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Me_Roy's responses seem to have been on point in response to the OP.
this violence is clearly wrong, what happened in Zimbabwe was disgraceful.
Genocide? no. Killing based on race? yup
but not race alone. The position of whites in South Africa didnt really change that much Post-Apartheid. It is still whites that hold alot of wealth. Income inequality between the black and white is still shocking though is changing. Income inequality as a whole is more significant with the majority south africans being very poor, almost half under the poverty line.
whites have 70% of the land, still.
The South African government is fucked up, Zuma should just leave.
There are massive inequalities that remain to today and considering the abuses and inequalities of the past, violence comes about and needs to be tackled. But its not genocide.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
#22710460 - 12/28/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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"white nations' that have caused so much impoverishment and destruction in the world, destabilizing and impoverishing"
Do you ever stop with the "white guilt" nonsense? If it wasn't for "white nations", the shitholes of the world would be even in worst shape, BTW they destabilize themselves all on their own.
"sometimes you need immigrant labour to support the social security system"
More economic nonsense, please explain how unskilled/uneducated labor from Africa and the Middle East who can't even support themselves is going to support the native population? They are massive drains on the social services, they are economic leeches not contributors. 
Let's fact it, many countries in the EU are really screwed with these high Muslim populations, they should be deported before something worse happens. White Europeans are very nice and civilized until they are pushed into a corner, they will not lose a race or ethnic war.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
#22710634 - 12/28/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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do YOU ever stop with the white guilt nonsense? There is a difference between understanding WHAT has contributed to causing such global discrepencies and saying that white people are to blame and should fix those problems.
I used the terminology that Bubbles was using in saying "white", you could also say rich nations. Are you going to say i have..rich guilt?
Rich, developed, whatever - these countries have caused alot of problems. The global economy is one that primarily serves richer countries and puts poorer countries at a disadvantage. This has been going on for centuries. You may want to obsess over race but it is rather an issue of tackling global inequalities. I do not feel guilty for white people's actions, it is not me or my family. I simply stand with people of the world.
Yes what I said about immigrants is right.
you just reveal your deep-seated prejudices and talk in terms of black and white or civilised and primative. this is just so simplistic, harks back to a deluded colonial era, and is just plain stupid. what do i call your prejudice? Polish prejudice? No, thats simplistic and stupid.
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The 6.6 million people living in Germany with foreign passports paid $4,127 more in taxes and social security on average than they took in social benefits in 2012–generating a surplus of 22 billion euros that year
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Part of Germany’s rationale for allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants through the doors lies in demographics. Germany has one of the world’s most rapidly aging and shrinking populations. With one of the world’s lowest birthrates, the country relies on immigration to plug a growing workforce hole. According to one expert quoted in Deutsche Welle last year, the German economy needs to attract 1.5 million skilled migrants to stabilize the state pension system as more Germans retire. An influx of young migrants could improve the country’s dependency ratio, a measure of those over 65 compared to those of general working age between 15 and 64. According to current official estimates, every third German could be over 65 by 2060, leaving two workers to support each retiree. from here
this thread is supposed to be about genocide, bubbles has derailed it like a boss.
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White Europeans are very nice and civilized until they are pushed into a corner, they will not lose a race or ethnic war.
LOL what?
i imagine you frothing at the mouth sometimes
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
#22710700 - 12/28/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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The report in the article is based on a study that is based on a theory based on "using generational accounting instruments" or pulling crap out of their asses. http://www.zew.de/en/news/2817/the-fiscal-effects-of-foreigners-and-immigration-in-germany Are you always this gullible?
Also, the rational for bringing in a bunch of unskilled/uneducated foreigners in 2015 is to support potential retires in 2060!!! You should be embarrassed to post such dribble. Anyone will even basic economic commonsense knows this wouldn't ever work, it's nothing more than pie in the liberal sky.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
#22710707 - 12/28/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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this thread is supposed to be about genocide...
Genocide has many different interpretations. Often those that like to push guilt use a more broad one, like the first sentence in the wikipedia,
"Genocide is the intent to systematically eliminate a racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national group."
Of course with this definition, even the elimination of apartheid itself was a genocide...
What I take from this is to be skeptical when people use trigger words as microaggressions in a self serving manor to support their individual bias.
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yeees... and this isnt happening in Europe. no racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national groups are being systematically eliminated.
talking about genocide like this is relevant to ethnic cleaning in Palestine but not in Europe
Genocide is kind of a big deal, don't undervalue its meaning by this weak interpretation being applied to Europe.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote]
#22710754 - 12/28/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Europe? This thread is about South Africa... Take your Euro-centrism elsewhere.
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this thread WAS about South Africa, i have made comments responding to the issue of South Africa.
I suggest you read Bubbles's post to understand why we are talking about Europe. My point is that Europe is irrelevant to this.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote] 1
#22711506 - 12/29/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I may have widened the spectrum into the rest of the world but my point remains valid.
Sadly it seems that you are the one who is misinformed and i would expect no less from a brain washed puppet of the political establishment.
Genocide, as stated above, has many interpretations.
