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zappaisgod said: Health insurance is not health care.
No, but health insurance means people can finally get health care. Like this guy.
OOOH an anecdote. He had 35 years to save up for an operation. What did he do? Nothing except get on my tit. Quote:
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zappaisgod said: Will you please explain to me why I should have to buy a health insurance policy that covers OB GYN and rehab if I don't think I need it? Or any health insurance at all? Because I had no use for it for 30 years.
That's how insurance is supposed to work. Everyone pools their money together so people that need help get it. You can also get help with male issues that women help pay for.
No that is not how it works. For instance, if you buy a minivan and I buy a 250,000 Ferrari we do not have the same coverage. If you have a history of being a drunken retard you pay more for insurance than I do. If I choose not to get collision and only buy liability insurance my bill is much less. I can also pay extra for full glass coverage. Or not.
See. Choices. I don't have to buy something I don't need or want.
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: OOOH an anecdote. He had 35 years to save up for an operation. What did he do? Nothing except get on my tit.
Do you think he enjoyed living with a bad arm? The operation was too expensive, and now he got it. Another success story.
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zappaisgod said: No that is not how it works. For instance, if you buy a minivan and I buy a 250,000 Ferrari we do not have the same coverage. If you have a history of being a drunken retard you pay more for insurance than I do. If I choose not to get collision and only buy liability insurance my bill is much less. I can also pay extra for full glass coverage. Or not.
See. Choices. I don't have to buy something I don't need or want.
BINGO!!!!! Choices.
You have choices when it comes to what car you buy.
People don't have choices to be born at high risk for certain conditions. I realize you don't feel sorry for such people, because you probably drew a lucky card. I think you should be thankful for your health, and not hateful towards those that aren't as lucky. But this is free country - so you can believe what you like.
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zappaisgod said: OOOH an anecdote. He had 35 years to save up for an operation. What did he do? Nothing except get on my tit.
Do you think he enjoyed living with a bad arm? The operation was too expensive, and now he got it. Another success story.
He had 30 years to save up for that operation. Quote:
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zappaisgod said: No that is not how it works. For instance, if you buy a minivan and I buy a 250,000 Ferrari we do not have the same coverage. If you have a history of being a drunken retard you pay more for insurance than I do. If I choose not to get collision and only buy liability insurance my bill is much less. I can also pay extra for full glass coverage. Or not.
See. Choices. I don't have to buy something I don't need or want.
BINGO!!!!! Choices.
You have choices when it comes to what car you buy.
People don't have choices to be born at high risk for certain conditions. I realize you don't feel sorry for such people, because you probably drew a lucky card. I think you should be thankful for your health, and not hateful towards those that aren't as lucky. But this is free country - so you can believe what you like.
Should I pay for a welfare mom's Ob GYN care? Should I have to pay for your rehab? I don't want to pay for that coverage. I have no use for it
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: zappaisgod]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Do you think he enjoyed living with a bad arm? The operation was too expensive, and now he got it. Another success story.
He had 30 years to save up for that operation.
Obamacare was a much better deal.
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You have choices when it comes to what car you buy.
People don't have choices to be born at high risk for certain conditions. I realize you don't feel sorry for such people, because you probably drew a lucky card. I think you should be thankful for your health, and not hateful towards those that aren't as lucky. But this is free country - so you can believe what you like.
Should I pay for a welfare mom's Ob GYN care? Should I have to pay for your rehab?
Yes, I think you should. 
They'll pay for your cancer treatment, should you ever need it.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Do you think he enjoyed living with a bad arm? The operation was too expensive, and now he got it. Another success story.
He had 30 years to save up for that operation.
Obamacare was a much better deal.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: BINGO!!!!! Choices.
You have choices when it comes to what car you buy.
People don't have choices to be born at high risk for certain conditions. I realize you don't feel sorry for such people, because you probably drew a lucky card. I think you should be thankful for your health, and not hateful towards those that aren't as lucky. But this is free country - so you can believe what you like.
