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Guardian187
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Bunk shrooms again
#21351654 - 03/02/15 11:40 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm beyond frustrated and would appreciate some ideas as to what's going on.
I previously had a batch of bunk B+ that were from BRF cakes.
I recently had some PESA from CVG tubs that are also shit. 4g and only some body buzz.
The only common thread is they are both from MS syringes (same source) and both batches were dried with a food dehydrator.
The first grow I ever did (GTs) I dried with a fan and descant chamber, and they were fantastic.
I'm at a loss for explanations. Is it really possible that I got shit genetics in a row like this?
Thanks for the help.
Edited by Guardian187 (03/02/15 11:42 AM)
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Heisenburg
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Sounds like crap genes.
BUT... I hate dehydrators. I was not happy with the one I used a long while back because everything that came out was no good. People on here say that it doesn't have an effect but in my experience, the only bunk shrooms I grew were dried in a dehydrator. Seems to be no coincidence. EVERYTHING I have ever grown and fan dried for a week has been 
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Heisenburg said: BUT... I hate dehydrators. I was not happy with the one I used a long while back because everything that came out was no good. People on here say that it doesn't have an effect but in my experience, the only bunk shrooms I grew were dried in a dehydrator. Seems to be no coincidence. EVERYTHING I have ever grown and fan dried for a week has been 
Sounds like coincidence to me.....since there is no evidence of potency being effected by that tiny amount of heat.....but there is tons of evidence to the contrary....
I blame genetics or your tolerance....look into cloning and isolation....
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Guardian187
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Well I do have isolates to test. Just want to figure out if there are other variables before I spend more resources.
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: PussyFart]
#21351740 - 03/02/15 12:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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holy fuck man, you won the bunk genetic lottery twice. I won once, and i hope it never happens again. sorry to hear it man, just keep growing.
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Guardian187
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Tolerance would be due to previous usage not individual? I haven't had anything for 2 weeks.
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Did you eat them on an empty stomach?
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: PussyFart]
#21351767 - 03/02/15 12:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
Sounds like coincidence to me.....since there is no evidence of potency being effected by that tiny amount of heat.....but there is tons of evidence to the contrary....
Mybe that was my problem, the dehydrator I used was too hot to touch while in operation. It was by no means a "tiny" amount of heat.
Good to know.
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: PussyFart]
#21351791 - 03/02/15 12:15 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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bw86 said: holy fuck man, you won the bunk genetic lottery twice. I won once, and i hope it never happens again. sorry to hear it man, just keep growing.
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PussyFart said: Did you eat them on an empty stomach?
Yep. Fasted 12 hours. Made a shroom tea and nothing really picked up well. So after 90 min I tried the lemon tek of 3 more dry grams.
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you take any medications?
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Guardian187
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I experienced minor effects, but nothing like I've experienced off the amount I consumed before.
P.S. No medication
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Well, to be clear, by "tiny" i mean 150-160F......but it is documented that the actives down't break down until far past 300F....and people have boiled them to make tea and cooked them on a 1000F grill and still gotten high.....
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Heisenburg said:
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PussyFart said:
Sounds like coincidence to me.....since there is no evidence of potency being effected by that tiny amount of heat.....but there is tons of evidence to the contrary....
Mybe that was my problem, the dehydrator I used was too hot to touch while in operation. It was by no means a "tiny" amount of heat.
Good to know.
Here we go again...lol.
You don't have to worry about the heat a dehydrator generates. You only need to worry about heat when it's starts pushing 300f...
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: PussyFart]
#21351882 - 03/02/15 12:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: Well, to be clear, by "tiny" i mean 150-160F......but it is documented that the actives down't break down until far past 300F....and people have boiled them to make tea and cooked them on a 1000F grill and still gotten high.....

Posted while I was typing...lol.
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I dehydrate all day long, even over night @ 160F and eat 2 grams and have open eye visuals. I hate to quote RR but he says he's BBQ'd his cubensis and tripped balls off them. I think I agree with him.
