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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: Psilicon]
#21354182 - 03/02/15 10:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm happy with the way blocks produce, their performance, and everything else about them.
There's nothing simpler in the world than prepping straight grain and spooning it into a #5 tupperware, pc'ing, inoculating, then popping it out and fruiting. If you don't use verm even the harvesting is simple. Just cut the fuckers off and dehydrate. You can eat any grain stuck to the bottom. I'm not looking to sell or win any awards with my biological output vs substrate weight and I'm perfectly content with my shitty performance. It seems fine by my standards, which apparently are pretty low. And, I'm fine with that. And, the contamination rates are to die for. Like 0 contamination. And, more than enough mushrooms to last me for as long as I want. Or, just shell out another 15 bucks and have another year's worth of mushrooms. I don't pop them like skittles every day or every weekend.
This should be the tek you tell every noob about. It's much simpler than PF. Pretty much foolproof. Even I can do it. And, I can't do shit right...
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21354215 - 03/02/15 10:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: Thanks for all the replies, I'm hypothetically talking about one made of straight grain.
Thinking of doing it in the future.
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SoupSandwich said: I'm happy with the way blocks produce, their performance, and everything else about them. ...
This should be the tek you tell every noob about. It's much simpler than PF. Pretty much foolproof. Even I can do it. And, I can't do shit right...
I know it's been a long day, but not that long.
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: Psilicon] 1
#21354289 - 03/02/15 10:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Didn't say I haven't done it in the past.
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21354558 - 03/02/15 11:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: I'm happy with the way blocks produce, their performance, and everything else about them.
There's nothing simpler in the world than prepping straight grain and spooning it into a #5 tupperware, pc'ing, inoculating, then popping it out and fruiting. If you don't use verm even the harvesting is simple. Just cut the fuckers off and dehydrate. You can eat any grain stuck to the bottom. I'm not looking to sell or win any awards with my biological output vs substrate weight and I'm perfectly content with my shitty performance. It seems fine by my standards, which apparently are pretty low. And, I'm fine with that. And, the contamination rates are to die for. Like 0 contamination. And, more than enough mushrooms to last me for as long as I want. Or, just shell out another 15 bucks and have another year's worth of mushrooms. I don't pop them like skittles every day or every weekend.
This should be the tek you tell every noob about. It's much simpler than PF. Pretty much foolproof. Even I can do it. And, I can't do shit right...
why would we tell noobs about a lack luster "tek" most people don't carry the attitude of"good enough" they want good results as this can become alot of work and people want results to show for the work they put into it, if your happy with a few fruits that's great but i for sure am not gonna tell people to start fruiting strait grain and eating leftovers, got any pics of your results?
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: cronicr]
#21354608 - 03/03/15 12:07 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tell noobs to fruit the easiest tek with the highest rate of success. No, I don't have any pictures, and wouldn't post them if I did.
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21354616 - 03/03/15 12:11 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: Tell noobs to fruit the easiest tek with the highest rate if success.
i do, but i don't base that off soupsandwhich's experience
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: cronicr]
#21354631 - 03/03/15 12:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's definitely an easier technique to do, and it seems much less prone to contamination or stalling out than PF, don't you agree?
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21354634 - 03/03/15 12:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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no i don't i don't base my advise on ease and contams, i would say cakes are easier and anything is just as contam prone as anything else that's up to your technique but to each his own
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: cronicr]
#21354639 - 03/03/15 12:25 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ease and contams should be at the top of the list when getting someone introduced to growing, I would think. But, as you say, to each their own.
