    #22747980 - 01/07/16 11:19 AM (8 years, 22 days ago)

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There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation.




Its not racists to cast actors in roles that make sense, and not cast them in roles that don't make sense.
for example, it wouldn't make sense to cast Denzel Washington in the role of Capt Marko Ramius in The Hunt for Red October.  There just weren't that many black, russian submarine captains.

It wouldn't make sense to cast Whoopi Goldberg as Maria Von Trapp in The Sound of Music.  The demographics of pre WW2 austria just didn't include a lot of black nuns.

It wouldn't make sense to cast Edward Norton as Kunta Kinte in Roots, because the character is a black man.

Now, if you want racism, look at what hollywood used to do.  It WAS racist slap a lot of bronzer on Ben Kingsley and have him pretend to be an indian man(even though he did a good job). Same with Charles Bronson(though not the same kind of indian)
Having white actors put on black face and play the roles of black characters:totally racist.

The race of some characters is immaterial to the story.  For instance, it doesn't really matter if the Karate Kid is white, black, brown, or polka dotted. but it wouldn't make much sense for Mr. Miyagi to be an Australian Aborigine.



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and your second comment only proves the point.




You'll have to elaborate on this point for me, because i'm not sure i'm picking up what you're putting down




Roots was a good example for you because the story itself deals with race. However it doesn't matter that there weren't black sub captians for hunt for red october, we know that systems of oppression have been in place for a long time, but today we work to shake off the old appropriations and understand that the race of an actor holds no bounds on his/her skill set to play a role. If we ever want even representation in the media this is important. Does it bother you that captain america is being play by a black guy? The point is as long as it's fiction that's not hinged on race itself, then the race of the actors in the movie matters not. Unless you're trippin over race and then that's sort of your own issue. (I loosely use "you" not as in you personally, balls but, as in a general "you" as the reader)

Thinking BET is somehow television segregation first plays into the appropriation idea but reverse, where a lack of representation for your identified race type is rubbing you the wrong way. I feel this is an entirely incorrect (dare I say white) way of looking at it. It takes no consideration for the fact that there is an african american culture which should be celebrated. I would not say that BET is perfect but, what can you expect from something owned by Viacom (a company that actively pushes cultural stereotypes as defined and accepted by middle class whites).

we 100% agree on "black face"


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and you wonder why your opinions are constantly being called racist, you admittedly think an end to racism is a fairy tale while also constantly claiming non-white races are inferior mentally/socially/culturally whatever you wanna label it as.




"Cultural diversity" is a failed concept, that's proven fact, so why does calling a non-racist world a fairy tale make someone a "racist"?  Does that make BLM a racist group?




show us the proof you hold that cultural diversity is a failed concept, please


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22748217 - 01/07/16 12:35 PM (8 years, 22 days ago)

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airclay said:
There is something racist about it tho, that's the idea of ingrained cultural racism. To work towards a post-racial society you'll have to shed the chains of appropriation.




Its not racists to cast actors in roles that make sense, and not cast them in roles that don't make sense.
for example, it wouldn't make sense to cast Denzel Washington in the role of Capt Marko Ramius in The Hunt for Red October.  There just weren't that many black, russian submarine captains.

It wouldn't make sense to cast Whoopi Goldberg as Maria Von Trapp in The Sound of Music.  The demographics of pre WW2 austria just didn't include a lot of black nuns.

It wouldn't make sense to cast Edward Norton as Kunta Kinte in Roots, because the character is a black man.

Now, if you want racism, look at what hollywood used to do.  It WAS racist slap a lot of bronzer on Ben Kingsley and have him pretend to be an indian man(even though he did a good job). Same with Charles Bronson(though not the same kind of indian)
Having white actors put on black face and play the roles of black characters:totally racist.

The race of some characters is immaterial to the story.  For instance, it doesn't really matter if the Karate Kid is white, black, brown, or polka dotted. but it wouldn't make much sense for Mr. Miyagi to be an Australian Aborigine.



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and your second comment only proves the point.




You'll have to elaborate on this point for me, because i'm not sure i'm picking up what you're putting down




Roots was a good example for you because the story itself deals with race. However it doesn't matter that there weren't black sub captians for hunt for red october, we know that systems of oppression have been in place for a long time, but today we work to shake off the old appropriations and understand that the race of an actor holds no bounds on his/her skill set to play a role. If we ever want even representation in the media this is important. Does it bother you that captain america is being play by a black guy? The point is as long as it's fiction that's not hinged on race itself, then the race of the actors in the movie matters not. Unless you're trippin over race and then that's sort of your own issue. (I loosely use "you" not as in you personally, balls but, as in a general "you" as the reader)

Thinking BET is somehow television segregation first plays into the appropriation idea but reverse, where a lack of representation for your identified race type is rubbing you the wrong way. I feel this is an entirely incorrect (dare I say white) way of looking at it. It takes no consideration for the fact that there is an african american culture which should be celebrated. I would not say that BET is perfect but, what can you expect from something owned by Viacom (a company that actively pushes cultural stereotypes as defined and accepted by middle class whites).

we 100% agree on "black face"


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and you wonder why your opinions are constantly being called racist, you admittedly think an end to racism is a fairy tale while also constantly claiming non-white races are inferior mentally/socially/culturally whatever you wanna label it as.