The United Nations Genocide Convention legally defines genocide as the following, falling into 5 sub categories as follows:
(1) Killing members of the group (2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
In our case section 3 is the one that would apply, “diversity or multiculturalism” that will leave native Europeans a minority within there home lands within this century is violating section C, therefore “diversity or multiculturalism” and forced assimilation by law is genocide.
This in no different to what we see happening in Tibet, with the forced assimilation being carried out by Han-Chinese immigration, with out vote for or against the policies in place allowing it to happen.
This is being done intentionally, leading to fewer and fewer Tibetans being born, making the Han Chinese population the overall uncontested majority in that area. That means it is a calculated plan to bring about the end of the Tibetan population which is genocide and that is exactly what is happening in Europe with mass third world immigration here. The same is true for the United States aswell.
Yet dare to speak out and oppose this mass migration of mainly unskilled, uneducated blood sucking leaches from the third world and you are labeled a racist just has as you have proven.
I said absolutely nothing even remotely racist in any of my posts, yet you jump on the the same old bandwagon and immediately go in that direction to prevent any proper discussion or rational argument being had.
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prove that multiculturalism is actually an example of no. 3 rather than just your personal skew based in race.
and yes you said quite a few racist things in your post.
take this shit to the conspiracy forum being as it's all you own personal racist conspiracy. you have no proof other than how you feel about those of other cultures.
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You bore me dude, your just another politically correct retard.
"How dare you say white or non white, thats racist"
GTFO with your PC bullshit
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Re: Genocide? [Re: airclay]
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airclay said: prove that multiculturalism is actually an example of no. 3 rather than just your personal skew based in race.
and yes you said quite a few racist things in your post.
take this shit to the conspiracy forum being as it's all you own personal racist conspiracy. you have no proof other than how you feel about those of other cultures.
He did prove it, becoming a minority on your own homeland is the destruction of one's culture and country.
That's isn't a conspiracy, that's a fact. The EU has already shown the early stages of this destruction, even the major leaders of the EU publicly admitted that "cultural diversity" is a failed concept.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
#22716483 - 12/30/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 30 days ago) |
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This whole white genocide thing is pretty paranoid and hysterical. It seems to feed on people's sense of alienation for other reasons in their lives. For example the percentage of whites in America maybe be down from 75% to 72% lately but the total number of whites is up 20 million in America. That is, there are more whites in America than ever. I think mostly a certain demographic of white people don't like the idea of plurality, most because, like I say, they are paranoid and alienated for other reasons.
Besides for instance Merkel has said multiculturalism has "utterly failed" in Europe/Germany and there are plans to stem immigration.
What about African genocide? Is Africa even going to make it into the next century?
I'm just saying let's be rational.
If you're basing your life around your race there is something kind of meek about you.
Instead of secretly thinking you are superior, try actually proving it with some kind of accomplishment.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: Tipote] 1
#22716574 - 12/30/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 30 days ago) |
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Tipote said: You are from the UK right? me too. What natives are there in the UK? Most of the UK has origins outside of the UK. This has always been the case.
I always thought the story of how the welsh became welsh was pretty interesting.
After the romans gave up on the isles, the native britons fought each other for control of the joint. Various groups imported Angle and Saxon mercenaries to do some of the fighting for them. The germans decided that they should just group together and take the place for themselves. They drove the native britons into wales and called them welsh which was their word for "foreigner" (oh, the irony!) Fast forward to hastings, and we see similar effects from Williams invasion from Normandy. The "french" invaders (Many Normans were of scandinavian descent, including William) held disdain for the language and culture of the english at that time
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circastes said: This whole white genocide thing is pretty paranoid and hysterical. It seems to feed on people's sense of alienation for other reasons in their lives. For example the percentage of whites in America maybe be down from 75% to 72% lately but the total number of whites is up 20 million in America. That is, there are more whites in America than ever. I think mostly a certain demographic of white people don't like the idea of plurality, most because, like I say, they are paranoid and alienated for other reasons.
Besides for instance Merkel has said multiculturalism has "utterly failed" in Europe/Germany and there are plans to stem immigration.
What about African genocide? Is Africa even going to make it into the next century?
I'm just saying let's be rational.
If you're basing your life around your race there is something kind of meek about you.
Instead of secretly thinking you are superior, try actually proving it with some kind of accomplishment.
"whites in American maybe be down from 75% to 72%" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
"Non-Hispanic white- 63.7%"
"If you basing your life around your race there is something meek about you"
They said "cultural diversity" if a failed concept, not racial diversity, big difference.
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You make it sound like they set up a completely separate state in Wales solely for the native's. Which is BS.
The first hunter gatherers to come to the British Isles, not long after the last ice age were not so ley confined to England, they spread right across the entire kingdom including Wales, long before the Anglo Saxon invasion after the collapse of the Roman Empire.
About 8,000 years before infact.
Whilst it is thought that alot native Brits fled to Wales at the time of the invasion, there foot hold there was all ready long established.
Whilst it is true that some of the native British genetic make up is a direct result of the Anglo Saxon rule, trying to compare events happening today with events that happened over 2000 years ago is rediculous.