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21354647 - 03/03/15 12:29 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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what so easy about fruiting strait grains though? i have left grain jars for months and never seen a single knot, pf jars will easily pin if left too long...so i don't get what makes ya think that's easier or more contam proof, if you can explain that part to me i'd be glad to hear ya out because as far as i am concerned i would say cakes are both from a starters stand point
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: cronicr]
#21354651 - 03/03/15 12:31 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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and just to get back on topic a block of grain would take less then a couple of hours to hydrate
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: cronicr]
#21354684 - 03/03/15 12:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The prep is ridiculously easy, no grinding, no measuring, just soak and simmer. That's it. Spoon the results into any shaped tupperware and pc. Do everything else the exact same. The grain is loose so you'll have no problems with too tightly packed jars stalling out. Without any of the nutritional 'supplements' you have less chances of contamination. (I still don't get how people spawn colonized grain to a heap of nutrient rich horse poop and then don't get contamination every time. Even with casing, seems like there's bound to be more contamination. Certainly more than with this method.)
It's just a very, very simple and straight forward way of doing things. Fewer steps, so fewer places for boneheads like me to mess up. Less work and less chances of any sort of problems, contamination included.
With so few steps you can really 'hunker down' and master the basics. Get your sterile technique down pat. Start seeing what is too moist and what is not moist enough. Learn how to nurse your project between flushes. Etc.
Once you're completely at ease with that, you can move up, piece by piece. Add some coffee, see what happens. Add some this, add some that. Try casing. Then you'll know the culprit if things start heading South for you. I'm happy with it though.
As I said, I'm not trying to win any competitions or wow the crowd with monster porn pics. As easy as it is, you can just do it more often and make up for any lackluster flushes.
I don't know why I'm going on and on about it, it's just something I've found that's easy, low investment of time and money and works for me... everyone has their own preference, some like taking a slightly higher risk for a bigger reward. To each their own, as you said originally. All this talk is making me wanna grow again, maybe I'll post some pictures after all. 
Thanks for bringing us back on topic.
Edited by SoupSandwich (03/03/15 01:10 AM)
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21355043 - 03/03/15 05:54 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: The prep is ridiculously easy, no grinding, no measuring, just soak and simmer. That's it. Spoon the results into any shaped tupperware and pc. Do everything else the exact same. The grain is loose so you'll have no problems with too tightly packed jars stalling out. Without any of the nutritional 'supplements' you have less chances of contamination. (I still don't get how people spawn colonized grain to a heap of nutrient rich horse poop and then don't get contamination every time. Even with casing, seems like there's bound to be more contamination. Certainly more than with this method.)
I don't agree that a twelve-hour soak is less effort than five seconds with a coffee grinder. And like cron has said a few times, whole grain is no more or less contam prone than cakes.
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: Psilicon]
#21355091 - 03/03/15 06:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is a reason people spawn grain to bulk. Because trying to get enough water to the culture with straight grains is a lot of work. Even the cased grain teks that are popular rely on a very small substrate that is easy to supply water to via bottom watering. A large block of grain runs many risks and will never be able to compete in terms of reasonable BE given the materials used.
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21355145 - 03/03/15 06:48 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's a straight grain cake fruiting. I dunked between flushes and turned it over to try to get water in it. Yes I got some halfway decent fruits from it - but I took the other cake the same size and made 4 bulk cakes out of it and got WAY more for almost no effort. I couldn't get more than 2 flushes before contams set in (slimy bacteria from being wet all the time) and my grains dried up on the part that wasn't in the water.

Not much you CAN do to a straight grain cake to get more out of it. Like everyone else is saying, they just dry out.
Way better to take Cronicr's advice and look at Violet's tek - cased straight grains work great because they don't dry out. Birthing a straight grain cake will never give you the results you can get with V-tek.
Here's some whole brown rice cased straight grains fruiting:

So I guess to try to answer your question specifically:
Q: What can be done to nurse a straight grain cake through it's flushes and get better results? (I know you said you don't care about better results...but why ask about nursing a cake through its flushes if you don't want to get better results That is whack mang.)
A: Don't birth it, case it in whatever container you colonized it in and fruit it in that. You can bottom water it between flushes and it's a proven technique with great results. And you'll get more shrooms out of the same amount of sub.
