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Re: Genocide? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22727344 - 01/02/16 09:54 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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I always thought the story of how the welsh became welsh was pretty interesting.

After the romans gave up on the isles, the native britons fought each other for control of the joint.  Various groups imported Angle and Saxon mercenaries to do some of the fighting for them.  The germans decided that they should just group together and take the place for themselves.  They drove the native britons into wales and called them welsh which was their word for "foreigner" (oh, the irony!)  Fast forward to hastings, and we see similar effects from Williams invasion from Normandy. The "french" invaders (Many Normans were of scandinavian descent, including William) held disdain for the language and culture of the english at that time




good post!

yeh man its really interesting stuff.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
    #22727364 - 01/02/16 10:00 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

That map proves absolutely nothing. All is does is confirm what i had all ready stated, that despite "some" Northern European genomes, French & German etc, that are in fact over 2000 years old, the genetic make up of the native population does indeed go back to the last ice age.

Thanks for posting it tho. It clearly confirms what i had all ready said.

Just because half of the population now in the UK have genetics going back 50 years from modern day immigrants, they think that England has all ways been this way. Wrong.

It also clearly shows that in as little as 50 years immigration has bought the native population down to its lowest numbers for 10,000 years and within this century the native population will in fact be the minority.

Thats 10,000 years of native ancestry wiped out in less than 100 years of modern day third world immigration.

Please explain to me how that does not fit with section three of the United Nations genocide convention.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Bubbles85]
    #22727449 - 01/02/16 10:29 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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You bore me dude, your just another politically correct retard.

"How dare you say white or non white, thats racist"

GTFO with your PC bullshit





lol PC bullshit, you mean the idea of not spouting racist conspiracy bullshit off as actual political conversation. I guess.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay] * 1
    #22727460 - 01/02/16 10:33 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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Please explain to me how that does not fit with section three of the United Nations genocide convention.





only if multiculturalism or plurality are seen as conditions of destruction. only if your aim is to keep a certain race type "pure". there's a lot of qualifiers that only make it meet your argument if you view other races in a negative lens.

and that's why your conspiracy bullshit is racist.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
    #22727473 - 01/02/16 10:37 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

I'm well aware of the low white birth rates in the EU, but this nonsense that Muslims need to "fill the gap" is ridiculous.

Why do you think white birth rates are down in the EU?  Because it takes a lot of resources to PROPERLY raise a child today and responsible parents don't want to have children they can NOT AFFORD.

Look at Japan as a perfect example, very low birth rates for decades now and they still have falling wages because of the slack in the labor market, they DON'T need a bunch of unskilled/uneducated Muslims to "fill the gap". :facepalm: They still have too much labor relative to demand, it's the same in the EU, they don't need more people.

Whites in the EU and Japanese in Japan understand that the opportunities are not there today in their economies so having a lot of children doesn't make sense, of course the Muslims populations really don't give a shit and have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
    #22727479 - 01/02/16 10:40 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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of course the Muslims populations really don't give a shit and have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill.





this is why your stance is racist.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22727480 - 01/02/16 10:40 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

Forgive me for wanting to preserve my national identity, culture and values. Forgive me for not wanting to become an English minority in England.

Both of your arguments are completely flawed and all you have to play on is the same old bull shit.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay] * 1
    #22727491 - 01/02/16 10:44 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

qman, If I cared enough I'd dig through and find a quote here in another thread 'cause I know you've said the same about latino immigrants and black people. it's just a weird running theme in your opinions about non-white american cultures being less-than leeches on society. and you wonder why your arguments are called racist. :shrug:


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Bubbles85]
    #22727502 - 01/02/16 10:48 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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Forgive me for wanting to preserve my national identity, culture and values. Forgive me for not wanting to become an English minority in England.

Both of your arguments are completely flawed and all you have to play on is the same old bull shit.





So how are they flawed? please explain yourself a little more.

No I'm not the type to forgive exclusive nationalism especially when it's being presented as good theory and actual conversation. Instead of the thinly veiled racism it is.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22727533 - 01/02/16 10:58 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

Because the only logical course of action "in your head" is to call any one who opposes you're views "racist." Its wearing thin and its getting old.