The native British still have a majority genetic make up from the first hunter gathers over 10,000 years ago.
The majority of native Brits do not have massive genetic origins from out side of the country at all.
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Bubbles85 said: You make it sound like they set up a completely separate state in Wales solely for the native's. Which is BS.
i certainly didn't mean to imply that
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Whilst it is thought that alot native Brits fled to Wales at the time of the invasion, there foot hold there was all ready long established.
i would not suggest that wales was an empty place devoid of human habitation
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Whilst it is true that some of the native British genetic make up is a direct result of the Anglo Saxon rule, trying to compare events happening today with events that happened over 2000 years ago is rediculous.
is it?
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The native British still have a majority genetic make up from the first hunter gathers over 10,000 years ago.
The majority of native Brits do not have massive genetic origins from out side of the country at all.
in lieu of sources, i'll just have to take your word for that. It seems to me, that with a history that involves more than one invasion from the continent, along with a period of very intense colonialism, that the english would have a reasonably diverse genetic makeup.
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The diversity of the genetic make up in England is now very diverse yes, but that is a direct result of modern day immigration from the third world, starting in the 1960's.
Up until then, despite a percentage of Northern European genomes that date back over 2000 years, German/French etc, the native genetic make up of the indigenous population dates back to the last ice age.
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Re: Genocide? [Re: qman]
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airclay said: prove that multiculturalism is actually an example of no. 3 rather than just your personal skew based in race.
and yes you said quite a few racist things in your post.
take this shit to the conspiracy forum being as it's all you own personal racist conspiracy. you have no proof other than how you feel about those of other cultures.
He did prove it, becoming a minority on your own homeland is the destruction of one's culture and country.
That's isn't a conspiracy, that's a fact. The EU has already shown the early stages of this destruction, even the major leaders of the EU publicly admitted that "cultural diversity" is a failed concept.
Exactly. There have been countless study's carried out, that clearly show that with immigration and immigrant birth rates at there current level, the indigenous populace of the EU are set to become minority groups within this century.
In the UK native Brits are set to be come a minority before 2070.
The current government policies in place that are actively allowing this mass migration, that will ultimately lead to the total demise of the indigenous populace, are a clear breach of sub section 3, of the UN genocide convention.
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ok im not sure quite where to start with all this..
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Whilst it is true that some of the native British genetic make up is a direct result of the Anglo Saxon rule, trying to compare events happening today with events that happened over 2000 years ago is rediculous.
yeh why is it ridiculous? it was demographic change through conquest and by natural means.
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The majority of native Brits do not have massive genetic origins from out side of the country at all.
thats just not true at all bubbles...
New genetic map of Britain shows successive waves of immigration going back 10,000 years
so when you say "native Brits" what do you mean exactly? Are you Celtic?
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The United Nations Genocide Convention legally defines genocide as the following, falling into 5 sub categories as follows:
(1) Killing members of the group (2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
In our case section 3 is the one that would apply, “diversity or multiculturalism” that will leave native Europeans a minority within there home lands within this century is violating section C, therefore “diversity or multiculturalism” and forced assimilation by law is genocide.
right well first of all i would say that percentage changes don't necessarily mean that white people are being wiped out slowly by other groups as you are trying to suggest.
Subcategory 3 does not really apply. people having babies is not an act of genocide.... it seems that subcategory 2 is more applicable because they cause you and qman serious mental harm.
white people tend to have fewer children, or you could equally say that richer families have fewer children (tends to cross over alot). Whether people migrate or not, white people globally will still decrease in percentage terms but it doesnt mean exactly that there are fewer white people! Its just a fact that the Global South have more children than the North. 98% of population growth comes from the developing world.
One of the many reasons I called you racist bubbles is that i imagine you are ok with white immigration but not any other immigration. Although qman thinks this is a myth, it is a fact that "white" countries are having fewer children and immigration fills the gap. Europe has a shrinking population from low births. If you have a problem with that then I suggest you start getting busy!!
The only person i've heard agreeing with you IRL is Nick Griffin and I'm going to pray that you arent THAT deluded... The areas of the country that vote for idiots like BNP or UKIP also happen to be in the areas with fewest immigrants.. which perhaps suggests that they go on more prejudice than actual experience.
The racial mix of countries and the world has ALWAYS been in constant flux for millenia. This is only going to increase globally. Climate change will be a big factor in this. For example - besides the Syrian war causing a refugee crisis (which is more of a genocide than what you are talking about)- the conditions for unrest in Syria in part came from the fact that there was a drought in Syria that lasted for many years before the uprising. This caused food prices and therefore poverty to spike. when people move to other countries and have children, this is not genocide.
Israel is in constant demographic war to maintain a jewish majority. Intermarriage between jews and arabs is not allowed typically, palestinians are having more children and mean that inside Israel, Jews will actually become a minority. "white" jews even force-sterilise Ethiopian Jews. Should we impose racist laws to resist natural demographic changes?
Large parts of spain and france (and many countries) are filled with white British immigrants. It's a global world.
So Bubbles, it looks like you need to start making A LOT of money to support all the kids youre going to have to change this!!
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