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: urthtown]
#21355921 - 03/03/15 11:26 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You may want to read *this part first?
van der griegen, a 12 hour soak is less work than grinding, measuring and mixing large amounts. Straight, whole grain might not be more or less contam prone, but with less steps you can see what you're doing wrong, with less nutritious sub, you can see where there'd be less contamination risk. Right? But whatever, I'm not trying to convert you to the cause or anything.
pastywhyte, getting enough water might be more work, true, but you can bottom water it like anything else. Right? Doesn't seem too hard to turn on and off a humidifier. And the simplicity, as I've said, means you can fine tune whatever problems you have (for instance the time spent resting between flushes) and you have less steps. Less steps = less places to mess up. For me. Again, I'm not trying to win any awards or 'convert' anyone.
urthtown, you're just adding an extra step, I go straight to bulk cakes. Unless I read your post wrong. Always a chance of that. Also...
I didn't say I didn't care about better results, I said I'm fine with my process, though looking to fine tune it, get better results from it, (not exchange it for another process). For instance I'd like to learn how to take better care of them between flushes. But, again, do whatever you like, I'm not trying to get you to stop what you're doing and start doing things my way. At all.
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* By the way, I've tried some of the things you guys are suggesting, spawning to bulk, casing, etc. I've done the breaking up and spawning to more and more jars, then traying and casing.
This is the technique that works best for me, right now, because it takes very little prep work...which seems to be where most people fuck it up. Colonization doesn't take any work. And less work afterwards, which is also where people fuck up.
Smaller and less fruits, yes, but I'm not willing to step away from this simple 'tek' just yet and risk higher contamination rates, having to micromanage a casing, etc simply to get TONS more fruits, which I don't even need. I'm willing to try out this... way of doing things, again, maximize it, and see where it goes. 
Still think this is the simplest tek. And noobs should try it first. But, whatever, no skin off my ass if they don't. No skin off my ass if you don't.
There's a million ways to get the same similar results.
Thanks for all the comments, gotta run, good conversation. 
Sorry for any typos, got shit to do this morning.
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21355957 - 03/03/15 11:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup. You read it all wrong. Try again. 
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SoupSandwich said: You may want to read *this part first?
urthtown, you're just adding an extra step, I go straight to bulk cakes. Unless I read your post wrong. Always a chance of that. Also...
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urthtown said: Here's a straight grain cake fruiting.
Not much you CAN do to a straight grain cake to get more out of it. Like everyone else is saying, they just dry out.
Way better to take Cronicr's advice and look at Violet's tek - cased straight grains work great because they don't dry out. Birthing a straight grain cake will never give you the results you can get with V-tek.
Here's some whole brown rice cased straight grains fruiting:
Don't birth it, case it in whatever container you colonized it in and fruit it in that. You can bottom water it between flushes and it's a proven technique with great results. And you'll get more shrooms out of the same amount of sub.
Straight cased grains being the operative and oft repeated term here. You put a casing layer on the grains when they reach 100% and you fruit it. That's it. No bulk. I thought that's what you originally wanted ffs.
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SoupSandwich said: Thanks for all the replies, I'm hypothetically talking about one made of straight grain.
Thinking of doing it in the future. So, thanks for the info.
Large like 4-5 quarts. Maybe a little bigger.
You even said straight grain!
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21355969 - 03/03/15 11:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've read to let BRF cakes rest for 3-5days before dunking....here it seems you guys are saying to dunk right away after the first flush? (not instantly of course but 3-5days rest is not necessary?)
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: urthtown]
#21355970 - 03/03/15 11:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lol also "micromanage a casing"? You just crumble it on top and then put it in the fruiting chamber. Maybe mist it if it's a SGFC. What's to micromanage?
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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: urthtown]
#21356805 - 03/03/15 02:51 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Soup what kind of BE are you getting? Convince me that your method is worth a try and I will try it. Bottom watering grains is extra work and is less effective with larger substrates. But until I see a coherent reason that your method is better with data and pics I will remain skeptical. Thus far most of my straight grain efforts have resulted in less yield and more work.
You want simple? Try muda bottles. Sterilize, inoculate, colonize, remove lid and fruit. Easy and high BE.
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