Should I pay for a welfare mom's Ob GYN care? Should I have to pay for your rehab?
Yes, I think you should. 
They'll pay for your cancer treatment, should you ever need it.
They won't pay for it. I paid for it with my unsubsidized premiums. Just more hand out bullshit from you.
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Fal, have you read the wording of the regulations? You are so positive about what it says and does, surely you have read it? You aren't just a faith based poster, are you? If obumble says jump, you say how high.
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Fal, have you read the wording of the regulations? You are so positive about what it says and does, surely you have read it? You aren't just a faith based poster, are you? If obumble says jump, you say how high.
They haven't even finished writing the rules yet, so of course I haven't read them.
Apparently you still don't even know what net neutrality is. I've summarized it above, and the comic summarized it as well. Whatever the final rules say, we know they can't control the content we download nor the speeds we can download them at. Get it???
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Lets just pass a law, no one gets to read it but its the "freedom for everyone" act. Naturally you are in favor of it because you know what freedom is.
We have seen what a monstrosity the patriot act is, that your hero keeps renewing. A good sounding name means nothing. You are a faith based believer and nothing else. The main reason you like the aca is because its touted as "affordable" so you ignore all data showing costs are shooting up. You ignore the broken promise that it would lower people's health costs, not slow slightly the annual increases. You are probably in favor of the tpp and other schemes to give corporate control over everything since they have a nice sounding name.
If they passed a law saying "fal is a nice guy" you would be in favor even after you found out the fine print meant you had to pay $25,000 for the honor every year. The devil is in the details
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Lets just pass a law, no one gets to read it but its the "freedom for everyone" act. Naturally you are in favor of it because you know what freedom is.
No, because everyone has their own definition of "freedom". But there is only one basic definition of 'net neutrality', which I’ve described above. Get it?
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Stonehenge said: We have seen what a monstrosity the patriot act is, that your hero keeps renewing. A good sounding name means nothing.
Obama is definitely not my hero, I don’t like the Patriot Act, and the name comes from Bush.
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Stonehenge said: You are a faith based believer and nothing else.
I know what net neutrality is, you obviously don't.
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Stonehenge said: The main reason you like the aca is because its touted as "affordable" so you ignore all data showing costs are shooting up. You ignore the broken promise that it would lower people's health costs, not slow slightly the annual increases.
That is an outright lie. I’ve posted exactly how much costs have gone up, and I’ve agreed it would have been better if costs had gone down. Obama messed up when he said costs would go down $2,500, when he should have said “from their original projections”.
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Wrong again. I am very much opposed to TPP.
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Stonehenge said: If they passed a law saying "fal is a nice guy" you would be in favor even after you found out the fine print meant you had to pay $25,000 for the honor every year. The devil is in the details
Wrong again, I have no idea what a “fal is a nice guy” law would be, but I know what a Net Neutrality Law is.
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luvdemshrooms said: You don't seem to have much use for facts when you don't care for them.
Show me one post where I don't care for the facts. You have about 4000 posts to choose from. 
I've done it each time. That you either don't remember, or claim not to, is of no interest to me.
Go ahead and provide one link where I didn't care about facts. You and I both know you won't find anything
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'd like to see Government improve the current arrangement, but to me it's still worth the benefits.
And to others, they're not.
But that doesn't matter to an authoritarian like yourself.
Wrong yet again. You should have noticed that I said "to me", and you also should have noticed that I agreed with AlgoRythm.
Your reading comprehension is the worst I've ever seen. I have to correct you on almost every post you make.
  
You attempting to do so does not make it so.
It's pretty obvious when I repost what was actually said in context.
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Net Neutrality is government regulation of the internet.
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: zappaisgod]
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Lol, fal is getting desperate, flailing away at shadows
>No, because everyone has their own definition of "freedom". But there is only one basic definition of 'net neutrality', which I’ve described above. Get it?