Try coming up with some points of discussion, as to why mass immigration is such a good thing, instead of just following the easy "You're racist" routine. It's complete and utter bull shit.

What I'm discussing is in no way propoganda or conspiracy. It's fact and its really happening. Try doing some research on the facts before commenting.

Oh wait, you don't need facts. We're racist, right?


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Bubbles85]
    #22727584 - 01/02/16 11:17 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

I did provide the point earlier though that your argument only met the requirements for #3 genocide when viewing it from the stance that multiculturalism or plurality are bad things and that other race-types not meeting your personal criteria be viewed in a negative light. Which you may or may not agree but it aptly should display the qualifiers your argument presents. (qualifiers meaning opninion and bias you've accepted as fact personally that other's do not)


Wait a second....is a different flavor of hostileuniverse or is there just that many of these guys online?


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22727591 - 01/02/16 11:18 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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of course the Muslims populations really don't give a shit and have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill.





this is why your stance is racist.




Stating a statistic fact is "racist"? 

Let me ask you, when a Muslim family has 8-12 children in the EU, who pays for it?  It's certainly not the parents, nobody could afford it.  What's racist about that fact?


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22727601 - 01/02/16 11:20 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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qman, If I cared enough I'd dig through and find a quote here in another thread 'cause I know you've said the same about latino immigrants and black people. it's just a weird running theme in your opinions about non-white american cultures being less-than leeches on society. and you wonder why your arguments are called racist. :shrug:




Illegals in the US and Muslims in the EU are leeches, that's a statistical fact. :shrug:

I'm sorry that telling the truth is so disturbing, it's nothing to get upset about, it's called reality.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman] * 1
    #22727620 - 01/02/16 11:25 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

please present the quantitative date that would make the statement "all eu muslims are intentionally having as many children as possible cause the gov't will foot the bill" a factual statistic instead of your qualitative reasoning as seen through your personal negative lens.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22727629 - 01/02/16 11:28 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

do we need to go over what "reality" is like we went over why common sense isn't common or shared; or can you just go ahead and grasp that idea. It's really ridiculous to wrap up opinions and present your own perception of reality as a factual standard.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22727669 - 01/02/16 11:42 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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please present the quantitative date that would make the statement "all eu muslims are intentionally having as many children as possible cause the gov't will foot the bill" a factual statistic instead of your qualitative reasoning as seen through your personal negative lens.




https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/pew-fertility-rate-for-muslims-and-non-muslims-in-europe/

For a group of people with little skills and education, and the inability to even take care of themselves, they sure have a lot of children.

Birth rates-

Denmark- Muslim 2.7- Non- 1.8
Finland-  3.3 vs 1.8
France-    2.8 vs 1.9
Ireland    3.0 vs 1.9
Norway    3.1 vs 1.8
UK        3.0 vs 1.8

It must be nice having a bunch of children they can't afford and just burdening the native population to support them. :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman] * 1
    #22727697 - 01/02/16 11:49 AM (8 years, 27 days ago)

I wouldn't call on average one more child per family "a lot more", but ok so now let's get to the point where you prove that muslims as a whole are less than in their abilities to take care of themselves?

and remember quantitative data, no qualitative claims


I'm gonna skip waiting on you to answer and point out that you can't. Because that's a bias that you personally project. More qualitative reasoning based on generalizing whole races of people you don't identify with. I don't know what more it'll take for you to understand the racism here


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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
    #22727996 - 01/02/16 12:59 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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qman, If I cared enough I'd dig through and find a quote here in another thread 'cause I know you've said the same about latino immigrants and black people. it's just a weird running theme in your opinions about non-white american cultures being less-than leeches on society. and you wonder why your arguments are called racist. :shrug:





THIS.


haha, airclay. nail on the head.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Bubbles85]
    #22728005 - 01/02/16 01:02 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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That map proves absolutely nothing. All is does is confirm what i had all ready stated, that despite "some" Northern European genomes, French & German etc, that are in fact over 2000 years old, the genetic make up of the native population does indeed go back to the last ice age.

