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Castle
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Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me?
#21348462 - 03/01/15 02:26 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Last night I tried quidding Salvia for the first time. I used six fresh leaves for a combined weight of 4.3 grams. I believe Erowid lists a low dose of fresh Salvia at 10 grams, but I didn't want to harvest any more from my new plant. After chewing the leaves and holding the juice in my mouth for 20 minutes, I laid in the dark and listened to psychedelic music. I experienced very, very faint visuals (less intense than a cannabis high) and some full-body tingling. At one point I blacked out and when I awoke I was having strange cognitive distortions and delusions about what was going on. It wasn't extremely intense though, more like a half-awake dream-like state. I'm still not completely convinced the Salvia was actually working, though it seems likely that it was. Does this sound like the level of experience I should have had from only 4.3 grams? Also, has anyone had extremely intense experiences from quidding or from smoking the dried leaf (not the extract)? My goal is to achieve intense psychedelic trips (preferably level 5 breakthrough experiences) from the plant that I am growing, not from any purchased extract.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: Castle]
#21348487 - 03/01/15 02:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had strong experiences from smoking normal dried leaf. I've never done quid before, but the secret to smoking normal dried leaf it to keep smoking each hit in succession until you reach desired effects.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: Achillita]
#21348513 - 03/01/15 02:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's good to hear. How much did you smoke (in hits/bowls/grams) and what were your experiences? Did you lay in the dark or move around a bit?
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: Castle]
#21348556 - 03/01/15 02:50 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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1-2 hits will usually give me a slight trip in the dark. But 1-2 packed bowls will give me a quite reality bending strong trip.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: Achillita]
#21348570 - 03/01/15 02:54 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's definitely encouraging. I'll try harvesting leaves for smoking after letting my plant grow some more.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: Castle]
#21350224 - 03/01/15 10:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Salvia has tremendous reverse tolerance in my experiences with it i smoked bowls of it, i quidded it, nothing happened. then after using an extract i could get high smoking 1 or 2 bowls of it and a small amount quidded gave me a very interesting trip.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: leery11]
#21350510 - 03/02/15 01:06 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah salvia has quite a reverse tolerance.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: Achillita]
#21352379 - 03/02/15 02:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haven't read the OP or replies but for me a quided salvia dose of 7grams dried leaf is what you need to experience psychedelic effects. It will not be as intense as smoked for the first little while then will build up, after about the 5th time you should be entering into the salviascape pretty easily but unless your prepared it'll be very disconcerting
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: newageshaman]
#21353039 - 03/02/15 06:03 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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newageshaman said: Haven't read the OP or replies but for me a quided salvia dose of 7grams dried leaf is what you need to experience psychedelic effects. It will not be as intense as smoked for the first little while then will build up, after about the 5th time you should be entering into the salviascape pretty easily but unless your prepared it'll be very disconcerting
When you say fifth time, what is the max amount of time, that you would wait between quiding session? A day? days? a week?
jw, but if you have the supply OP, as everyone has said, start chewwing it daily, and you will get there.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: bigbitch]
#21353070 - 03/02/15 06:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesn't really matter time between quids, I went through a stage where I quided mearly every night before bed and once it starts to really work it's magic you know. Also I'd suggest quiding for half hour intervals spitting out then continuing with the same quid if you want to go deeper, make sure to mash and grind the material in your gums and under tongue for max absorption of salvinorin
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: newageshaman]
#21353113 - 03/02/15 06:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmm okay. So just because I've done salvia some years ago, I could still have some reverse tolerance built up? I just figured it would go away at some point, and be more effective, the closer the sessions were together.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: newageshaman]
#21353261 - 03/02/15 06:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had some very intense experiences quidding Salvia, and my best advice is just KEEP chewing until you can't chew no more. Haha seriously, I don't even weigh my doses, I just quid as many leaves as I can fit into my mouth for about 10 minutes, spit it out and immediately start another quid. Eventually I can no longer move around and then I enter the spirit realm
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: Castle]
#21353345 - 03/02/15 07:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Castle said: Last night I tried quidding Salvia for the first time. I used six fresh leaves for a combined weight of 4.3 grams. I believe Erowid lists a low dose of fresh Salvia at 10 grams, but I didn't want to harvest any more from my new plant. After chewing the leaves and holding the juice in my mouth for 20 minutes, I laid in the dark and listened to psychedelic music. I experienced very, very faint visuals (less intense than a cannabis high) and some full-body tingling. At one point I blacked out and when I awoke I was having strange cognitive distortions and delusions about what was going on. It wasn't extremely intense though, more like a half-awake dream-like state. I'm still not completely convinced the Salvia was actually working, though it seems likely that it was. Does this sound like the level of experience I should have had from only 4.3 grams? Also, has anyone had extremely intense experiences from quidding or from smoking the dried leaf (not the extract)? My goal is to achieve intense psychedelic trips (preferably level 5 breakthrough experiences) from the plant that I am growing, not from any purchased extract.
You take a dose that's way under the "low-dose" range and you come on here asking if you should have felt it more than you did?
Where is the logic in that?
Sounds more like you were just bored and wanted to tell some strangers you took some salvia.
And you say you didn't want to harvest more off your plant..well good job...you now wasted the 4 grams rather than harvesting 6 more grams and actually having a worthwhile experience.
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Re: Should quidding 4.3 grams fresh Salvia have had a greater effect on me? [Re: Castle]
#21353427 - 03/02/15 07:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Next time you could try brushing your gums and cheeks well first then use lots of mint alcohol mouthwash and within 5 minutes ball up the quid and rub it along the gums and inner cheek with force, as Salvinorin-A a crystalline waxy solid.
Wonder if a drip of alcohol would boost absorption...
But yea it sounds like an active one. Good growing.
BTW dry leaf can be intense. I used a dry bong taking multiple rips but holding each in for 20 seconds while I packed the next.
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