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Guardian187
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: Dilated]
#21351958 - 03/02/15 12:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dilated said: I dehydrate all day long, even over night @ 160F and eat 2 grams and have open eye visuals. I hate to quote RR but he says he's BBQ'd his cubensis and tripped balls off them. I think I agree with him.
I'm honestly chalking this up with another shit genetics. I'll try steeping 40g dry and drink it 
There is potency but it is fractional.
More excited to play with my isolates and not roll the die again
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was this dehydrator one with a temperature control or just one of those little round ones without any controls of any kind. ive been told that the cheap ones without a food dehydrator will destroy potency every time. next time try some fresh and then some dried, that will really give you a good comparison, also you really said it, the ones that were fan and desiccant dried were good but the ones that went through the dehydrator were bunk.
furthermore, I don't think it is a matter of the heat breaking down or decomposing the actives but simply allowing them to oxidize into a non active form. but I could be wrong.
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Op, do you have anymore spores left in that syringe? If so grow some spawn and mix it with properly pasteurized hpoo and/or straw and tell me if the results are any better.
Edited by insanemike (03/02/15 01:22 PM)
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: Dilated]
#21352247 - 03/02/15 02:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dilated said: I dehydrate all day long, even over night @ 160F and eat 2 grams and have open eye visuals. I hate to quote RR but he says he's BBQ'd his cubensis and tripped balls off them. I think I agree with him.
That the temp setting I use as well. And it works excellent!
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Sadly no more from that syringe 
I have isolates just not MS. And I have a quality Nesco dehydrator set at 160F for drying.
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It's impossible to narrow down all these variables considering I'm working with MS versus isolates.
The first grow I fan dried that were good was a completely different "strain" and syringe. It could be the dehydrator (don't know how), but I do think more likely I just got shit genetics twice in a row.
I'll need to try some fresh mushies next time and see how they are, then dry and see how they are. Obviously, if I'm working with isolates this will be the superior strategy no matter what.
So I'm putting all my energy there! Tired of not knowing
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I guess it happens but it's surprising from MS to get a whole batch flop depends I guess
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Want to take the dehydrator out of the question...just try them when there fresh then like at least 25g fresh.
I make tea so it is no different then dry except...it is much better.
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Guardian187
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: Val]
#21352804 - 03/02/15 04:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Val said: Want to take the dehydrator out of the question...just try them when there fresh then like at least 25g fresh.
I make tea so it is no different then dry except...it is much better. 
Yeah I'll do this for the next batch. I have P. Galindoi about to go into fruiting (I hear they are stronger fruits than cubes). But I'll try out a fresh tea for my next one!
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Quote:
Heisenburg said: Sounds like crap genes.
BUT... I hate dehydrators. I was not happy with the one I used a long while back because everything that came out was no good. People on here say that it doesn't have an effect but in my experience, the only bunk shrooms I grew were dried in a dehydrator. Seems to be no coincidence. EVERYTHING I have ever grown and fan dried for a week has been 
-my 2 cents
I bet you didn't get them completely dried. If you dry them at a high enough temperature the outside will dry much faster than the inside and they cab look and feel dry (if you don't try crumbling them) even when they're not. Always try to crumble one of the large them into powder, IMO simply trying to bend them isn't a sufficient way of checking them.
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Try air drying next time or doing them fresh... I've never put cubes into a food dehydrator, however I have put stones in there and they had no effect.
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: maui]
#21356222 - 03/03/15 12:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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 cubes love the dehydrator.
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use a food dehydrator from wally world..
Still can trip off 2gs
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i should compare dehydrated vs air dried fruits next time.
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Re: Bunk shrooms again [Re: maui]
#21356482 - 03/03/15 01:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have a quality dehydrator. I honestly see no explanation but shit genetics twice. I'll try eating some fresh fruits and then dehydrate and try those after a week or two, accounting for tolerance.
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