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jameslooks
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First harvest!
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My first harvest! About 20g wet. They're a little small, but I didn't fan or mist very much, so I'll support them better for the second flush. The longest one is maybe 3" or so.
This will be my first time doing shrooms so I really don't know what a shroom should look, smell, or taste like. Worth mentioning these shrooms all come from my last cake - I had to throw out the 11 others due to never-identified contam (some cobweb, I think sour rot, and then these big brown patches). Only birthed this one. I'm really paranoid about bacterial infection, but if they look like this and smell lightly like mushrooms (no bad smell), they're okay, right?


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wowimflabbergasted
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Nice. Get those off the perlite...and don't eat the perlite. Its volcanic glass...
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tripdawg420
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nice
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jameslooks
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Thanks guys!!  gonna trip this Thursday I think. I'm ready.
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mushmagic
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Congrats on the first fruits!
You may want to wait till you harvest a few more fruits depending on how intense and or weak you'd like it to be.
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and.i.crawl
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mushmagic said: Congrats on the first fruits!
You may want to wait till you harvest a few more fruits depending on how intense and or weak you'd like it to be.
Can you explain what you mean?
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mushmagic
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2 Gs may or may not be wat youre looking for. Better to start small but also nice to have a little extra to the side if you're not quite where you want to be.
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and.i.crawl
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Gotcha. I thought you were talking about harvesting. Once a mushroom is developed.. if you pick it too early is it weaker than more matured ones? I picked some before the veil tore and was wondering if those are less potent than they could have been if I waited to pick them
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mustangbob3
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it is said that they are most potent just as the veil breaks  here is an interesting fact i learnt the otherday-
J Ethnopharmacol. 1982 May. 5(3). P 287-91.
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Analysis of Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer grown in controlled culture showed that the level of psilocin was generally zero in the first (or sometimes even the second) fruiting of the mushroom from a given culture and that the level reached a maximum by the fourth flush. The level of psilocybin, which was nearly always at least twice the level of psilocin, showed no upward or downward trend as fruiting progressed, but was variable over a factor of four. Samples obtained from outside sources had psilocybin levels varying by over a factor of ten from one collection to the next.
wonder how accurate this is?
i have heard in MS grows that mushrooms from different flushes may come from totally different substrains within the same substrate.
if this is so people who select the first fruit to show for a clone maybe limiting potency potential in favour of speed of fruiting if this is correct.
or it could be showing that the more consumed a substrate become, the more available nutrients are available to produce actives.
this would mean genetic factors may not play a bigger part in potency as once thought and maybe as the substrate is broken down by enzymes over time in later flushes there is more resources for actives 
and if genetics are the most important factor then we should select from later flushes if potency is the goal.
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uncle_rico
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sobering.
Seems Earle Singer (or Science) is no fan of MS for stabilized potency.
hey james l ! nice 1st grow. nice job, MAN.
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Edited by uncle_rico (03/04/15 01:26 AM)
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ya der eh
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Congrats on your first grow! I'd just take those 20 grams wet this weekend. That will give ya a nice trip! I remember my first trip about 30 years ago. Took an 1/8 and went to a house party. Had a blast! Went to the future and found a pic of you this weekend 

Good vibes your way for your first time run!
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mustangbob3
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wowimflabbergasted
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mustangbob3 said:
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i have heard in MS grows that mushrooms from different flushes may come from totally different substrains within the same substrate.
Every mushroom from MS has the possibility of different genetics.
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if this is so people who select the first fruit to show for a clone maybe limiting potency potential in favour of speed of fruiting if this is correct.
Correct.
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or it could be showing that the more consumed a substrate become, the more available nutrients are available to produce actives.
this would mean genetic factors may not play a bigger part in potency as once thought and maybe as the substrate is broken down by enzymes over time in later flushes there is more resources for actives 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15181139#15181139 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4604620#4604620
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and if genetics are the most important factor then we should select from later flushes if potency is the goal.
Debatable. People choose from 1st and 2nd flushes usually because the myc is still pretty vigorous. I haven't seen much of a difference in flushes and potency. I've had 1st flushes and 4th flushes both kick my ass.
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mustangbob3
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yes that was just deduced from that 1 quote and heavily relys on the accuracy on the test to which we are not privvy to the process so we cannot say 
but it raises some interesting questions
thanks for them links, your the man as always 
EDIT: Wow so keeping spawn for extended periods seems to predigest the nutrient ready for fruiting and seems increases potency! and consolidating the bulk sub again in the same way seems to increase potency the same way!
so it seems more towards usage of nutrients over x amount of time that seems to play a big part in raising potency potential! or allows the fruit to produce actives to full potential whichever way
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wowimflabbergasted
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Yeah it would be nice to have a definite answer, but that's what exciting about mycology! Not everything has been explored and/or figured out yet.
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mustangbob3
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thanks again for your time and inspiration
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wowimflabbergasted
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mustangbob3 said: yes that was just deduced from that 1 quote and heavily relys on the accuracy on the test to which we are not privvy to the process so we cannot say 
but it raises some interesting questions
thanks for them links, your the man as always 
EDIT: Wow so keeping spawn for extended periods seems to predigest the nutrient ready for fruiting and seems increases potency! and consolidating the bulk sub again in the same way seems to increase potency the same way!
so it seems more towards usage of nutrients over x amount of time that seems to play a big part in raising potency potential! or allows the fruit to produce actives to full potential whichever way
I wouldn't consolidate your jars as much as your substrates. I don't see a point in consolidating jars.
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mustangbob3
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if it pre-digested the nutrient in the grains that maybe helpful as it is another nutrient source that is directly and readily available...
but imagine how solid the myc will be, would any damage be done breaking it up after its consolidated... would this slow it down or could it just bounce back as mycelium nearly always does.
will it readily convert back to colonisation after consolidation has already happend?
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wowimflabbergasted
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I think the longer they sit the less vigorous the myc becomes. They would be solid for sure...
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mustangbob3
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yeah i thought they might struggle reverting back after consolidated and would make them less vigourous 
they was still great links to read and new to me so for posting them
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wowimflabbergasted
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