"Cultural diversity" is a failed concept, that's proven fact, so why does calling a non-racist world a fairy tale make someone a "racist"?  Does that make BLM a racist group?




show us the proof you hold that cultural diversity is a failed concept, please




I could post tons of statistical evidence, but you'll just come back and say it's racist, or it's really not as bad as it seems.

The real "evidence" is public sentiment, three major leaders (UK, France, Germany) publically declared that "cultural diversity" in the EU was a "failure"!!

Also, having Trump number #1 in the polls also shows that this PC/cultural diversity nonsense is not favorable and is a failure.

Even the BLM's group might admit that the attempts to achieve "cultural diversity" has also been a failure.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman] * 1
    #22749274 - 01/07/16 04:58 PM (8 years, 22 days ago)

so no proof, ok


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22749402 - 01/07/16 05:33 PM (8 years, 22 days ago)

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Roots was a good example for you because the story itself deals with race. However it doesn't matter that there weren't black sub captians for hunt for red october
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I disagree. Both stories are based on historical subject matter.

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Does it bother you that captain america is being play by a black guy? The point is as long as it's fiction that's not hinged on race itself, then the race of the actors in the movie matters not.




doesn't bother me a bit.  we're talking comic books, not history.

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Thinking BET is somehow television segregation first plays into the appropriation idea but reverse, where a lack of representation for your identified race type is rubbing you the wrong way. I feel this is an entirely incorrect (dare I say white) way of looking at it.




first off, i am white.  Second, i think you are misunderstanding me.  I don't want "WET" or any other race based television.  We don't need to label things in divisive ways like that because it only increases racial tensions.

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It takes no consideration for the fact that there is an african american culture which should be celebrated. I would not say that BET is perfect but, what can you expect from something owned by Viacom (a company that actively pushes cultural stereotypes as defined and accepted by middle class whites).




lets celebrate it on all the channels instead of just one then.  lets celebrate some asians while we're at it

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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22749405 - 01/07/16 05:34 PM (8 years, 22 days ago)

there's been tons of evidence presented in this and other threads, the libs don't care, they've become consumed by white guilt to the point they can see nothing but minorities wronged by white supremecy, they don't care what the minorities do, who they hurt, they were wronged first and the white folk is just "getting what they deserve"


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Re: Genocide? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22749453 - 01/07/16 05:50 PM (8 years, 22 days ago)

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Roots was a good example for you because the story itself deals with race. However it doesn't matter that there weren't black sub captians for hunt for red october
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I disagree. Both stories are based on historical subject matter.

that's a stretch. and elements of the narrative aren't based in race.

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Does it bother you that captain america is being play by a black guy? The point is as long as it's fiction that's not hinged on race itself, then the race of the actors in the movie matters not.




doesn't bother me a bit.  we're talking comic books, not history.

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Thinking BET is somehow television segregation first plays into the appropriation idea but reverse, where a lack of representation for your identified race type is rubbing you the wrong way. I feel this is an entirely incorrect (dare I say white) way of looking at it.




first off, i am white.  Second, i think you are misunderstanding me.  I don't want "WET" or any other race based television.  We don't need to label things in divisive ways like that because it only increases racial tensions.


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It takes no consideration for the fact that there is an african american culture which should be celebrated. I would not say that BET is perfect but, what can you expect from something owned by Viacom (a company that actively pushes cultural stereotypes as defined and accepted by middle class whites).




lets celebrate it on all the channels instead of just one then.  lets celebrate some asians while we're at it

This is a misunderstanding of how television channels work which is furthered to play into the idea of just forgetting racism. One, that only benefits racist, secondly in the culture of whiteness we call america it would be a joke to expect any decent representation from black culture. One guy/organization/whatever started a channel one day and he wanted to focus on african american culture, there's no problem in celebrating that. a cultural identity completely bred from hundreds of years of oppression.

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we 100% agree on "black face"




i presume you feel the same about "white face"?




is this facetious or genuinely childish? Of course the idea of painting your face in a color and act the part of another race, any race, is not cool. "Black face" is an accepted term for what you described. It doesn't always mean exactly that tho.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22750033 - 01/07/16 08:34 PM (8 years, 22 days ago)

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there's been tons of evidence presented in this and other threads, the libs don't care, they've become consumed by white guilt to the point they can see nothing but minorities wronged by white supremecy, they don't care what the minorities do, who they hurt, they were wronged first and the white folk is just "getting what they deserve"




Oh my lord, could you please STOP THE STRAW MAN arguments???  It's REALLY getting old.  :shake:


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22750048 - 01/07/16 08:37 PM (8 years, 22 days ago)

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so no proof, ok




I have posted it so many times, you wouldn't accept the best "proof" because of your mindset, you don't mix primitive people into sophisticated culture, it's not PC to say it but the majority knows it to be true. :shrug:


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22750516 - 01/07/16 10:15 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

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secondly in the culture of whiteness we call america...




:picard:

what is "white culture"? what is "black culture"?  We don't live in Whiteland or Blackland, we live in the United States of America.  Media programming marketed specifically to one racial or ethnic group to the exclusion of others is racist, segregationist, divisive, and counterproductive in terms of integrating everyone into American society.  Why spend all of our time celebrating how "different" all of our cultures are when we could be celebrating the things we have in common.


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