Not true at all. There are many possible definitions of net neutrality and they can put anything they like in the law and call it that. If they don't do it immediately they will do it later.
Fal first says:
>That is an outright lie.
But then agrees it was true. Make up your mind already. Did he say costs would go down or not?
>I’ve posted exactly how much costs have gone up, and I’ve agreed it would have been better if costs had gone down. Obama messed up when he said costs would go down $2,500, when he should have said “from their original projections”.
>I know what a Net Neutrality Law is
Do ya now? If so, then write the text of this law since you know it so well?
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: Stonehenge]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: everyone has their own definition of "freedom". But there is only one basic definition of 'net neutrality', which I’ve described above. Get it?
Not true at all. There are many possible definitions of net neutrality and they can put anything they like in the law and call it that. If they don't do it immediately they will do it later.
Then why don't you please provide a link to one of the "other" definitions? You can't, because those "other" definitions only exist in your imagination. But I'll wait to see if you can prove me wrong... 
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Stonehenge said: The main reason you like the aca is because its touted as "affordable" so you ignore all data showing costs are shooting up. You ignore the broken promise that it would lower people's health costs, not slow slightly the annual increases.
That is an outright lie. I’ve posted exactly how much costs have gone up, and I’ve agreed it would have been better if costs had gone down. Obama messed up when he said costs would go down $2,500, when he should have said “from their original projections”.
But then agrees it was true. Make up your mind already. Did he say costs would go down or not?
I already said "Obama messed up when he said costs would go down $2,500, when he should have said 'from their original projections'". You accused me of ignoring that, and I just showed you lied.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I know what a Net Neutrality Law is
Do ya now? If so, then write the text of this law since you know it so well?
Of course I can't know the text of the law, but we KNOW that Big Telecom won't be able to control the content we download nor the speeds we can download it at.
How could it possibly be better to let Big Telecom take that freedom away? That's what they're fighting to do.
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Net Neutrality is government regulation of the internet.
A law that says you can't steal is government regulation of our personal lives. That doesn't make it a bad law.
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So you are saying there is only one definition of "net neutrality" and they couldn't possibly sneak any crap in it? Well then, what is the definition of "down"? I think that word is fairly well defined. He told us health care costs would go down, even gave a figure, and instead it went up. You of course are perfectly happy and seem to think up is the same as down. Then you tell us what he should have said as though he did.
After he has told us lie after lie, only fools continue to believe the next one.
Time to weasel around, change the subject, flog the straw man, anything to avoid the obvious.
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zappaisgod said: Net Neutrality is government regulation of the internet.
A law that says you can't steal is government regulation of our personal lives. That doesn't make it a bad law.
Please tell me what was broke that they had to fix. This is the same entity that couldn't make a website work with a billion dollar budget and more than two years.
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: So you are saying there is only one definition of "net neutrality" and they couldn't possibly sneak any crap in it?
Yes, I am saying there is only one definition of net neutrality, but No, I am not saying they couldn't possibly sneak any crap in it.
However, getting net neutrality is CLEARLY better than letting Big Telecom decide what we can download.
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Stonehenge said: Well then, what is the definition of "down"? I think that word is fairly well defined. He told us health care costs would go down, even gave a figure, and instead it went up. You of course are perfectly happy and seem to think up is the same as down. Then you tell us what he should have said as though he did.
No, I've told you many time (hopefully this is the last) that "Obama messed up when he said costs would go down $2,500, when he should have said 'from their original projections'"
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Stonehenge said: Time to weasel around, change the subject, flog the straw man, anything to avoid the obvious.
I personally don't think you should, but you've done it well so far.
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Re: FCC passes Net Neutrality [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Please tell me what was broke that they had to fix.
I hate to say it zap, but I think you're staring to go senile. Here it is again:
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starfire_xes said: if there was nothing wrong with it, it shouldn't have been 'fixed'
You STILL don't get it. The FCC just ensured ISPs couldn't begin to start blocking content or slowing service down. 
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