Thanks for posting it tho. It clearly confirms what i had all ready said.

Just because half of the population now in the UK have genetics going back 50 years from modern day immigrants, they think that England has all ways been this way. Wrong.

It also clearly shows that in as little as 50 years immigration has bought the native population down to its lowest numbers for 10,000 years and within this century the native population will in fact be the minority.

Thats 10,000 years of native ancestry wiped out in less than 100 years of modern day third world immigration.







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The majority of native Brits do not have massive genetic origins from out side of the country at all.




so you didnt say this....? no?

and how is the native ancestry wiped out?? You still fail to understand that the Celts were the native ancestry.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman] * 1
    #22728182 - 01/02/16 01:47 PM (8 years, 27 days ago)

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I'm well aware of the low white birth rates in the EU, but this nonsense that Muslims need to "fill the gap" is ridiculous.




I said nothing about having the need to have muslims filling the gap. I said immigration. Why is that ridiculous?

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Why do you think white birth rates are down in the EU?  Because it takes a lot of resources to PROPERLY raise a child today and responsible parents don't want to have children they can NOT AFFORD.




Yes it takes resources to raise a child. do you think its only white people that realise that?
There are plenty of white people that still do not know this most basic thing. The UK is the teenage pregnancy capital of Europe.

It is never just ONE reason why people have or do not have kids. In richer countries there is more access to contraception, women also work more so are having fewer children or having them later due to careers, people in richer countries also might be more educated generally speaking and for this reason SOME people arent having any kids.

In poorer countries, it is still a cultural norm (as it was and still is to an extent in the West) of women being baby makers. Catholic families have many children, why don't you blame the catholics of the world?
In poorer countries, sometimes it is vital to have many children. Some die and there is strength in families.
The occupied Gaza Strip is the one of the fastest growing population in the world.

these are just a handful of reasons on both sides.

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Look at Japan as a perfect example, very low birth rates for decades now and they still have falling wages because of the slack in the labor market, they DON'T need a bunch of unskilled/uneducated Muslims to "fill the gap". :facepalm: They still have too much labor relative to demand, it's the same in the EU, they don't need more people.




Japan is not a perfect example. Its not like they just think "oh it takes alot to raise a child so lets not have kids...". Many young people in Japan are not even having sex, let alone having babies.

About immigration (you are bringing in muslims here), its not just about labour, its also about demand. Some of the shittest jobs in the EU are done by Poles, Romanians, and this is just changing to be increasingly iraqis, afghans, syrians. All these people great demand for services from businesses.

Its sort of relevant but i thought i would share this here..

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/12/31/some-of-syrias-neighbors-see-an-economic-boost-from-refugees
(i realise its not a clear cut case but its attempting to support my case that more people increases demand and that this is good for business)

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Whites in the EU and Japanese in Japan understand that the opportunities are not there today in their economies so having a lot of children doesn't make sense, of course the Muslims populations really don't give a shit and have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill.




The muslim population doesnt give a shit? you realise muslims are from every race, almost half of all countries on earth?

are you going to attempt to back up that statement that they dont give a shit and "have as many children as they can because the government foots the bill"?

time and time again you just show that it is prejudice not reasoned logic and evidence that is the basis of your opinions.

you seem to live in some kind of racist fantasy/dystopia fetish.

ANYWAY, this thread was derailed some time ago.......!

the point is that having babies is NOT a means of genocide. No one is force-sterilising white people so they cant have babies. the worlds people have many mixed genes. What bubbles calls native UK is incorrect. Even Margaret Thatcher had Middle Eastern genes. but even so.. its NOT GENOCIDE!!!!!!

What happened to Rwanda was genocide, what happened in Zimbabwe could be called genocide, what happened in the US against the Natives was genocide, what the Zulu's did was genocide, what happened in Haiti was genocide, the japanese committed genocide against natives of the islands, what happened in australia was genocide, what the turkish did to the armenians was genocide...

does any one need more clarification of how immigrants having babies is NOT GENOCIDE.


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