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What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes?
    #21349900 - 03/01/15 09:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Fearing contamination, should we keep them wet and well hydrated?
Let them dry out just a bit? Prolonged dunking for 48 hours?

Mist with 3% h202?

Fan more heavily, with fresh air, or leave them 'pent up' in the dark... to rest?

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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21349979 - 03/01/15 09:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Keeping them well hydrated is a good plan.  Be sure supply plenty of fresh air too.  24 hours is a long enough dunk duration.  :super:


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21349988 - 03/01/15 09:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I've tried bottom watering, dunking and heavy misting.  Bottom watering seems to work better with smaller, higher-nutrient substrates.  Dunking seems to work really well for larger substrates, but it's also kind of a pain in the ass in substrates above a certain size.  Misting is kind of meh.  It certainly helps, but it's really tough to mist enough to replace the water lost from an ounce of wet mushrooms (roughly 25mL).


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: Psilicon]
    #21350323 - 03/01/15 11:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

just to clear the air what type of big cake ya talking here? a regular brf cake or like a big bulk cake? i ask because a cake made of bulk and  grain would hydrate a lot faster then a brf recipe


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: cronicr]
    #21351018 - 03/02/15 08:26 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies, I'm hypothetically talking about one made of straight grain.

Thinking of doing it in the future. So, thanks for the info.

Large like 4-5 quarts. Maybe a little bigger.

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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21351185 - 03/02/15 09:35 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

A large straight grain cake like that is likely to perform very poorly. It will likely dry out too fast, not get sterilized in the middle, and, once colonizing, get too hot in the middle.

Most grains perform better when mixed with a bulk substrate.


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #21351228 - 03/02/15 09:47 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The question is...how to nurse cakes, any cakes, between flushes.

Their performance is not the issue, I've seen them perform well enough, and like the
simplicity of it, also, sooo much less contamination, but thanks for your concern. :thumbup:

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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21351251 - 03/02/15 09:54 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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The question is...how to nurse cakes, any cakes, between flushes.




It depends on the cake.


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #21351259 - 03/02/15 09:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So what is your advice, in regard to nursing cakes between flushes? :shrug:

I'm guessing, keep them well hydrated as straight grain may dry out?

And for other cakes, what advice for them?

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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #21351290 - 03/02/15 10:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Almost any substrate will need to be re-hydrated after a flush if it was a good flush and/or has dried out.

Depending on what you are using and how much re-hydration is needed, methods and times will vary.

It can vary between a good misting to a couple hours dunking to several hours dunking. There is no one right answer to cover them all.


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #21351335 - 03/02/15 10:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Another conversation killing post by SpitballJedi.

Is it okay if other people give their opinions? :tongue:

I seem to have been getting good advice before you stopped by.

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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #21351367 - 03/02/15 10:27 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

yes, it's okay for others to give opinions. It's an open forum and I gave mine, you are welcome to take it or leave it. But, my advice isn't much different than what others have given you.

You are killing your own thread with a bad attitude.


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #21351457 - 03/02/15 10:48 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Now that you have me on ignore, I no there's no reason to try and give you advice anymore.


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich] * 2
    #21351474 - 03/02/15 10:53 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Another conversation killing post by SpitballJedi.

Is it okay if other people give their opinions? :tongue:

I seem to have been getting good advice before you stopped by.



And after he stopped by, considering there really is no bad advice in this thread.....just your terrible attitude.

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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #21351510 - 03/02/15 11:04 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Here we go,


Should we keep them wet and well hydrated?
Of course.

Let them dry out just a bit?
No.

Prolonged dunking for 48 hours?
No, no need. 24 hrs is plenty.

Mist with 3% h202?
Never!

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yes, it's okay for others to give opinions. It's an open forum and I gave mine, you are welcome to take it or leave it. But, my advice isn't much different than what others have given you.

You are killing your own thread with a bad attitude.





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Now that you have me on ignore, I no there's no reason to try and give you advice anymore.



^^since you r not seeing it, i will help out^^

Your conduct is all wrong. Try being respectful and you may get some in return. Spitball didn't need to hear a smart mouth and nobody wants to read one either.


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: Heisenburg]
    #21351668 - 03/02/15 11:43 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I took you off ignore before seeing this. Yes, I'm a bit cranky today. Sorry.
Just seems like I knew you stop by to question my technique and then shit on it, but maybe I'm just being too sensitive. Got some really bad news today and it's fucking with my head, again, I'm sorry for any bad attitude I'm giving off, won't happen in the future. Okay? Sorry about that. Bad SoupSandwich, BAD!! :nono:

I really just wanted this to be another good thread about people's different techniques between flushes.

Maybe we should just focus on the positive aspects of that?

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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21351737 - 03/02/15 12:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21351755 - 03/02/15 12:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks. :raisemyglass:

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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21352033 - 03/02/15 01:17 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanks for all the replies, I'm hypothetically talking about one made of straight grain.

Thinking of doing it in the future. So, thanks for the info.

Large like 4-5 quarts. Maybe a little bigger.



grains should be cased at the very least, they have a hard time with pinning on a highly nutritous substrate, i would look into violets threads for good info on growing with grains


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Re: What's the best way to nurse large cakes between flushes? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21352940 - 03/02/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I really just wanted this to be another good thread about people's different techniques between flushes.

Maybe we should just focus on the positive aspects of that?




This is somewhat hard to do, since straight grain trays tend to perform very poorly when not bottom watered, and even then not as well as a bulk substrate.  I don't like to call these cakes, because making a cake requires flour.  Typically we call these trays when they're in trays, or blocks when they're removed from trays.


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